Vote of Confidence....

[Blade56]

No call for his sacking, no long explanations (use other threads for debate) simple question simple answer Yes or No

 

[Billytheblade]

No

 

[Cool Clint]

Why

 

[Sestanovich]

Why

 

[sitwell]

Why Delilah

 

[Blade56]

Because, as I and others have said before the fans opinion is important. I successful club has a manager that is backed by the board, players and fans.

There is a lot of debate at the moment regarding should he be sacked / shouldn't he be sacked. For me we have just past the rubicon for this season. If he were to go it should have been January at the latest. I think we have to stand by him now until the end of the season, he's spent the money, assembled a large average (ability not physically) squad and we are into the last couple of months.

However, the board should be deciding NOW if they have confidence for him to carry on next season. What we do not need is sacrificing the first half of next season proving if he is or is not the one. He's had the money, backing and time along with his past record to give the board enough evidence as to weather he is the one!

So if the board need to decide (if they haven't already) if they are confident in the manager the fans need to do the same. OK we can't change him but the fans opinion is important.

If the players sense the crowds lack of confidence it makes them nervous at their game is affected. It's no coincidence that Barnsley and Peterborough have won all their 8 combined games since sacking the manager. It's a fact of life, sacking the football manager can have a positive effect on a club! Keeping a manager in place that does not have the full confidence of the board, fans and players is a recipe for staying where we are.

 

[HolmesfieldBlade]

Yes - unless we fail to get promotion to the championship via the playoffs this year.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

It's a fact of life, sacking the football manager can have a positive effect on a club! .

The club SACKED Danny Wilson and put Morgan in charge - I suppose that worked too?

UTB

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Because, as I and others have said before the fans opinion is important. I successful club has a manager that is backed by the board, players and fans.

There is a lot of debate at the moment regarding should he be sacked / shouldn't he be sacked. For me we have just past the rubicon for this season. If he were to go it should have been January at the latest. I think we have to stand by him now until the end of the season, he's spent the money, assembled a large average (ability not physically) squad and we are into the last couple of months.

However, the board should be deciding NOW if they have confidence for him to carry on next season. What we do not need is sacrificing the first half of next season proving if he is or is not the one. He's had the money, backing and time along with his past record to give the board enough evidence as to weather he is the one!

So if the board need to decide (if they haven't already) if they are confident in the manager the fans need to do the same. OK we can't change him but the fans opinion is important.

If the players sense the crowds lack of confidence it makes them nervous at their game is affected. It's no coincidence that Barnsley and Peterborough have won all their 8 combined games since sacking the manager. It's a fact of life, sacking the football manager can have a positive effect on a club! Keeping a manager in place that does not have the full confidence of the board, fans and players is a recipe for staying where we are.

So we start to change the culture of the club from top to bottom for the first time in living memory and because it doesn't happen as quick as a Macadees drive thru' we bin it, God help us.

 

[travellingblade]

Yes, without a doubt.

 

[Blade56]

The club SACKED Danny Wilson and put Morgan in charge - I suppose that worked too?

UTB

Obviously it didn't but I the more important thing is that we sacked Morgan and put Nigel Clough in charge, has that worked?

We are struggling to stay in the play offs even though he has had 10+ the funds, resources and support that most in this division

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Yes but the early part of next season, new pitch and all, needs to be sufficiently good that thoughts of replacing him by Christmas are banished.

Otherwise he has until May 2016 for me

 

[Fulwood Blade]

put Nigel Clough in charge, has that worked?

But to counteract your argument - it might not be working as we all want - but it is working to a degree. The Clough project is in a poor state of affairs after the last 2 home games, but yet another kneejerk fan reaction will be no good whatsoever.

We are still 5th and in playoff positions. We should regroup and go again.

This debate should be at season end, not now.

UTB

 

[JJ Sefton]

I'm sure he's the right man for a job.

 

[Bladesway]

Yes but I am starting to wonder what the fuck they actually do in training and why we are trying to play a passing game on a ploughed field. He has to be questioned on that!

 

[YES Blade]

The club SACKED Danny Wilson and put Morgan in charge - I suppose that worked too?

UTB

Wednesday sacked Megson and put Jones in charge.
Huddersfield sacked Clark and put Grayson in charge.

Both moves worked for them, so it's not like keeping a manager is the only way to succeed.

The way I look at it is that I do not think Clough would get us promoted even if he was here for another 10 years. So we might as well give a new bloke the rest of the season cause it gives us a better chance of going up than Clough.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

No. Completely changed my mind in the last few weeks.

I think we have a very good squad and the way in which we set up is holding us back. Throwing away too many points needlessly for it to be due to bad luck and we have seen too many great performances against good teams for it to be about the players.

He deserves a chance to finish the season and try to get up via the playoffs. If he fails then it's time in my opinion.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

But to counteract your argument - it might not be working as we all want - but it is working to a degree. The Clough project is in a poor state of affairs after the last 2 home games, but yet another kneejerk fan reaction will be no good whatsoever.

We are still 5th and in playoff positions. We should regroup and go again.

This debate should be at season end, not now.

