Who to buy for next season

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Sean Thornton said:
The rumour where he lives is Spurs.
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This lad has the world at his feet.
Hull go down or not,he has the attributes of a quality centre half.
Look at stones,he's
Overrated in my eye,but so highly regarded in the English game.
Big h will play at the highest ebb for the rest of his career in my opinion.
He has everything a proper defender should have.
A big hard bomb head and savvy.
Quality is big h.
 
Pinchy said:
Absolutely. One of those players you just wished we'd had a few years earlier. Gordon Cowans would be in that category too. Also Denis Mortimer to a slightly lesser extent. McCall, Rioch, Rush, quite a few. But McGrath and Cowans were the standouts for me. We were never the same when Cowans left and Kendall replaced him with the significantly inferior Spackman.
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Agree with nearly all of that, Spackman was underwhelming and could never replace a player like Cowans, who'd fit into any United midfield I can think of. Good point about Mortimer, not quite the talent of other great players but he had enough about him to warrant being discussed as one of our better players. Not sure about Rush though, we've had plenty of quality players in their mature years, Speed being one, but back to McGrath, was a pleasure to watch a craftsman at work.
 
Alan Cork and Ugo Ehiogu?
They were wise old heads when they became Blades werent they?
 
Sean Thornton said:
All I said was I didn't get the desire some have for him coming back. For some reason you appear have taken that simple point very personally.

You think he'd be an asset, I think we could spend the money better. Unless you think he'll play for free or minimum wage. Whichever, your over the top reaction seems quite odd.
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You said you didn't get the desire to sign him and offered examples of failed signings and the cost involved, I merely responded with successful signings and the fact that we have no idea of the costs involved. No falling out pal. Sorry if my responses came across as if this were the case.
 
Pinchy said:
I saw it. It was deliberate. Stop kidding yourself. Your Everton hero didn't give a fuck about us being relegated because he was already sorted. He hasn't given a fuck about us since, not even deigned to give an explanation for a completely unnecessary handball in the penalty area. Fuck the Everton player.
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Don't know if he didn't give a fuck, I don't know the bloke and I suspect neither do you. However perpetuating this bullshit that he deliberately handled in order to get himself a move is just that, bullshit
 
andy m said:
Don't know if he didn't give a fuck, I don't know the bloke and I suspect neither do you. However perpetuating this bullshit that he deliberately handled in order to get himself a move is just that, bullshit
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He didn't do it to get himself a move. The move was inevitable anyway. That's why he couldn't care less about us being relegated. We never got even the courtesy of a brief explanation either then or since, so keen was he to get away. He has never mentioned it or us since.

Fuck the Everton player and don't come back.
 
Blade58 said:
Could well be Joe Riley is a player for next season

CW saying that when he arrived it was with a view to try to do something. His loan signing was to allow the club to have a look at him, but also for him to take a look at the club

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...be-set-for-a-return-to-bramall-lane-1-8416007
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yes, agree with you on this. The Championship is littered with young Prem players getting a full seasons experience. We could do with a couple with the hope that one or even both get in the team and are a revelation. It could help us enormously in staying up next season. Coady made a great impression - we could do with a couple more.

UTB
 
Fulwood Blade said:
yes, agree with you on this. The Championship is littered with young Prem players getting a full seasons experience. We could do with a couple with the hope that one or even both get in the team and are a revelation. It could help us enormously in staying up next season. Coady made a great impression - we could do with a couple more.

UTB
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Agree with that - just look at the impact the likes of Tammy Abraham and Izzy Brown are having.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
Agree with that - just look at the impact the likes of Tammy Abraham and Izzy Brown are having.
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I can't see any reason why clubs won't loan to us next season (apart from we keep damaging our current loan players).

We play good football, we have good coaches and facilities and players have to really earn their place in the team. If I were a manager of a top club it's exactly what I'd want for a player going out on loan.
 
Fulwood Blade said:
For me, your post asks the main question.

A team needs different players for 352 or 442.

We presently have numerous players that are great in 352 but would be useless in a 442.

CW may have ideas to play 442 eventually but it may need quite a number of changes.

For me, i'd stick with this proven 352, hit the Championship with 2 or 3 players who can fit straight in and get some points on the board whilst the team is brimming with confidence (like a lot of promoted teams do ie: dingles).

A sudden change of numerous players plus a change of formation may result in a poor start, which we can't really afford.

It's a difficult call for CW & AK - good luck fellas.........:)

UTB
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I’d like to think we could give ourselves a squad that affords both options. If we brought in Chapman and another wide player, we would be able to convert to 442 or 4231 as and when required with Freeman and Lafferty playing as full backs and 2 from JOC, JW, Bash and a new CB to chose from in the middle.

We've changed at times during games this season and I'd like to think we'd be adaptable again.
 
andy m said:
Stuart Mcall, Paul McGrath, Wayne Allison, Neil Shipperley. These even played this century
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Gary Speed, Gordon Cowans, Dean Saunders, Keith Gillespie, David Unsworth could all be added to the success list. But on the flip side….


