VAR Vote

[71Blade]

Not a chance in a million years will 14 out of the 20 clubs vote against it. I really hope they do so fans in stadiums can go back to celebrating goals and slagging off referees. Var is fine for TV watching fans which to be fair is what the Premier League wants. As the old saying goes I'll bear my backside in wooly's window if they scrap it.

 

[metalblade]

Never mind asking the clubs to vote on it listen to the fans who pay their money to watch games live most want it scrapped as our poll would suggest by close on 80%

 

[FTPE]

Never mind asking the clubs to vote on it listen to the fans who pay their money to watch games live most want it scrapped as our poll would suggest by close on 80%

I genuinely can't believe almost 100 people on here want to keep it!
I'd bin it just for the immediate goal celebration killing alone.

 

[Inter_blade83]

It has to be kept. Automated offsides. And the VAR in the room doesn't make decisions, but just tells the ref on the pitch to go look at something on the screen he has.

That's all that needs to happen to make this work

 

[Bartleby]

I don't think they actually give a fuck about the fans who watch games live, it's about it being exciting for the global TV audience.

 

[FTPE]

It has to be kept. Automated offsides. And the VAR in the room doesn't make decisions, but just tells the ref on the pitch to go look at something on the screen he has.

That's all that needs to happen to make this work

SoUnDs FuN, FaST AnD eXciTing.
just play Fifa if you want automated decisions and replays.

 

[Inter_blade83]

SoUnDs FuN, FaST AnD eXciTing.
just play Fifa if you want automated decisions and replays.

No, you just take away the human error put of it. They do thus in other countries. It's quite simple and it works.

 

[FTPE]

No, you just take away the human error put of it. They do thus in other countries. It's quite simple and it works.

Why get rid of human error? Soon we will play under roofs so the wind and rain doesn't interfere either.

 

[The Fox]

I wouldn't have brought it in in the 1st place but now it's here ,it's here to stay but definitely needs refining and improving .
As people have stated , offside coming down to millimetres is just silly , anything subjective should be the pitch referee's decision ( as it is in theory ) .
My main reason for retaining it is that we've always had the view the smaller clubs don't get decisions particularly away from home . In theory it redresses that to a degree, not altogether but it's better than it was in adressing that argument.

 

[snb69]

Keep it simple

On field ref makes a decision. VAR can only advise on clear and obvious errors (if you can't spot it in 30 seconds, it ain't clear and obvious)

Offside is based on position of feet (the clue is in the name of the sport), and any doubt in favour of attackers

Every other sport manages more effective video assistance

 

[Stand United]

Will we get a vote?

The PL AGM is where we’ll officially hand our share back to the league along with the other 2 clubs. It’ll be the 3 promoted clubs that will vote on this.

 

[jt64]

Not a chance in a million years will 14 out of the 20 clubs vote against it. I really hope they do so fans in stadiums can go back to celebrating goals and slagging off referees.

Nothing has stopped me doing this right now, apart from that our team are shit

 

[Maidenhead]

I wouldn't have brought it in in the 1st place but now it's here ,it's here to stay but definitely needs refining and improving .
As people have stated , offside coming down to millimetres is just silly , anything subjective should be the pitch referee's decision ( as it is in theory ) .
My main reason for retaining it is that we've always had the view the smaller clubs don't get decisions particularly away from home . In theory it redresses that to a degree, not altogether but it's better than it was in adressing that argument.

The problem is that offside is a matter of fact, not opinion.

No matter how small the margin, offside is offside.

It doesn't matter how much you tweak the lines, or the rules/guidelines there will still be marginal decisions and offside will still be offside.

I prefer the old system where if you have a doubt then you glance at the linesman (sorry assistant referee) and if the flag's down it's a goal.

Of course mistakes happen, but mistakes are a part of the game. Without players making mistakes the game would be boring.

Why should officials be exempt?

 

[TJ blade]

I genuinely can't believe almost 100 people on here want to keep it!
I'd bin it just for the immediate goal celebration killing alone.

They probably don't go mate, it gives em time to nip and make a cup of tea before the decisions been made.

 

[The Fox]

The problem is that offside is a matter of fact, not opinion.

No matter how small the margin, offside is offside.

