Why we should give Chris/Alan a chance

[metalblade]

I have accepted and moved on by not renewing my season ticket.
The thought of slow boring backwards and sideways passing, wrapped up with baffling team selections and substitutions, with someone who never takes any blame but will gladly slap the badge when we win just doesn't appeal to me.
I wouldn't also be 100% sure he will be here next season when they see how much season ticket sales are down.

Same here, non of the family have renewed yet either they are undecided, but leaning towards not bothering as even with an ST they have already given the last few games a miss, long term ST holders who used to go home and away.

 

[Dkc]

Some people are saying "give him until January then sack him if we aren't challenging for promotion".

As I've mentioned before, we aren't getting rid of Wilder next season even if we are mid-table at Christmas. The cost of paying off him and his entire staff and getting a new managerial team in will be prohibitive given his contract expires next summer, when it will cost nothing to get rid.

The only circumstances under which he might be sacked is if we're in a relegation battle, but even then we may stick with him.

A decision will be taken next summer. It will be a tough choice if we have a good season but lose out in the play-offs again.

 

[Pintor75]

This season hasn't finished yet and all we talk about is how long will he last into next season, that's the level of confidence we have in the management team. We have relatively new owners and we're looking to a bright new future, we should be looking towards the next season as if we can't wait for it to start, but we're dreading it, Wilder and team know it's really is their last chance, they're under pressure from the start to deliver or they should be gone, bladey bladeness gone forever,

 

[Aston max]

I'd rather have Stevie Nicks.

Every day and twice on Sunday

 

[Tarqs]

A reason not to make a change is that the owners have already committed to Wilder - he has a contract until Summer 2027. It would cost a fortune in compensation to replace Wilder and his entire team now. Any new manager would want to bring his own coaching team in and his own players. We aren't getting parachute payments any more.

By that token, any club is committed to any manager under contract.

 

[Brian Deane]

I'd rather have Stevie Nicks.

Little Lies or was it a dream ? You may be better going your own way

 

[MadDad38]

Little Lies or was it a dream ? You may be better going your own way

Big Love to you as well mate

 

[Dkc]

By that token, any club is committed to any manager under contract.

Course they aren't, managers under contract are sacked regularly. But it's usually clubs with plenty of dosh that have the highest turnover of managers.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Just seen that Bristol City want Stevie G to take over from Woy as manager.

Sorry but if they can afford him then we should be all over this.

Get Wilder OUT NOW.

I'm assuming this is a sarcastic/pisstake post?

 

[ATL Recs]

There will have been no plan to relieve him of his duties this summer, once it was clear we’d moved clear of relegation. I mean there was even talk of a playoff charge, which given the Selles shitshow he inherited was a decent position. Granted things tailed off.

Plans will have been discussed over the last few weeks and months about the summer, said churn and targets. Ripping up this as a plan because we’ve lost a few dead rubbers and players who’ve probably been told they’ve no future or will be getting sold aren’t busting a gut for the for the cause is bad policy.

I’m on the fence about our prospects next season, but I’d say Wilder deserves a pre season and 10-15 games minimum to show signs of improvement.

And a charge for the play off at Norwich and Southampton who we were 1 point behind in January until we played them now they have a chance of autos
We flirted with the top half of the table that’s all

 

[raul]

And a charge for the play off at Norwich and Southampton who we were 1 point behind in January until we played them now they have a chance of autos
We flirted with the top half of the table that’s all

Were their new managers burdened with other people's players though? Surely not...

 

[Badger Blade]

CW says that he knows what the issues are, who stays, who goes and what needs fixing.

The owners are a bunch of know-nowts who clearly can't recruit a decent manager or follow the usual due diligence when it comes to making an appointment so for better or worse, we've got Wilder for next season unless things go as hideously wrong as they did in August/September.

I think we give him the chance to put things right over the summer. It's a clean-ish slate and is his to shape and sort out. If he messes it up, there's no hiding place and nowhere else to point the finger other than at the bloke in the mirror.

 

[Dkc]

I think we give him the chance to put things right over the summer. It's a clean-ish slate and is his to shape and sort out. If he messes it up, there's no hiding place and nowhere else to point the finger other than at the bloke in the mirror.

Oliver Holt?

 

[Gimli]

Little Lies or was it a dream ? You may be better going your own way

Second Hand News mate…

 

[Flumps]

To be fair he did have to clean up the mess left by Selles this season though.

Next season he won't have that excuse.

