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I think the word to describe a manager takes you from bottom half of league one to the top half of the premier league is what you call a historic success
And I think the word to describe a manager who in his second season picked up just 14 points from four wins and two draws and losing the other 22 league games before he left, as something of a failure.

Yet some 'deluded ' ( Fallowfield in particular) posters seem to think he'll be the answer to our prayers.
 
And I think the word to describe a manager who in his second season picked up just 14 points from four wins and two draws and losing the other 22 league games before he left, as something of a failure.

Yet some 'deluded ' ( Fallowfield in particular) posters seem to think he'll be the answer to our prayers.
Baffling isn't it, some Blades would probably sign Besic and Madine again. Wilder is history, times and football have moved on.
 
Baffling isn't it, some Blades would probably sign Besic and Madine again. Wilder is history, times and football have moved on.

Illiman I had you down for at least having a brain well at least more than our resident circus clown djbaldken

Managers fail I’m not quite sure you understand that

By yours and many others logic you wouldn’t have took

Howe after Bournemouth as he took them down

Dyche after Burnley as he took them down

Moyes after Sunderland as he took them down ?

Yes wilder didn’t succeed at Boro but it wasn’t as black and white as he was a complete failure he did a lot of good stuff probably setting them up for carrick
 
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right.
And here we are, stuck in the drivel with you ( Fallowfield.)

The number of likes on my post appears to disagree with you Baldy Kenneth

Maybe you’re the joker after all
 
The number of likes on my post appears to disagree with you Baldy Kenneth

Maybe you’re the joker after all
Maths was never your strong point either Fallowfield.
13 likes against 15 pissing themselves laughing emojis

Followed by 50 plus comments all deriding or taking the piss at this post.

Still, at least you are getting the attention you desperately seek.
 
no matter whos in the hot seat we need fit players in January, can be frees so long as they are fit and can play

no manager can ever win games with a team with a majority of the squad on gurneys

14 games left v bottom half teams and 84 points still available
and just like saying its us with the 2 worst starts lets not forget its us who stayed up despite not winning till december
 
no matter whos in the hot seat we need fit players in January, can be frees so long as they are fit and can play

no manager can ever win games with a team with a majority of the squad on gurneys

14 games left v bottom half teams and 84 points still available
and just like saying its us with the 2 worst starts lets not forget its us who stayed up despite not winning till december as well
 

League Division One table after close of play on 15 December 1990​

PosTeamPldWDLGFGAGDPts
1Liverpool16132134122241
2Arsenal1711603392437
3Tottenham Hotspur1786331191230
4Crystal Palace168622517830
5Leeds United167632617927
6Manchester City166822622426
7Chelsea177553030026
8Wimbledon176742723425
9Manchester United177552320325
10Norwich City177282328-523
11Nottingham Forest165652222021
12Luton Town165561926-720
13Aston Villa164661718-118
14Southampton174492232-1016
15Derby County164481628-1216
16Everton163671921-215
17Sunderland173682026-615
18Coventry City173591522-714
19Queens Park Rangers1733112134-1312
20Sheffield United160412730-234
11 Dec 1990 Arsenal deducted 2 pts for Old Trafford brawl.
11 Dec 1990 Manchester United deducted 1 pt for Old Trafford brawl v Arsenal.

stayed up finished mid table
points collection hasnt changed even though teams have

some super clubs are loaded but still drop points
 
We wont even have a chance of staying up with hecky in charge

Pathetic that they havent acked him they clearly don't care
 
Is Hecky doing that much worse than Wilder in that 2nd season?

It's the ONLY question that matters in this equation surely.
 

If we lose to wolves with a bad show, Hecky should go Saturday night imo, victory gives him another chance
Or battling defeat, improved performance defeat, hard earned draw...and we limp on, directionless to the next
 
Is Hecky doing that much worse than Wilder in that 2nd season?

It's the ONLY question that matters in this equation surely.
Yes. As bad as we were in the second season we only lost by one goal. We were competitive but couldn't score. We had a recognisable shape and pattern of play. Results wise both were as bad as each other, let's not forget that two of Hecky's three wins came after relegation was confirmed when the pressure was off the players. Performance wise this season is arguably the worst football this club has ever seen and we are not competitive in any department. We are disorganised, we can't pass, we can't defend, we can't shoot. We can't do any of the fundemental basics. Our tactics are defend with 11 men and hoof it to the strikers. As basic and negative as this is we can't even do that right. When that doesn't work we have no plan B.

No manager will save us from relegation. That's nailed on, but a new manager can get us doing the basics and will at least see us resemble a football team who know what they're doing. We may even pick up the occasional win or draw here and there on the way down.

