What needs to happen over January

[blade too long]

weve had 2 away games at reasonable sides in good form , our home form is what will ensure we stay up as a minimum . 11 home games we need to get 21 to 24 points out of 33 and 10 away where 9 points out of 30 would see us safe then anythging else is a bonus.
home
http://stats.football365.co.uk/dom/ENG/D2/hform.html
away
http://stats.football365.co.uk/dom/ENG/D2/aform.html
just keep doing this we will be fine, and these include the last 2 away defeats

 

[Racy]

This could be wrong, but isn't it the position that equity investment doesn't count towards the 60% limit? So, if HRH were essentially to pump £xm into the club, we could use all that money to fund player purchases.

If that's right, and we really have "game changing investments", I find it hard to understand why we do not just buy 4-5 decent players which would ensure a swift move up the table this season and a promotion challenge next season. After all, buying 4-5 good third division players would not cost that much...

Surely and investment of a couple of million would bring in some decent third tier players in.

If HRH cant sort this how could we compete in the championship never mind the Prem

 

[IOM Blade]

Wolves are prepared to loan out striker Kevin Doyle as they cut costs.

Why the hell not? We're supposed to be rich and are no threat to Wolves whatsoever.

This is the sort of player our 'game changing investment' should procure.

No way in hell he'd agree to join us tho!

 

[Junior Soduko]

Financial fair play is a load of complete bollocks, and as in previous years if the powers that be at SUFC say that we are restricted by FFP rules, hence a lack of transfer activity it is a pack of lies.

My back of the beer mat calculations explain why.

We have roughly around 13000 season ticket holders which cost around £400.

So lets say we have 12000 season ticket holders each paying on average £275.

That equals £3,300,000.

We than have on average lets say 5000 paying fans on the day for each home game, at lets say an average of £15 per ticket.

Thats £75000 a game which over the course of 23 games equals £1,725,000.

So in ticket sales alone over the course of the season we receive £5,025,000, which is underestimated.

60% of this is £3,015,000.

So just from the revenue aspect of our ticket sales we can have a wage bill up to 3 million quid. Dividing this through by lets say 22 players in the squad. Gives on average a yearly salary of £137,000. which equates to a weekley wage of of £2,600.

So given that this is just from ticket sales, and no other revenue streams from SUFC are taken into account and we can afford this average wage bill, which in my own opinion, think for a league one player is rather generous. I am not buying that we are restricted by financial fair play in the slightest.

 

[alcoblade]

Miller is simply a goal poacher and not alone man or creator.
A lot as changed since his injury, one thing is he's not playing the same role as before, more a midfield role or the lone striker from what I've seen.

He didn't score many in his career before his injury, he's not likely to after.

Another example of us being seduced by short term form.

Not good enough, get rid.

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[Darren]

Financial fair play is a load of complete bollocks, and as in previous years if the powers that be at SUFC say that we are restricted by FFP rules, hence a lack of transfer activity it is a pack of lies.

My back of the beer mat calculations explain why.

We have roughly around 13000 season ticket holders which cost around £400.

So lets say we have 12000 season ticket holders each paying on average £275.

That equals £3,300,000.

We than have on average lets say 5000 paying fans on the day for each home game, at lets say an average of £15 per ticket.

Thats £75000 a game which over the course of 23 games equals £1,725,000.

So in ticket sales alone over the course of the season we receive £5,025,000, which is underestimated.

60% of this is £3,015,000.

So just from the revenue aspect of our ticket sales we can have a wage bill up to 3 million quid. Dividing this through by lets say 22 players in the squad. Gives on average a yearly salary of £137,000. which equates to a weekley wage of of £2,600.

So given that this is just from ticket sales, and no other revenue streams from SUFC are taken into account and we can afford this average wage bill, which in my own opinion, think for a league one player is rather generous. I am not buying that we are restricted by financial fair play in the slightest.