It really is shit or bust for him now.

Came here to basically say this. I'm not his harshest critic but it's not unfair to question some of his tactics, subs, decisions and even his gob this season but it's also very fair to at least understand he left after the Wembley fuck up, we appointed Selles (I'm still trying to figure out why) binned him off after a shit show start and asked Wilder to pick up the pieces.

Considering the start to the season we had and for a small period in time we were all questioning whether we were in a relegation battle or not it's also worth noting that (admittedly also small period) we were actually attempting to sneak a play off place. In hindsight it was quite ambitious but to have that topic of discussion when on the same page we were considering relegation is a decent turnaround as far as I'm concerned.

I do think we have an identity crisis on this forum. Everyone seems to understand we're a championship club for the most part but since our seasons in the prem we've got a taste of it and want to be a prem side. There's plenty of us on here that don't miss getting bummed each week but then the same amount of people melting down because we aren't challenging for promotion - which is it? Do you want to be a big fish in this pond or an easy target in the bigger one?

Wilder a good manager, no doubt about that as far as I'm concerned and he seems to do better when he has fuck all to work with. Now he has the chance to prove that, he can scout his own players and build around his system. It's clear the club are finding it difficult to separate from him, he'll be here next season so I'd rather support him now and see how we do next season. Why wouldn't you? Loving or hating him, he's here.

It's clear though he's becoming something of a villain to some rather than leaving as the hero he was and I can't bring myself to make it that deep of a thing. It's hardly like he's ruining the club day by day

 

[Roygbiv]

Course they aren't, managers under contract are sacked regularly. But it's usually clubs with plenty of dosh that have the highest turnover of managers.

EFL managers last 13 months on average and exactly half the clubs have changed manager this season in The Championship. If he's doing poorly, he will get sacked.

 

[Willglynning]

I’d be willing to give him a chance if he even remotely acknowledged that he’s played a role in the negative and passive football that we’ve been playing over the past few months.

That he constantly absolves himself of any responsibility really irritates me. Suggesting that there was no tactical reason that we were completely outdone on Saturday indicates that he has either no understanding of the game, or that his ego has ballooned to unprecedented levels.

Worth noting that Heckingbottom’s Preston have tactically outdone us twice this season despite having a worse squad on paper.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Came here to basically say this. I'm not his harshest critic but it's not unfair to question some of his tactics, subs, decisions and even his gob this season but it's also very fair to at least understand he left after the Wembley fuck up, we appointed Selles (I'm still trying to figure out why) binned him off after a shit show start and asked Wilder to pick up the pieces.

Considering the start to the season we had and for a small period in time we were all questioning whether we were in a relegation battle or not it's also worth noting that (admittedly also small period) we were actually attempting to sneak a play off place. In hindsight it was quite ambitious but to have that topic of discussion when on the same page we were considering relegation is a decent turnaround as far as I'm concerned.

I do think we have an identity crisis on this forum. Everyone seems to understand we're a championship club for the most part but since our seasons in the prem we've got a taste of it and want to be a prem side. There's plenty of us on here that don't miss getting bummed each week but then the same amount of people melting down because we aren't challenging for promotion - which is it? Do you want to be a big fish in this pond or an easy target in the bigger one?

Wilder a good manager, no doubt about that as far as I'm concerned and he seems to do better when he has fuck all to work with. Now he has the chance to prove that, he can scout his own players and build around his system. It's clear the club are finding it difficult to separate from him, he'll be here next season so I'd rather support him now and see how we do next season. Why wouldn't you? Loving or hating him, he's here.

It's clear though he's becoming something of a villain to some rather than leaving as the hero he was and I can't bring myself to make it that deep of a thing. It's hardly like he's ruining the club day by day

To be honest we have been "bummed" by Wrexham, Preston, and Blackburn within the last few weeks. I enjoy at least challenging for promotion, which should be remit for a side like ours. Wilder had plenty of time to get playoffs including a January transfer window to try and turn things around/bring in additional if he felt fit. We are definitely lacking in fitness and have been for a while. Defensively we have been terrible at times and it has proven the difference on many occasion from being 1-0 up last season we would see a game out this time we have lost 31 points them from winning positions under Wilder with Selles leaving mid-September. That sees us 2nd and up automatically with games to spare. 15 of those points have been dropped since the January Transfer window which would put us in the playoffs on 72 points still even getting turned over by Preston and Blackburn at home, we win those 2 we would have been 5th. If he is the manager we expect him to be he should be doing better than bottom 8-10.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I do think we have an identity crisis on this forum. Everyone seems to understand we're a championship club for the most part but since our seasons in the prem we've got a taste of it and want to be a prem side. There's plenty of us on here that don't miss getting bummed each week but then the same amount of people melting down because we aren't challenging for promotion - which is it? Do you want to be a big fish in this pond or an easy target in the bigger one?