UTB

Fulwood , i do agree that the debate should be at the end of the season. However the board are in a situation of they are dammed if they do , dammed if they don't scenario with the Clough debate . If it was anybody else with not having the name Clough , i think he would be out of the door . The board and fans aspirations , and i am sure his mandate was promotion . Nothing more , nothing less .

Whilst we are in the business end of the season , we should be consolidating with consistent performances and confidence for the final run in . The question is , are we finding our level now , of what we really are . Over achieving average league 1 side , who are going to tail off , with the promotion push and finish 7th / 8th .

We have no room for manoeuvre and point in the bag contingency , with a bit of breathing space , between us and the teams up and running behind us.

Although i am very pro Clough , i am beginning to fear the worst , and not seen anything in the last 4 games to change my mind. More negatives than positives , which will no doubt be discussed behind closed doors , in the board room , at some point in the future , if not already taken place.

In any form of business , this season , and inept performances can only be deemed to be unacceptable. Do we act now before its too late , that is the dilemma , the board have , and forget Morgan , the feel good factor , and he is a blade / ex captain / talisman , went from me long ago.

We are still 5th , but i doubt if we can regroup , what we have and getting , imo will not change . The players looked shot , and Clough and co have run out of ideas. We have a problem , but no solution .

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[Bergen Blade]

After a Saturday game, players have Sunday off, then meet for light restitution training on Monday where they are supposed to also turn into a well worked unit defensively and offensively, in a specific (new) tactical set up, with the new lads thrown in, before the match the next day.

I think the likes of Brayford, Coutts, Done, Davies and Adams will eventually become good players for us, but we should keep in mind the context we expect them to perform in, a struggling team which didn't get things right in the summer and have continuously tried to rectify stuff that's not working.

We've hoped that it would help that many of them have played under Clough before, but there's little evidence of that so far.

Although we've eventually got some of our summer targets I think we are still paying the price of our poor pre season.

 

[Blade56]

After a Saturday game, players have Sunday off, then meet for light restitution training on Monday where they are supposed to also turn into a well worked unit defensively and offensively, in a specific (new) tactical set up, with the new lads thrown in, before the match the next day.

I think the likes of Brayford, Coutts, Done, Davies and Adams will eventually become good players for us, but we should keep in mind the context we expect them to perform in, a struggling team which didn't get things right in the summer and have continuously tried to rectify stuff that's not working.

We've hoped that it would help that many of them have played under Clough before, but there's little evidence of that so far.

Although we've eventually got some of our summer targets I think we are still paying the price of our poor pre season.

One of the problems of using so many previous signins is that the only ones available are the ones no one else wants. It also says to me there is a lack of scouting in our club.

 

[grafikhaus]

The club SACKED Danny Wilson and put Morgan in charge - I suppose that worked too?

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I think what Blade56 means is that there is often - although not always - an immediate positive effect when a new manager comes in.

What I do know is that there is no recorded instance of a distinctly average manager suddenly, after 16 months, finding the 'magic ingredient.' He's been given all the tools. The excuses are wearing thin.

I'll reiterate, sacking Clough now is not an option. He has - quite foolishly - been allowed to build his own empire and is now 'too big to fail.' We can only hope he swallows his pride and listens to the overwhelming clamour that is growing. Not holding my breath.

I've said earlier that there's bugger all out there who would guarantee returning us to the Championship. Just watched the serially-useless Ian Holloway explaining why Millwall have only won 5 home games out of the last 29.

'Stronger together. That's the club motto.'

Where do they find these arseholes? Do directors and boards not practice due diligence before handing these blokes the keys to the castle?

 

[Silent Blade]

Wednesday sacked Megson and put Jones in charge.
Huddersfield sacked Clark and put Grayson in charge.

Both moves worked for them, so it's not like keeping a manager is the only way to succeed.

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We sacked Wilson and put Morgan in charge and this didnt work for us

If we sack Clough then who would want to manage us? Maybe the likes of Dave Hockaday

 

[Fiery Blade]

Perhaps we need an Osteopath - To put some back bone into the weak lilly livered excuses of players that swan around BDTBL every home game !

 

[YES Blade]

We sacked Wilson and put Morgan in charge and this didnt work for us

If we sack Clough then who would want to manage us? Maybe the likes of Dave Hockaday

Maybe someone who has more football league promotions on his CV than Clough. Shouldn't be that difficult to find, he only needs one!

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

After a Saturday game, players have Sunday off, then meet for light restitution training on Monday where they are supposed to also turn into a well worked unit defensively and offensively, in a specific (new) tactical set up, with the new lads thrown in, before the match the next day.

I think the likes of Brayford, Coutts, Done, Davies and Adams will eventually become good players for us, but we should keep in mind the context we expect them to perform in, a struggling team which didn't get things right in the summer and have continuously tried to rectify stuff that's not working.

We've hoped that it would help that many of them have played under Clough before, but there's little evidence of that so far.

Although we've eventually got some of our summer targets I think we are still paying the price of our poor pre season.

Bergen , agree , but all this is down to one person and one person only - Clough.

To move things forward and carry on the Derby connection . To prevent a exedous of players and a boat load of dosh , what do we do if promotion is not acheived , and Clough gets the boot or walks .