Dean Hammond
Marcus Bent (2nd spell)
James Beattie (2nd spell)
James Harper
Ian Rush
Tommy Johnson
Michael Higdon
Connor Sammon
Jay McEveley
Gary Flitcroft
Lilian Nalis


All “graced” our pitch as their careers were in decline. Signing Jags could go either way but given what I would expect him to cost in terms of salary, it’s probably not the best value for money out there. I’d hope Wilder can find someone who is better value and can serve the club for longer.
 
Pinchy said:
Back for more volleyball? It would be his first time back of course. Good old "Jags".

Oh, and "England" are shite.

No return for the Everton player, thanks. 10 Bladey points for you, though.
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Damn that Jags. If only he was more Bladey, then he’d be allowed back…..


Neil Collins talks about us on Twitter and in his blog. Let’s get him and Gagey signed up.


On a serious note, I agree we shouldn’t sign Jagielka but it has nothing to do with whether he meant to relegate us with his handball or not. I just think he was a player who was quite dependant on his athleticism and is by all accounts in steep decline. Couple that with the fact that he’d probably want a lot of money and it just doesn’t look like good value for me. Would rather go for someone like Curtis Nelson or Murray Wallace.
 



Ricky said:
Connor Goldson has a heart problem and is having surgery. Decent suggestion otherwise.

Richard Stearman could be quite a suitable option at centre half. Good age for a CB and would be comfortable at RCB.
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Wow, didn’t know that about Goldson. That’s a shame as he’s always shown a lot of promise. What about Iorfa? Big, strong, quick, athletic player who is young enough to improve and might not be part of Wolves’ plans if they invest the mega-bucks that people have been talking about.
 
Tyler Durden said:
Accidental handballs never happen, never ever.
Josh Pask against us at Gillingham, Jay McEveley at Colchester. There was a twisted Machiavellian plot behind both of them, surely you all know this?

Although I don't recall the supporters of either club demanding a detailed dossier on why those incidents occured. Maybe because they aren't precious, entitled, snivelling arseholes.....
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That bastard Jack O’Connell is yet to explain why he cost us the Millwall game as well. Get him sacked and never let him return.
 
itsinyerblood said:
Bit of a pointless proposition, but can you imagine a player like McGrath in this current United defence? Playing with someone like Wright would give us a defence like you wouldn't believe. I hear so often that he only played a few games, but if ever a player pulled on the United shirt and immediately oozed quality it was this man. I know he had a reputation based on being what is known as a hell-raiser, but I can't recall someone with such instinctive and intuitive talents......PM and Jake Wright would have been the Kaisers you can only dream about.
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If we had McGrath now I suspect he would play instead of Jake Wright. They bring very similar qualities to the table and are both suited to the sweeper role. By playing both in our system you’d be pushing one out of position at the expense of Bash or JOC.


The fantastic thing about Wright is that despite having no outstanding technical or physical attributes, his concentration and decision making are impeccable. That might not be enough if he was playing in a back 4 but in a back 3 flanked by a couple of aggressive lads who go and attack everything he’s ideal as a sweeper.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
I’d like to think we could give ourselves a squad that affords both options. If we brought in Chapman and another wide player, we would be able to convert to 442 or 4231 as and when required with Freeman and Lafferty playing as full backs and 2 from JOC, JW, Bash and a new CB to chose from in the middle.

We've changed at times during games this season and I'd like to think we'd be adaptable again.
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yes would like to see Chapman for a full season - and Riley too. Man U fans rate him and he seems to be adaptable in a few positions.

CW & AK like the change of formation during a game - me too for that matter.

We now play good football, and the top clubs should be more acceptable in sending some of their precious youngsters out to our coaching staff.

The future's bright................oops, that's been done ;)

UTB
 
1danewhitehouse said:
If we had McGrath now I suspect he would play instead of Jake Wright. They bring very similar qualities to the table and are both suited to the sweeper role. By playing both in our system you’d be pushing one out of position at the expense of Bash or JOC.


The fantastic thing about Wright is that despite having no outstanding technical or physical attributes, his concentration and decision making are impeccable. That might not be enough if he was playing in a back 4 but in a back 3 flanked by a couple of aggressive lads who go and attack everything he’s ideal as a sweeper.
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I tug my forelock at your suggestion dane, but although McGrath was clearly possessed of superior ability, I'd include decision making in that description, I'm not one to subscribe to the idea that you can't have too many good players. I think, and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, that what you're getting at is balance, the chemistry that exists between players and the technical composition that enables a defence to work effectively. It's something that's been commented on many times, you can't have too many leaders, and the only way it could ever work would be to play Wright and McGrath in the same team. Of course it's a nonsense given that it's a hypothetical question, but looking back we have had some truly excellent players.