In 2010, the average third tier salary was £1410 a week. No doubt it has gone up a bit since then, but not by that much. The bottom line is that, with ticket sales and other revenue streams, we can pay double the average third division wage and still be within the FFP.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ier-League-wages-FIVE-times-Championship.html

 

[alcoblade]

Financial fair play is a load of complete bollocks, and as in previous years if the powers that be at SUFC say that we are restricted by FFP rules, hence a lack of transfer activity it is a pack of lies.

My back of the beer mat calculations explain why.

We have roughly around 13000 season ticket holders which cost around £400.

So lets say we have 12000 season ticket holders each paying on average £275.

That equals £3,300,000.

We than have on average lets say 5000 paying fans on the day for each home game, at lets say an average of £15 per ticket.

Thats £75000 a game which over the course of 23 games equals £1,725,000.

So in ticket sales alone over the course of the season we receive £5,025,000, which is underestimated.

60% of this is £3,015,000.

So just from the revenue aspect of our ticket sales we can have a wage bill up to 3 million quid. Dividing this through by lets say 22 players in the squad. Gives on average a yearly salary of £137,000. which equates to a weekley wage of of £2,600.

So given that this is just from ticket sales, and no other revenue streams from SUFC are taken into account and we can afford this average wage bill, which in my own opinion, think for a league one player is rather generous. I am not buying that we are restricted by financial fair play in the slightest.

You might think that those wages are rather generous, but the reality is that we are paying more than that, and FFP is a reality, not complete bollocks.

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[GRUMPY BLADE]

Financial fair play is a load of complete bollocks, and as in previous years if the powers that be at SUFC say that we are restricted by FFP rules, hence a lack of transfer activity it is a pack of lies.

My back of the beer mat calculations explain why.

We have roughly around 13000 season ticket holders which cost around £400.

So lets say we have 12000 season ticket holders each paying on average £275.

That equals £3,300,000.

We than have on average lets say 5000 paying fans on the day for each home game, at lets say an average of £15 per ticket.

Thats £75000 a game which over the course of 23 games equals £1,725,000.

So in ticket sales alone over the course of the season we receive £5,025,000, which is underestimated.

60% of this is £3,015,000.

So just from the revenue aspect of our ticket sales we can have a wage bill up to 3 million quid. Dividing this through by lets say 22 players in the squad. Gives on average a yearly salary of £137,000. which equates to a weekley wage of of £2,600.

So given that this is just from ticket sales, and no other revenue streams from SUFC are taken into account and we can afford this average wage bill, which in my own opinion, think for a league one player is rather generous. I am not buying that we are restricted by financial fair play in the slightest.

But there is about £4M being spent on paying off numerous ex.managers

 

[alcoblade]

In 2010, the average third tier salary was £1410 a week. No doubt it has gone up a bit since then, but not by that much. The bottom line is that, with ticket sales and other revenue streams, we can pay double the average third division wage and still be within the FFP.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ier-League-wages-FIVE-times-Championship.html

Which means with a blank canvas, we should be OK. But we are stuck with donkeys like Porter, earning far above that level, so right now we are limited in what we can do.

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[Darren]

You might think that those wages are rather generous, but the reality is that we are paying more than that, and FFP is a reality, not complete bollocks.

UTB

Indeed. But, the better players at, say Swindon or Rotherham, who are doing much better than us are probably on no more than that average third division wage. Why can't we poach them by doubling their money?

 

[Racy]

He didn't score many in his career before his injury, he's not likely to after.

Another example of us being seduced by short term form.

Not good enough, get rid.

UTB

I think you are right he,s been fully fit for a while now and to be honest he looks poor.

 

[alcoblade]

Indeed. But, the better players at, say Swindon or Rotherham, who are doing much better than us are probably on no more than that average third division wage. Why can't we poach them by doubling their money?

We could, once we've offloaded the existing dross that takes us over that limit already.

UTB

 

[Junior Soduko]

You might think that those wages are rather generous, but the reality is that we are paying more than that, and FFP is a reality, not complete bollocks.

UTB

It's complete bollocks when it's used as an excuse as to why we can't sign player x, or player y.

I have no doubt that we are paying more than that, but given that every calculation in their is massively underestimated in terms of numbers and prices. I fail to see that when adding this to the other streams of revenue why we are restricted at all.