It's been said enough times on here. The fans who want Hecky gone know that the new manager won't keep us up. But they believe that the new manager will improve the performances on the way down and instill some organisation and fight into the team.
 
Anyone got any family members who are deludamol dealers? Sounds like i need some.
 

League Division One table after close of play on 15 December 1990​

PosTeamPldWDLGFGAGDPts
1Liverpool16132134122241
2Arsenal1711603392437
3Tottenham Hotspur1786331191230
4Crystal Palace168622517830
5Leeds United167632617927
6Manchester City166822622426
7Chelsea177553030026
8Wimbledon176742723425
9Manchester United177552320325
10Norwich City177282328-523
11Nottingham Forest165652222021
12Luton Town165561926-720
13Aston Villa164661718-118
14Southampton174492232-1016
15Derby County164481628-1216
16Everton163671921-215
17Sunderland173682026-615
18Coventry City173591522-714
19Queens Park Rangers1733112134-1312
20Sheffield United160412730-234
11 Dec 1990 Arsenal deducted 2 pts for Old Trafford brawl.
11 Dec 1990 Manchester United deducted 1 pt for Old Trafford brawl v Arsenal.

stayed up finished mid table
points collection hasnt changed even though teams have

some super clubs are loaded but still drop points
I need whatever tablets your doctors gives you mate
 

League Division One table after close of play on 15 December 1990​

PosTeamPldWDLGFGAGDPts
1Liverpool16132134122241
2Arsenal1711603392437
3Tottenham Hotspur1786331191230
4Crystal Palace168622517830
5Leeds United167632617927
6Manchester City166822622426
7Chelsea177553030026
8Wimbledon176742723425
9Manchester United177552320325
10Norwich City177282328-523
11Nottingham Forest165652222021
12Luton Town165561926-720
13Aston Villa164661718-118
14Southampton174492232-1016
15Derby County164481628-1216
16Everton163671921-215
17Sunderland173682026-615
18Coventry City173591522-714
19Queens Park Rangers1733112134-1312
20Sheffield United160412730-234
11 Dec 1990Arsenal deducted 2 pts for Old Trafford brawl.
11 Dec 1990Manchester United deducted 1 pt for Old Trafford brawl v Arsenal.

stayed up finished mid table
points collection hasnt changed even though teams have

some super clubs are loaded but still drop points
2 words - Brian Deane.

from memory, our scorers after 16 games were Deane 4, Jones 2, Barnes 1.
 
Yes. As bad as we were in the second season we only lost by one goal. We were competitive but couldn't score. We had a recognisable shape and pattern of play. Results wise both were as bad as each other, let's not forget that two of Hecky's three wins came after relegation was confirmed when the pressure was off the players. Performance wise this season is arguably the worst football this club has ever seen and we are not competitive in any department. We are disorganised, we can't pass, we can't defend, we can't shoot. We can't do any of the fundemental basics. Our tactics are defend with 11 men and hoof it to the strikers. As basic and negative as this is we can't even do that right. When that doesn't work we have no plan B.

No manager will save us from relegation. That's nailed on, but a new manager can get us doing the basics and will at least see us resemble a football team who know what they're doing. We may even pick up the occasional win or draw here and there on the way down.

It's been said enough times on here. The fans who want Hecky gone know that the new manager won't keep us up. But they believe that the new manager will improve the performances on the way down and instill some organisation and fight into the team.

Personally i think any manager (could easily be Hecky) who comes in and totally overhauls our strength and conditioning programme, and gets us fitter, stronger, more energetic stands half a chance.

I call bullshit on the argument that our players are palpably worse than Luton, Burnley, Bournemouth.

The differentiator is they're fitter, stronger, more energetic. That's easily remedied with an intense 6 week programme.
 
Personally i think any manager (could easily be Hecky) who comes in and totally overhauls our strength and conditioning programme, and gets us fitter, stronger, more energetic stands half a chance.

I call bullshit on the argument that our players are palpably worse than Luton, Burnley, Bournemouth.

The differentiator is they're fitter, stronger, more energetic. That's easily remedied with an intense 6 week programme.
I agree about our fitness. I cannot remember any seasons where our players weren't ready after pre-season or looked unfit still in October. When Slav was in charge we effectively had no pre-season and the summer was a mess, but the players still looked fit and strong after a few matches.

There is something fundamentally wrong with the training methods at Shirecliffe and Hecky doesn't seem to recognise or want to remedy this, nor his appalling injury record at every club that he's managed.
 

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