Wilder annoyed at transfer-listed players who won’t leave

[A Storm of Blades]

Ill never get a dream job of being a footballer but your talking as if its hundreds of pounds when reality they will still be earning thousands. You can still live a comfy life on a couple of grand a week and in the last few years including bonuses theyll have earnt over 500k each comfy. My heart bleeds.

But it’s all relative though isn’t it? Someone in a third world country could look at your job and wage and consider it a dream job. Your wealth compared to others lesser off than you is completely irrelevant to whether or not YOU could afford to have your wages slashed by 80%

 

[BladeTillIDie]

I would if I was good enough!
If "too long" is before the end of the contract, then that's the club's fault and the players shouldn't be disadvantaged because of it.

I meant the 5 players go and play. A footballing career is short enjoy it.

But it’s all relative though isn’t it? Someone in a third world country could look at your job and wage and consider it a dream job. Your wealth compared to others lesser off than you is completely irrelevant to whether or not YOU could afford to have your wages slashed by 80%

80%? I reckon most of the 5 would still get a decent wage in league 1 because they would be top teams sniffing like Rotherham, Pboro and Sunderland etc.

 

[Th!stledo]

I meant the 5 players go and play. A footballing career is short enjoy it.

80%? I reckon most of the 5 would still get a decent wage in league 1 because they would be top teams sniffing like Rotherham, Pboro and Sunderland etc.

The plain facts are both club and player have agreed a contract in good faith. The player is still prepared to carry on the duties he agreed to, but the club feel he is surplus to requirements. The length of the term is integral to the contract and if not honoured, a mutually agreeable settlement should be offered.
Going public to put pressure on the players is so wrong and if the shoe was on the other foot, the club would kick off big time.

 

[LenTednTony]

I haven’t read all of this so excuse me if others have mentioned it but CW is asking players to accept their contracts changing to go elsewhere and play football because they are surplus to requirement and won’t even be fringe players. However, one stalwart player who is likely to become a fringe player asks for his contract to be amended gets the bums rush out the door! Methinks it’s one rule for one and a different rule for another!

 

[Scarebus]

What if the club have lined up the opportunities for players to go out on loan, with subsidised pay from us, so they can earn their contracted wages whilst playing football, but the player is refusing...is wilder still right to air his grievances?

That's kind of what I took from the comments.

 

[essexblade73]

Dont see a problem with what wilder said

 

[Madabouttheblades]

I understand CW's view, but to be honest he has a go at these players more bothered about "prefering to putting money in their back pockets instead of wanting to play football". The key thing Chris is that they have a contract with the club and you signed them to this contract. I think a number of these players et al, Duffy, Clarke etc have had words CW and probably the terms of the players agreements have changed since promotion. Not saying iam correct but there does seem to be an issue here!

 

[Stanthemanfan]

Clarke is a good example, when we signed him he was given a long contract (4 years?)
He then got a rise after his goalscoring exploits
So I don't think somehow he's gonna go just because cw tells him to
Their gonna look after their own and familys interests like most of us would

 

[Th!stledo]

Clarke is a good example, when we signed him he was given a long contract (4 years?)
He then got a rise after his goalscoring exploits
So I don't think somehow he's gonna go just because cw tells him to
Their gonna look after their own and family's interests like most of us would

100%

 

[LoughboroBlade]

To shoot your argument down, it would be the same for Ched that first summer Wilder brought him in. And similarly Wilder's bringing in Washington and Hogan last year certainly kept McGoldrick and Sharp on their toes.

To counter, a reason Washington and Hogan were brought in was entirely due to Evans not exactly keeping the then strikers on their toes. Don’t get me wrong, I am not denying the role of squad members adding pressure on those in the first team. I’m arguing that the likes of Holmes and Evans failed at providing even that basic role.

I think we should just agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Rodders]

I meant the 5 players go and play. A footballing career is short enjoy it.