Without the odd promotion it’s not really possible to remain a big fish in the Championship, there’ll be a minimum of 3 much bigger ones every season and we’ll fall back to our natural order as a competitor for Preston in the ‘let’s get 60 points’ club.

It’s shit when you’re there, but we need the money so have to take a few bummings.

 

[joe casey]

He’s had 3 promotions in the EFL in total. He also took Oxford out of the Conference. That’s during a 26 year managerial career. He’s certainly no Neil Warnock.

Tbf nobody is close to Warnock (8 promotions) his closest competitor in recent years is Steve Bruce with 4

 

[Balham]

Tbf nobody is close to Warnock (8 promotions) his closest competitor in recent years is Steve Bruce with 4

Warnock's 8 promotions date back nearly 40 years. He's only got three this century and his last one was in 2018.

You've missed Phil Parkinson with 6 and counting. Nigel Adkins has 4 too, for what it's worth. Multiple promotions suggest that a manager finds their level and drops down.

 

[KMC-1889]

I do think we have an identity crisis on this forum.

Most legacy fans (i.e. the ones that haven't jumped in since 2016) expect us to compete in the championship with the other clubs of similar size to us. Every now and again something clicks and we do enough to get over the line and have a season in the prem.

As much as he likes to waffle on about it the last two seasons and the style of football are not 'sheffield united' teams. Fans want to see aggressive, fast paced, direct football. Not sideways/backwards dirge-ball with players being outrun and outfought all over the field.

Buy the numbers absolutely nothing supports the opinion that he is a good manager. He was a fantastic manager back in 2020 and rightly cemented his place in the conversation with Bassett and Warnock but he walked out, failed at Boro, failed at Watford, didn't improve performances when he replaced Heckingbottom, failed twice last season (first of all giving up autos and then bottling the final), he failed to find a job in the summer after rightly losing his job and has led us to our second worse season at this level after the 2010/11 season under Adams.

His cult will be along with a 1001 excuses as to why this season has been so shite but they can't explain away the fact that other managers have managed to get a better results from more limited squads. it bears repeating again and again but the only team that has lost more games than us this season is Wednesday and we've given up 30 points from winning positions.

As a club we need to realise he's not a good manager, so we can start preparing for life after him, which is going to need the whole mates structure removing from the club.

 

[reedy63]

We are in a reght fix, the owners/director no didly squad about football. If we have a bad start to next season, we are in deep shit.
If they sack Chris Wilder, they might as well approach President Trump to take charge.
However, I want Chris Wilder to buy the players He wants to make the players fit to last over 90 minutes, plus. I find it embarrassing that some of our players are knackered
after 70 mins, a lot of poor players. He will get rid of the loan players and go back to their clubs. Chris Wilder says performances will be better 100%.
Of course, he would say that. Let's see what players come in. Apparently, he knows the players he wants, but will they come to Bramall Lane?
In my opinion, Adam Davies, Tangang, Hjelde, Cannon, Ings.Hoever, Mee, Soumane, Ogbene, Chong, McGiness, Matos, Rothwell should be sold.
Obviously, loan players will go back to their clubs. Over to you, Chris WildeR. What is your opinion, fellow Blades?

 

[Champagneblade]

irritating isn’t it, when you look at the league?

Accrued same points as Coventry have right now. If Cov lose their last match our total would have been enough to win the league.

Second spot now will be no more than 84. We’d have been home and hosed with last season’s performance.

The Board and Bord and Sellés should hang their heads in shame with the reversal of progress they oversaw.

I will pin this but on Chris however, it’s a bit of a shocker we’re ending up 13 points adrift of the top 6. Coming into January, Wrexham were on par with us there or thereabouts. Norwich were behind us for long periods too. So despite the Board and Sellés derailing the season, the lack of continued competitiveness in recent weeks should create some need for introspection.

 

[Houston_Blade]

irritating isn’t it, when you look at the league?

Accrued same points as Coventry have right now. If Cov lose their last match our total would have been enough to win the league.

Second spot now will be no more than 84. We’d have been home and hosed with last season’s performance.