Looking forward, given the quality of player that Wilder has brought in so far, I'm looking forward to seeing who we sign over the next two-three seasons
 
itsinyerblood said:
I tug my forelock at your suggestion dane, but although McGrath was clearly possessed of superior ability, I'd include decision making in that description, I'm not one to subscribe to the idea that you can't have too many good players. I think, and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, that what you're getting at is balance, the chemistry that exists between players and the technical composition that enables a defence to work effectively. It's something that's been commented on many times, you can't have too many leaders, and the only way it could ever work would be to play Wright and McGrath in the same team. Of course it's a nonsense given that it's a hypothetical question, but looking back we have had some truly excellent players.

Looking forward, given the quality of player that Wilder has brought in so far, I'm looking forward to seeing who we sign over the next two-three seasons
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I agree with you about McGrath’s decision making and that kind of feeds in to why it would be one or the other (but with McGrath having other outstanding qualities such as his aerial prowess). I think both would be most suited to the sweeper role and don’t think either is that well suited to the flanking CB role (like Holdsworth and Tiler and now Bash and JOC play). For me, Wright is decent as the LCB but not better than JOC. His attributes make him an ideal sweeper at this level. McGrath’s attributes made him the ideal sweeper at a higher level.
 
gavtheblade said:
This lad has the world at his feet.
Hull go down or not,he has the attributes of a quality centre half.
Look at stones,he's
Overrated in my eye,but so highly regarded in the English game.
Big h will play at the highest ebb for the rest of his career in my opinion.
He has everything a proper defender should have.
A big hard bomb head and savvy.
Quality is big h.
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http://www.skysports.com/share/10787558
 
Ricky said:
Alex Baptiste could be one to go for. Experienced but still quick and comfortable in any defensive position. Especially at CB or RCB in a 3.
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Good shout although i still think he will go for Webster as EEL's direct replacement and possibly Morgan again in the experienced sweeper type role if he thinks Wright may not either be able to step up or there's a possibility he may not last the season.
 
Upton_Blade said:
Good shout although i still think he will go for Webster as EEL's direct replacement and possibly Morgan again in the experienced sweeper type role if he thinks Wright may not either be able to step up or there's a possibility he may not last the season.
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Didn't Billy Joel once write a song about a lass from Upton?
 
We'd need two 'modern' centre forwards in the Cameron Jerome/Tammy Abraham/Chris Wood mould. Probably one young one and the other being a big investment for the first team to either partner Billy or play as a lone striker.

A centre forward who can hold it up, be a presence and a threat in behind is vital. The pigs have been paying the price for not really having one (Lucas Joao not been the same since he hurt his tooth against Rotherham bless him) and long may it continue.

Need 2 centre backs, Jagielka to be the new heart of the defence and a young athletic type to compete with Basham (and hopefully Brayford IMO) for the right side of the back three. Although someone mentioned Alex Baptiste who would be absolutely perfect.

Add to that Harry Chapman, a young attacking wing back to compete with Lafferty and a new keeper to compete with Simon Moore and you've got 7 or 8 new signings, 3 or 4 for the first team.

Nice to be looking forward to us building an exciting team that plays nice football
 
First season in a long time I've felt not so engaged in this type of discussion simply because I've got faith Wilder can be trusted to recruit well and sensibly.

I think there are a number of good players at this level if we prefer that route. No earth shattering discoveries here:

I think we would need a keeper, 2 centre halves, a wingback/fullback, a midfielder and a forward.

So realistically:

Etheridge - been very good for a while now. Decent age, good height and unless he's signed a deal, on a free. Would be a genuine rival for Moore.

Riley - knows the club, can cover both sides. Either Man U will let him go or a loan in the Champ after a loan in Leage One would be the right trajectory. Freeman can still get better, Lafferyy is steady and you still have Brayford as a consideration.

Chapman - might depend on Boro's division. But could be a decent winger or could push Duffy down the pecking order. I'd keep Duffy and would like to think Fleck, Coutts, Carruthers can make the step us with Whiteman and Brooks involved.

Vaughan - we've got a target man but Wilder is not reliant on this and Vaughan has put his injuries behind him. Lavery, Sharp and Hansen already provide some diversity.

Gregory - been a consistent performer and a Blade to boot. Would be potentially more expensive alternative to Vaughan.

This leaves two centre backs and we may need some experience there from the level above where we are now. Complemented by Wright, Basham and O'Connell. Webster would be obvious but perhaps it's here you see money spent to make us hard to beat.

Those I've not mentioned I think we can move on.
 
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I know the lot from S6 say how big the gap is between the leagues. Of course there is some truth in that.

However the players we sign from league one have to at least been "very good".

Riley / Chapman etc aren't proven in league one. To compete in the championship we need to take players such as Gregory who at least is proven in this league and may be able to do it in the league above.

Be good to see when we play Milwall how Webster and Gregory play.
 



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