It doesn't matter how much you tweak the lines, or the rules/guidelines there will still be marginal decisions and offside will still be offside.

I prefer the old system where if you have a doubt then you glance at the linesman (sorry assistant referee) and if the flag's down it's a goal.

Of course mistakes happen, but mistakes are a part of the game. Without players making mistakes the game would be boring.

Why should officials be exempt?

I agree that mistakes on playing and officiating are part of the game abd always will be .
My issue with the very fine margin offsides is that we can't conclude its factual when it comes down to millimetres. The position of the var cameras, the frame speed and knowing the actual moment at which the ball leaves the foot of the player passing to an "offside player" leaves a margin of error which is more than the toenail decisions we sometimes see . Granted its the same for all but its still inconclusive . Is a player whose toe is an inch offside really seeking to gain an advantage? I'd agree with some that thicker lines would help ,if the lines touch or overlap it's within a margin of error and the player is onside .
It's a bit like umpires call in LBW , even if some of the ball on appeal and ball tracking is hitting the stumps ,it's considered within the margin of error and the umpires call stands . Its admitting that whilst we have technology its not totally conclusive .
Just my thoughts but it's a good debate

 

[Colombia Blade]

I've said it before but all they need to do is get rid of the offside lines and let the ref or video refs look and decide if it's obviously offside. If they have a doubt, like in court, they give the goal.

 

[XH536]

Referees and Linesman were 97% accurate pre introduction of VAR.

Is the controversy, the reduced excitement when a goal is scored, the delays, really worth the 3%?

No

 

[Agreasychipbutty]

I've said it before but all they need to do is get rid of the offside lines and let the ref or video refs look and decide if it's obviously offside. If they have a doubt, like in court, they give the goal.

Agreed, although I would say instead of always giving the attacker the benefit of the doubt I would go with whatever the lino said. ie don't change the on field decision to/from a goal unless its immediately obvious that the lino was wrong

 

[XH536]

Was football really that bad before VAR though?

NNNNNNNNNNNo,

 

[dexter101]

I wouldn't scrap VAR, it just needs to be implemented in a better way for black and white decisions and let the referees deal with rest of the game.

I do also think that we accepted errors before (I mean I know we moan about them, see Hand of God...) but I think its become such a big thing because of how much money is at stake. a business losing out on loads of money over an error by one person isn't acceptable in the world we live in.

 

[TopBoy]

VAR is perfect for cricket but was not needed for football. It was sold to us as a solution to "clear and obvious" errors, the kind you see once or twice a season. The wrong player being sent off, intentional handball like Henry vs Ireland—that kind of incident. It is being used for every foul in the box and every goal. VAR adds nothing positive whatsoever. Bin the fucker.

 

[Davalon]

Whilst the facts will show it gets far more decisions right than wrong (as it bloody should obviously despite some being objective), the amount that are questionable each week make a mockery for me.

Offsides need to move to daylight between players or something similar for me for starters. Wherever the boundary line is will always cause some argument but the current big toe/nob end thing is laughable. Nobody can time a run on that basis.

As for penalties, you only need to go back to last night to see the problem. Looks a good tackle by Casemiro in real time but on replay Amrabat clearly trips Gordon first. If he doesn't, you can argue he has the chance to nip the ball past Casemiro first, even if that should be a consideration anyway.

Then add in the delays, the inconsistency in the grounds of not always knowing what's happening, the offside decisions made whilst watching tv that don't always show the lines despite it clearly being very close (whilst others less close are), and the one that annoys most of us - being able to celebrate properly.

 

[Blade45]

VAR would be a great tool if England didn't have the worst and most stubborn referees, who would deliberately give an incorrect decision so their other referee friend didn't get their feelings hurt. Taking away the joy of a last-minute winner, just to end up cheering with less enthusiasm 5 minutes later removes the human emotional element of football. Hope the clubs vote to remove it, as most of their fans want to remove it.

 

[Colombia Blade]

VAR is perfect for cricket but was not needed for football. It was sold to us as a solution to "clear and obvious" errors, the kind you see once or twice a season. The wrong player being sent off, intentional handball like Henry vs Ireland—that kind of incident. It is being used for every foul in the box and every goal. VAR adds nothing positive whatsoever. Bin the fucker.