It has to be a ex Derby manager or player to take the reigns , to carry on the Clough legacy.

UTB

 

[Bladesway]

Wednesday sacked Megson and put Jones in charge.
Huddersfield sacked Clark and put Grayson in charge.

Both moves worked for them, so it's not like keeping a manager is the only way to succeed.

The way I look at it is that I do not think Clough would get us promoted even if he was here for another 10 years. So we might as well give a new bloke the rest of the season cause it gives us a better chance of going up than Clough.

No but changing doesn't work for us. I can't begin to explain why but it just doesn't. We sacked Wilson and look what happened, we sacked Blackwell and look what happened. FFS how we sacked someone as limited as Blackwell and still bombed is beyond me but that is the truth.

Also, Warnock on the back of a couple of Cup Semis early on and a tilt at the play offs got several years to get us promoted so why not give the guy a solid chance?

We steer the course for this season and then see how next season starts. Daft thing is many had given up on Warnock the season before we got promoted and look how that ended.

I think football is an utter clusterfuck of a situation for a manager. Armchair generals dictate how long you have even though they actually have no experience of how to do the job themselves. Our attention span appears to be getting shorter so do the managers life expectancy in a job.

 

[Bladesway]

After a Saturday game, players have Sunday off, then meet for light restitution training on Monday where they are supposed to also turn into a well worked unit defensively and offensively, in a specific (new) tactical set up, with the new lads thrown in, before the match the next day.

I think the likes of Brayford, Coutts, Done, Davies and Adams will eventually become good players for us, but we should keep in mind the context we expect them to perform in, a struggling team which didn't get things right in the summer and have continuously tried to rectify stuff that's not working.

We've hoped that it would help that many of them have played under Clough before, but there's little evidence of that so far.

Although we've eventually got some of our summer targets I think we are still paying the price of our poor pre season.

Well summed up Bergen, theres more to it than assembling eleven randoms who appear to be decent players and getting them to kick a ball around.

 

[Silent Blade]

Maybe someone who has more football league promotions on his CV than Clough. Shouldn't be that difficult to find, he only needs one!

We would have to pay off Clough and his staff which would be very expensive meaning that we will have very little to offer in wages and transfer funds (we may have to sell more than buy) to the next manager. No manager with a proven track record would come to us so the likes of Dave Hockaday would come to us

 

[YES Blade]

No but changing doesn't work for us. I can't begin to explain why but it just doesn't. We sacked Wilson and look what happened, we sacked Blackwell and look what happened. FFS how we sacked someone as limited as Blackwell and still bombed is beyond me but that is the truth.

Also, Warnock on the back of a couple of Cup Semis early on and a tilt at the play offs got several years to get us promoted so why not give the guy a solid chance?

We steer the course for this season and then see how next season starts. Daft thing is many had given up on Warnock the season before we got promoted and look how that ended.

I think football is an utter clusterfuck of a situation for a manager. Armchair generals dictate how long you have even though they actually have no experience of how to do the job themselves. Our attention span appears to be getting shorter so do the managers life expectancy in a job.

The differences between Clough and Warnock are huge.

- Warnock had already proven he could win promotion at numberous other clubs.
- In the seasons after the triple assault, Warnock wasn't working with the biggest budget in the division.

It all comes down to budget, if you have a average budget then you can get away with average results. With a big budget, the manager must be successful or he plays the price. We are a Chelsea/Man City in League One terms, so if they aren't happy with 5th in the Prem why should we be happy with 5th in League One?

Going back to Warnock, one thing I am certain about is if he was our manager this season with this budget, we would piss this league!

 

[Bladesway]

The differences between Clough and Warnock are huge.

- Warnock had already proven he could win promotion at numberous other clubs.
- In the seasons after the triple assault, Warnock wasn't working with the biggest budget in the division.

It all comes down to budget, if you have a average budget then you can get away with average results. With a big budget, the manager must be successful or he plays the price. We are a Chelsea/Man City in League One terms, so if they aren't happy with 5th in the Prem why should we be happy with 5th in League One?

Going back to Warnock, one thing I am certain about is if he was our manager this season with this budget, we would piss this league!

Warnock had us playing the most unappealing and awful football the season before we got promoted. I among many wanted him sacked for all the reasons people want Clough sacked now. All the relatives are there. If you choose to ignore them to suit your own agenda then fine. I would suggest like so many you just want a head on a plate to make you feel better. Our manager is in his first full season with the team right now. We are in a play off position yes? So that would suggest that while things haven't been brilliant we can still get promoted. Wouldn't you agree this at least? So what do we do, repeat what we did 2 seasons ago, sack Clough, unsettle the entire team and do what? We are a half decent team in the third division of English football in case you hadn't noticed. There will not be a queue of people wanting to take control.

If we repeat the utter madness of the Wilson sacking with Clough then we will end up in a worse position. Potential managers will see us as a basket case club with fans who throw their teddies out the cot and a reactionary board who just pull the trigger even when the team is in the top 6. No one with a brain will want to touch the career ruiner that is Sheffield United.