 

[alcoblade]

It's complete bollocks when it's used as an excuse as to why we can't sign player x, or player y.

I have no doubt that we are paying more than that, but given that every calculation in their is massively underestimated in terms of numbers and prices. I fail to see that when adding this to the other streams of revenue why we are restricted at all.

You don't really think we've ben paying near the average 3rd division wage do you? That calcluation is, I suspect, fucking miles off the mark.


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[GRUMPY BLADE]

You don't really think we've ben paying near the average 3rd division wage do you? That calcluation is, I suspect, fucking miles off the mark.


UTB

Incomes much higher?

 

[alcoblade]

Incomes much higher?

Yep, all the numbers will be much higher. But given that we extended shite like Doyle and Cresswell's contract in order to reduce their weekly wage and get under it, you can see how we've been limited by it.

The next accounts will, no doubt, show a wage bill FAR in excesss of the numbers being talked about here.

We will be OK in future, but we aren't now.

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[Grecian2000]

our home form is what will ensure we stay up as a minimum . 11 home games we need to get 21 to 24 points out of 33

But last week your major source of confidence (drugs aside) was that we'd played all the best teams AWAY! Surely that means we have to play them all at home now which will make our home games more difficult than they have been.

Or does Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool all winning away this week-end mean we're more likely to survive by our efforts away from BDTBL?

 

[Guesty]

Indeed. But, the better players at, say Swindon or Rotherham, who are doing much better than us are probably on no more than that average third division wage. Why can't we poach them by doubling their money?

Because they'll play badly for us like everyone else does, and we'll be stuck paying over the odds for yet another four or five duffers.

 

[blade too long]

conversly weve still got the under performing teams away , notts county are in a very good run , the other 10 we have left arent all playing well, again be as negative as you want , but overall things are much better , dont get panicky over losing an away game to a team who like us , wont go down ps I dont need drugs , as I have a positive look at life , Im not a manic depressive like some ,stimulants are for those that cant see a future they imagine they should have

 

[super_pig]

I'll bring this topic back up again then, as I have been silen on the subject for a few months. What has changed?

We finish 3rd one season, 4th the next, absolutely Roger Notts County first game of this season with an impressive performance and it's been downhill from there. Why? I hear you ask. 3 words - Kevin Mc-fucking-Donald!!

He is by far and away the most talented midfielder we have had at the club since, well before I started going (2000ish). He wasn't appreciated because people at our club fail to see the value of a sideways or 5-yard pass. McDonald was a master at creating space and putting the balls in the right areas, unfortunately people failed to see it as they were too hung up on the fact that he didn't put his head down and run towards goal, or score 20 goals a season. Not only do I believe we would be in the top 10 now had we kept him, but I honestly believe weir would still be here as he had spent all his time here building the team around McDonald. People won't believe me, but remember, 9 of our starting at villa we're here last season. So not much has changed, but the correlation between quality of football and results over the last 2.5 years correlate positively with McDonald.

My rant-ish over

Amen.. edin hazard would look shite having to play alongside Doyle and Co.

 

[Rodley]

Don't you set your FFP level at the start of the year? I.e pre-HRH takeover?

Either that or NC doesn't want wholesale changes to jeopardise continuity.

NC said months ago we were only making a few loan signings at Christmas with major changes in the summer didn't he?

 

[blade too long]

good point Rodley , all we need to do is move forward just now , too many changes rarely works , ie AVB at Spurs , or Adams 3 years ago, progression through development not trying to buy a team in a month, we have a basis for retaining 5/6/7 of current team and adding to areas we can all see need fortyfying

 

[grafikhaus]

Why the hell not? We're supposed to be rich and are no threat to Wolves whatsoever.

This is the sort of player our 'game changing investment' should procure.

No way in hell he'd agree to join us tho!

And why not? He's on the way out at Wolves (being replaced by a £300k signing from Wigan) and,Wendy aside, I can't see any Wolves-size clubs going for him or he being attracted to them. Apart from a move to a club at the arse-end of Turkey, these players have to get real.