Instead of binning it, why not just use it exactly for what you just said? - clear and obvious errors

 

[Paul1963]

I’ve always been of the opinion that the referees never wanted var and the whole shitshow has been orchestrated to get rid of it,maybe they are gonna get their way

 

[YES Blade]

I always find the moans about VAR for offsides really strange. Fans have no issue with the ball being over or on the line by a millimetre for goal decisions yet then moan about being only a bit offside. No one ever says the ball was only a millimetre short so let’s give a goal.

If they start using referee judgements for how much tolerance is ok for onside/offside it will be a complete farce. The same people moaning about the toe nail offsides will be moaning about the big clubs getting all the offside decisions.

It’s simple, a player is either onside or offside! Just use VAR quicker and more efficiently to get to the correct decision!

 

[Booker4]

The marginal offside decisions is what kills VSR mainly. If they could just make it that it has to be daylight for VAR to intervene, otherwise its the linsemans call then that would make it so much easier.

 

[YES Blade]

The marginal offside decisions is what kills VSR mainly. If they could just make it that it has to be daylight for VAR to intervene, otherwise its the linsemans call then that would make it so much easier.

You could have a situation where two goals are scored, one for each team, that are very similar but one is given and the other isn’t due to linesman’s call.

It just seems pointless using VAR if it’s just going to come down to if the linesman raises his flag or not.

 

[dsr-burnley]

The problem is that offside is a matter of fact, not opinion.

No matter how small the margin, offside is offside.

It doesn't matter how much you tweak the lines, or the rules/guidelines there will still be marginal decisions and offside will still be offside.

I prefer the old system where if you have a doubt then you glance at the linesman (sorry assistant referee) and if the flag's down it's a goal.

Of course mistakes happen, but mistakes are a part of the game. Without players making mistakes the game would be boring.

Why should officials be exempt?

Except that it isn't. There have always been 3 possible states of existence for the attacker. In front of the defender, benind the defender, or level with the defender. "Level2 is not, and never has been, and is not intended to be an infintitely small distance. Remember 1990 when they changed the law to say level was onside instead of offside? They expilicitly said it was to give the attacker an advantage and to encourage more goals. Nowadays they would have you believe that they actually meant an advantage of a millionth of an inch. They did not mean that. "Level" means, in practice, too close to call with the naked eye.

And even if the law as it stands does mean that level is to be judged to the millionth of an inch, then why not change it back to the 1990 law? After all, suppose the VAR offside interpretation had been put to the powers-that be honestly. It would go somethnig like this.

"Boss - remember how 30 years ago they changed the law to allow more goals by saying that level was onside? Well - I've found a way to change it back half way, so that half those extra goals are disallowed. What we have to do is introduce technology to judge offside by the millimetre. We will have to have long delays of up to five munites during the game, and it will become impossible to celebrate goals wholeheartedly because we won't know until kick-off whether the goal has been given, and the linesman will have to wave play on when he is intending to give offside later, but we will be able to disallow all those goals,"

And hopefully, the boss would have asked why disallowing goals is a good ambition, and tell him to sling his hook.

If they must have VAR for offside, then give the VAR man a still photo and see if he can tell the linesman is wrong. If 5 seconds later he is still looking, then the linesman is right.

 

[dsr-burnley]

I always find the moans about VAR for offsides really strange. Fans have no issue with the ball being over or on the line by a millimetre for goal decisions yet then moan about being only a bit offside. No one ever says the ball was only a millimetre short so let’s give a goal.

If they start using referee judgements for how much tolerance is ok for onside/offside it will be a complete farce. The same people moaning about the toe nail offsides will be moaning about the big clubs getting all the offside decisions.

It’s simple, a player is either onside or offside! Just use VAR quicker and more efficiently to get to the correct decision!

They haven't got the technology and never will have.

Look at the Olympic Games. They have to judge who crosses the line first, on a fixed line with static cameras and two runners going in the same direction. And if their torsos cross at the same time, they call it level.

If that was an offside decision, they wouldn't call it level. They would look at toes, knees, an undefined point of the arm where handball ceases to apply. They're taking it to absurd degrees. If it was suggested that some authorities were taking the rule to ridiculous levels to prove how stupid it is, I could almost believe it.