80%? I reckon most of the 5 would still get a decent wage in league 1 because they would be top teams sniffing like Rotherham, Pboro and Sunderland etc.

I’m not sure their mortgage provider will be pleased they’re getting regular game time when the payments are defaulting.

 

[davidblade]

I think we all would of liked these players to move on and find new clubs , but it is their right to look after their future with out being belittled in public, despite what we all want. Wilder I think has been shooting from the hip as he always does.
Nevertheless he’s still a god

 

[Woodwardfan]

I'll post a p.m. I sent to Hamburg simply because I thought the whole thing had been thrashed to death and I'm reluctant to go on and on these days.

Hamburg suggested that it adds to the debate. I hope so:

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?conversations/wilder-expresses-his-at-players-who-wont-leave.15201/reply&quote=42907

 

[Silent Blade]

I'll post a p.m. I sent to Hamburg simply because I thought the whole thing had been thrashed to death and I'm reluctant to go on and on these days.

Hamburg suggested that it adds to the debate. I hope so:

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?conversations/wilder-expresses-his-at-players-who-wont-leave.15201/reply&quote=42907

 

[BladeTillIDie]

I’m not sure their mortgage provider will be pleased they’re getting regular game time when the payments are defaulting.

Lifes shit boo woo. The thing is United will have offered to pay a large chunk of there wages if they went out on loan but they're in no hurry it seems.

Coutts and Ched dropped into the lower leagues fine because they want to play. They will still be on a similar wage to the SUFC one so i dont get this "big wage drop" bollocks because they've have moved on fine...

 

[YES Blade]

Lifes shit boo woo. The thing is United will have offered to pay a large chunk of there wages if they went out on loan but they're in no hurry it seems.

Coutts and Ched dropped into the lower leagues fine because they want to play. They will still be on a similar wage to the SUFC one so i dont get this "big wage drop" bollocks because they've have moved on fine...

Coutts was released so didn’t have a choice, unless you know something I don’t and he rejected an offer of a new contract?

 

[Woodwardfan]

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Intellectual contribution to the thread Silent Blade . Adds real value.

 

[YES Blade]

Clarke is a good example, when we signed him he was given a long contract (4 years?)
He then got a rise after his goalscoring exploits
So I don't think somehow he's gonna go just because cw tells him to
Their gonna look after their own and familys interests like most of us would

Clarke signed for three years, then signed a new deal in December 2017 giving him an extra year, taking him to the end of this current season.

I thought it was very odd at the time as although Clarke had a very good start to that season it was always unlikely he was going to sustain that form to the age of 34.

 

[AWetFlannel]

If I were a professional footballer, I'd want to play as much football as I could before retirement.

People talk about players 'doing what's best for their families' as if they are deciding whether or not to give their kids 2 or 3 meals a day, when in reality it's whether they drive a 50k or 100k car - if that matters more than playing the beautiful game professionally, their talent is wasted on them.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Reading this thread, i start to wind the clock forward with Morrison. Particularly thinking about Caruthers, who came with a Jack-the-lad reputation, and assuming he's one of a couple Wilder is on about now, what contract could Morrison have in a year"s time? How much will we have to pay him to keep him and how long a contract?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Further thought, could United care two hoots about the salaries of a couple of players who hang around to milk their contracts?

I think Heneghan, Wright and Clark will get sorted, just a hunch.

So Carruthers' and Holmes' wages over next 12 months will be less than £1m.
With our new found income, it's hardly nothing but it's an irritant at the most.

Perhaps Wilder is thinking more of them than the club? Just another angle.

He can easily keep them out of group activities and can tell them to stay at home if he wants. They can't play in the P.L. If not named in the squad.

I'm confident the club will negotiate generously to help it all along, but it's a two-way street and not just the one winner takes all surely.