But that's the way it is with some of our fans. 'Why would X join us?' 'FFP rules mean we can't sign anybody above the level of Paynter/Kitson/King/Cresswell etc.'

While we're arguing about it, the rest will get on with it. Hear that sound? It's fiddling while Rome burns.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

As I say, 8 or 9 of our regular team are the same as last season. So what else is consistent with the timing of this downturn of form? I'm not saying it IS the reason, but even whilst he was at the club, there was a very noticeable change in results when he played and didn't. I really believe he would be worth 7 or 8 league places to us!

I really do disagree but it's just my opinion against yours, suppose we will never know. I would identify the loss of Lowton, Williamson, Quinn and Evans as the reason we were not as good last season as the one before. I would then add the loss of McDonald, Blackman, Kitson and an injury to an in form Miller as the reason we have been worse again this year.

We've consistently let our better players go without adequately replacing them. McDonald is one of many but certainly not the only reason in my mind for what we have become. Really don't see that.

 

[Kev Gee]

This could be wrong, but isn't it the position that equity investment doesn't count towards the 60% limit? So, if HRH were essentially to pump £xm into the club, we could use all that money to fund player purchases.

If that's right, and we really have "game changing investments", I find it hard to understand why we do not just buy 4-5 decent players which would ensure a swift move up the table this season and a promotion challenge next season. After all, buying 4-5 good third division players would not cost that much...

I agree. However convincing Player A, B & C to sign for a side that could be playing in League 2 next season is a different matter.
Im sure money talks and if we survive this season then things will move on swiftly next year.

 

[Guesty]

I don't think I'd want Kevin Doyle, he's hardly prolific, seems to be in an early decline and his attitude of recent seasons stinks.

 

[stannyblade]

I don't think I'd want Kevin Doyle, he's hardly prolific, seems to be in an early decline and his attitude of recent seasons stinks.

If he was playing well Wolves wouldnt be getting rid. We need someone who is firing now not 5 years ago.
Who? no idea

 

[Junior Soduko]

You don't really think we've ben paying near the average 3rd division wage do you? That calcluation is, I suspect, fucking miles off the mark.


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No i don't, but that isn't my point. What im trying to say is that just with grossly underestimated ticket sales figure we can afford under FFP to pay 22 players a weekly wage of £2,600.

To put it another way, lets say the average wage at SUFC is £5,000 per week. Lets say we have 22 players. For arguements sake lets say the wage bill is therefore £6,000,000. So we need a turnover figure of £10,000,000.

I also struggle to believe that any players brought in by David Weir are on £5,000 or more, and i can only see a handful of the 'legacy' contracts being over this.

 

[alcoblade]

No i don't, but that isn't my point. What im trying to say is that just with grossly underestimated ticket sales figure we can afford under FFP to pay 22 players a weekly wage of £2,600.

To put it another way, lets say the average wage at SUFC is £5,000 per week. Lets say we have 22 players. For arguements sake lets say the wage bill is therefore £6,000,000. So we need a turnover figure of £10,000,000.

I also struggle to believe that any players brought in by David Weir are on £5,000 or more, and i can only see a handful of the 'legacy' contracts being over this.

I believe the wages need to include management and coaching (including ex ones still not paid off), not just players. And since SUFC has been separated form the PLC, I'd imagine turnover will be under £10M. Clough recently stated that thye wanted to renegotiate the loan fees for Coady, Lappin and White. We're clearly concerned about gthe level of wages there, for whatever rerason.

Either way, the club has stated that they have had issues with FFP, they're either lying, or they aren't. But if they are, they've made themselves like a set of twats by the time the next sets of accounts are published.

It's much more likely (and I think the numbers back it up) that they’re telling the truth, and that FFP has constrained us.

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[brownie4583]

Wigan striker Nouha Dicko has agreed to join Wolves in a £300,000 deal. Dicko watched the League One side’s 2-0 win over Preston on Saturday ahead of holding talks.

Wolves are prepared to loan out striker Kevin Doyle as they cut costs.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ko-bid-return-Championship.html#ixzz2qGmGfu4h

I would be happy with Kevin Doyle on loan at present.