The Board and Bord and Sellés should hang their heads in shame with the reversal of progress they oversaw.

I will pin this but on Chris however, it’s a bit of a shocker we’re ending up 13 points adrift of the top 6. Coming into January, Wrexham were on par with us there or thereabouts. Norwich were behind us for long periods too. So despite the Board and Sellés derailing the season, the lack of continued competitiveness in recent weeks should create some need for introspection.

Not really, what happened last season occurred due to a set of circumstances and variables that will never be replicated. The likelihood of us getting the same or better points total this season was small as a result of the players we lost, never mind the dross we signed and the losers mentality we’ve picked up.

 

[Shawy24]

irritating isn’t it, when you look at the league?

Accrued same points as Coventry have right now. If Cov lose their last match our total would have been enough to win the league.

Second spot now will be no more than 84. We’d have been home and hosed with last season’s performance.

The Board and Bord and Sellés should hang their heads in shame with the reversal of progress they oversaw.

I will pin this but on Chris however, it’s a bit of a shocker we’re ending up 13 points adrift of the top 6. Coming into January, Wrexham were on par with us there or thereabouts. Norwich were behind us for long periods too. So despite the Board and Sellés derailing the season, the lack of continued competitiveness in recent weeks should create some need for introspection.

Introspection. Wilder?

 

[Danetheblade]

irritating isn’t it, when you look at the league?

Accrued same points as Coventry have right now. If Cov lose their last match our total would have been enough to win the league.

Second spot now will be no more than 84. We’d have been home and hosed with last season’s performance.

The Board and Bord and Sellés should hang their heads in shame with the reversal of progress they oversaw.

I will pin this but on Chris however, it’s a bit of a shocker we’re ending up 13 points adrift of the top 6. Coming into January, Wrexham were on par with us there or thereabouts. Norwich were behind us for long periods too. So despite the Board and Sellés derailing the season, the lack of continued competitiveness in recent weeks should create some need for introspection.

Selles had six games. We were absolute shit in those six games granted. Wilders had more than enough games (and also a transfer window to sign players to make a difference). Let’s not blame it on a short period of time when we’ve consistently shit our pants whenever we’ve got close to the play offs.

 

[nopigfansintown]

The big problem at United is the squad. The club will do incredibly well to alter that equation in one summer window. I have zero faith that the movers and shakers behind the scenes have the wherewithal to do it. In fact, if they have their hands on the tiller in the same way as last summer we'd be relegated next season. It's not been a money thing either: they've spent good money on shite.

My expectations have been hugely recalibrated based on the squad we have.There's others expecting a play off push this or next season, with the silver bullet of ABW (anyone but Wilder).Their real problem is their own deluded expectations.

 

[ATL Recs]

irritating isn’t it, when you look at the league?

Accrued same points as Coventry have right now. If Cov lose their last match our total would have been enough to win the league.

Second spot now will be no more than 84. We’d have been home and hosed with last season’s performance.

The Board and Bord and Sellés should hang their heads in shame with the reversal of progress they oversaw.

I will pin this but on Chris however, it’s a bit of a shocker we’re ending up 13 points adrift of the top 6. Coming into January, Wrexham were on par with us there or thereabouts. Norwich were behind us for long periods too. So despite the Board and Sellés derailing the season, the lack of continued competitiveness in recent weeks should create some need for introspection.

Same as last season point total against the 3 promoted clubs last season 3 this season 4 at best way off it at the highest level in the division
In fact we’ve picked up 4 points against the top 6 this season

 

[Upton_Blade]

irritating isn’t it, when you look at the league?

Accrued same points as Coventry have right now. If Cov lose their last match our total would have been enough to win the league.

Second spot now will be no more than 84. We’d have been home and hosed with last season’s performance.

The Board and Bord and Sellés should hang their heads in shame with the reversal of progress they oversaw.

I will pin this but on Chris however, it’s a bit of a shocker we’re ending up 13 points adrift of the top 6. Coming into January, Wrexham were on par with us there or thereabouts. Norwich were behind us for long periods too. So despite the Board and Sellés derailing the season, the lack of continued competitiveness in recent weeks should create some need for introspection.

If you look at all the available metrics last season then us getting 92 points was an absolute one off and would have never been repeated unless there was a complete change of approach from CW.

Based on his comments regarding points being more important than performances, and the reversion to said performances post Christmas this season, then I highly doubt he would have changed his approach this season had he kept his job. It would more than likely been the same approach just with a few different players.