Holmes is a crock and Carruthers seems to have a low pain threshold and misses plenty of games. It doesn't help.
.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Some people continue to judge this according to whether these players are choosing between riches and poverty. That's not the issue. Obviously they are going to have money enough to live at least comfortably, and yes, be able to feed their kids, but that's simply not how people - and I'm guessing any of us - see things. A footballer's aim is to make it to the top, to have money to live a better than average life, to set his kids up, buy mum and dad a house, and yes, drive a flash car, etc etc. The "I want to play football every week" probably slots into the list of priorities somewhere, but not necessarily right at the top, overriding everything else. For some, maybe it does, for others maybe not.

Also, do people apply this maxim to all the players who sign at clubs as back-up, or as squad players, knowing they are waiting on injuries or mistakes to get their chance at a game? It's a similar situation, the PL is full of players who don't have much chance of a game. Players who are signed by clubs "just in case" or on speculation. Not all of them will go out on loan, are they also to be criticised for taking an option where they're not getting first team football every week?

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Reading this thread, i start to wind the clock forward with Morrison. Particularly thinking about Caruthers, who came with a Jack-the-lad reputation, and assuming he's one of a couple Wilder is on about now, what contract could Morrison have in a year"s time? How much will we have to pay him to keep him and how long a contract?

Wilder likes to take the rejects, failures and troubled players and turn them around. He's good at it, it's worked so far, but he (and we) have to accept that it isn't going to work every time - and not take it personally. Some will be moved on, others will cost the club a bit in wasted wages/transfer fees, but overall this policy undoubtedly saves the club a lot of money.

 

[BladeTillIDie]

Coutts was released so didn’t have a choice, unless you know something I don’t and he rejected an offer of a new contract?

Oh sorry. Could easily waited around for a championship club on more money? Nah he joined a club as soon as he can to play football.

 

[Sean Thornton]

They can go out on loan, play, putting themselves in the shop window if they do well, earning the same basic. They won't - you'd hope - be getting appearance money, goals bonus or whatever if the aren't in the 25.

 

[YES Blade]

Oh sorry. Could easily waited around for a championship club on more money? Nah he joined a club as soon as he can to play football.

So what you're saying is he pretty much took the first offer on the table because he wanted to play football? If he had waited he would've got a deal with a Championship club?

 

[Sean Thornton]

So what you're saying is he pretty much took the first offer on the table because he wanted to play football? If he had waited he would've got a deal with a Championship club?

That's one way of interpreting it.

 

[Davalon]

They're hardly Winston Bogarde are they.

Can see both sides to this one but I'm loathe to be too harsh on the players concerned just by trying to put myself in that position.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Some people continue to judge this according to whether these players are choosing between riches and poverty. That's not the issue. Obviously they are going to have money enough to live at least comfortably, and yes, be able to feed their kids, but that's simply not how people - and I'm guessing any of us - see things. A footballer's aim is to make it to the top, to have money to live a better than average life, to set his kids up, buy mum and dad a house, and yes, drive a flash car, etc etc. The "I want to play football every week" probably slots into the list of priorities somewhere, but not necessarily right at the top, overriding everything else. For some, maybe it does, for others maybe not.

Also, do people apply this maxim to all the players who sign at clubs as back-up, or as squad players, knowing they are waiting on injuries or mistakes to get their chance at a game? It's a similar situation, the PL is full of players who don't have much chance of a game. Players who are signed by clubs "just in case" or on speculation. Not all of them will go out on loan, are they also to be criticised for taking an option where they're not getting first team football every week?

A Nigerian defender called Omeruo has just left Chelsea in a £4m deal after 7 years out on loan and not one minute for Chelsea's first team. At times Chelsea had 49 out on loan!

 

[Hamburg Blade]

A Nigerian defender called Omeruo has just left Chelsea in a £4m deal after 7 years out on loan and not one minute for Chelsea's first team. At times Chelsea had 49 out on loan!

Am I right in thinking there are new rules to prevent this abuse of the loan system? I've no doubt the big clubs will get round them.