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[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

So we have to unravel Ravel
Think it will be an astute bit of business

I think Wilder will revel in unravelling Ravel

 

[Manuel Azaña]

How many of us on here have walked a mile in Ravel's shoes?

 

[Snowman]

Morrison isn’t a journeyman, he’s someone with massive talent/ potential but wasted it due to his attitude.

I’d say his signing has more similarities to Ched Evans.
Someone who potentially could be our best player and easily good enough for the PL.
The key word is “potentially” because he could also end up a waster. So as long as any contract is performances based, then we don’t lose much.

And look how well Cheddy worked out!!!!!!

 

[Sheffsteel]

Call me a slasher, hater etc but I'm very, very worried if that's our strategy.

Scrap around for some championship players and cast-offs 'with a point to prove'? We'll be very lucky to reach 20 points let alone 40 at this rate. This strategy has worked wonders for us before, and who knows it may again and I pray I'm wrong and that this gets bumped back up in May, but this is the PL and is totally different.

Very worried.

If we do survive this way Wilder will have to go down as one of the greatest football manager's in footballing history.

When we went up to the Championship we were told it’s like La Liga and is a massive step up from league 1.
Wilders policy was to bring in the best players from league 1 and (regards Enda) league 2.
Many were worried that we’d be relegated but we comfortably finished mid table.

During the 1st season in the PL, I think the best policy is to do the same, bring in the best Championship players with a hunger to make the step up.

Another advantage of this is< if we do get relegated first season, then we’ll have a fantastic squad of players who have seen it and done it in the Championship.

Regards Morrison....I doubt the club are pinning any hopes on him.
Think of Morrison in a similar vein to the Ched re-signing. We should all temper any excite ent because he’s low cost and likely to fail.
However if Morrison gets his head, attitude and fitness right, then he could end up being our best player, so he is worth a gamble.

 

[Sheffsteel]

And look how well Cheddy worked out!!!!!!

Agree. That was a low cost gamble that failed, not because Ched isn’t any good but more about we had better players.
Ravel Morrison is also a low cost gamble that many experts predict is also likely to fail.
Still worth taking though because sometimes these gambles can work, then you hit the jackpot.

 

[GrayBlade]

Surprised at Morrison. Isn’t he the kind of journeyman that Wilder doesn’t normally want?

He’s only 26. Plenty

Surprised at Morrison. Isn’t he the kind of journeyman that Wilder doesn’t normally want?

He’s still only 26. Plenty of time for Wilder to turn him around

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Hopefully his head is already right now, he's at that age where he needs to be fulfilling his potential. Wilder is that type of manager, ya best mate arm around the shoulder type that will hype you up and give you the belief.

It's then up to him. End of the day, he proves himself, he probably earns a move and a mega salary within a season.

I think we need a bit of control around the superlatives.
He will never fulfill the potential he had as a kid, what he can do is fulfil more of it than he has done so far.
However, for us he could be a modern day legend, similar to Zaha at Palace becoming our talisman in establishing ourselves in this league and therefore our immediate and medium term future as the No1 team in the city.
Depends if that’s enough for him, but the club and fans have caused plenty to fall in love with it before.

 

[Mouth of the South]

If it comes off successfully it will feel fairly unique. Can anyone think of any equivalent player that at 26 had barely 50 starts to their name and yet went on to have a successful career? I can’t think of one in any of the 4 divisions, let alone the top tier.

I don't think any quite meet your criteria but an interesting read on some late developers. Tbh the only one I knew about was Ian Wright

Rags to Riches: 9 of Football's Late Bloomers

Most of today's top footballers are spotted from a young age and are usually teenagers when they sign professional terms at a top-flight club. There are a few...

www.90min.com

 

[Wright1889]

How many of us on here have walked a mile in Ravel's shoes?

Alright Eminem calm down

 

[Working Class Hero]

noun
noun: journeyman; plural noun: journeymen

1. 1.
   a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding.

I definitely wouldn't call Ravel Morrison a journeyman!

 

[Wright1889]

If wilder can do what he did to McGoldrick, then there is nothing wrong with being interested and a little excited with what he can do with Ravel who Sir Alex says is the best raw talent he has ever seen and pretty much every manager since has said.

Wilders man management is one of his best attributes, from what I can gather.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I don't think any quite meet your criteria but an interesting read on some late developers. Tbh the only one I knew about was Ian Wright

Rags to Riches: 9 of Football's Late Bloomers

Most of today's top footballers are spotted from a young age and are usually teenagers when they sign professional terms at a top-flight club. There are a few...

www.90min.com

I see where you’re coming from, but I think Wright was more a late bloomer than a late career-saver. Wright was 21 when he turned professional and 23 by the time he’d passed what is Morrison’s total number of career starts. If Morrison works out well he can be added to our most unique player thread.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

How many of us on here have walked a mile in Ravel's shoes?

As much as I think he is/was a good player and as much as I think our interest in him is spot on & worth the risk. The reason why he is in his current situation, is that despite the help of a lot of people, RM has acted like a dickhead & not chosen his company wisely. I hope that at 26 and after seeing what other less talented players have achieved, and seemingly been offered a magical opportunity with us, he seizes it with both hands. He has 6 years left of a career that should now be peaking. It isn't, it's just starting. If on the other hand, he acts the dick & starts knocking about with his mates in Manchester, then he won't last long at BDTBL.

 

[Nesh Blade]

Up to date video of Ravel Morrison at Atlas

 

[BushBlade]

Morrison grew up in a very rough area and knocked about with gangsters. He’s lacked guidance as a kid and Man U found it hard to drill into him how to live his life right. That’s why he went to West Ham, as they thought getting away from Manchester and his ‘mates’ would help him.
It didn’t, although I’m not entirely surprised when you’ve got people like Carroll at West Ham.

The key thing is what’s going on in his head. Has he finally woken up and realised he’s got one last chance to be a top player earning big money? I had big doubts over Adams when he left. I actually predicted that as soon as things got hard at Brum, he’d sulk, put on weight and end up in the lower divisions. Instead, he’s flourished. Granted, he’s younger than Morrison but it can take some people longer to wise up to the realities of life. Sometimes you need a proper kick up the arse from life for you to see what’s going on.

If he ‘passes’ the trial and we sign him, then I’ll accept Wilder’s judgement. If we bomb him out, I’ll understand why.

 

[Bert]

I don't think any quite meet your criteria but an interesting read on some late developers. Tbh the only one I knew about was Ian Wright

Rags to Riches: 9 of Football's Late Bloomers

Most of today's top footballers are spotted from a young age and are usually teenagers when they sign professional terms at a top-flight club. There are a few...

www.90min.com

Tony Book, Manchester City.

 

[Bristol Blade]

Call me a slasher, hater etc but I'm very, very worried if that's our strategy.

Scrap around for some championship players and cast-offs 'with a point to prove'? We'll be very lucky to reach 20 points let alone 40 at this rate. This strategy has worked wonders for us before, and who knows it may again and I pray I'm wrong and that this gets bumped back up in May, but this is the PL and is totally different.

Very worried.

If we do survive this way Wilder will have to go down as one of the greatest football manager's in footballing history.

Have absolutely nothing personal against Wilder and would love him to succeed but as we all know its a results based business and we can't let sentimentality get in the way if removing him from his position is the right thing to do of course. On the plus side he seems a man of integrity so may well fall on his sword and not take compensation should things fail.

Obviously he needs time and support which is ironic considering the title of this thread but I think we should break this season into small chunks to see where we are. Others might disagree but I'd go with something like this:

Whatever happens he should get at least six more league games but if after then, either at that point or any other point beyond that, we are in the relegation zone he should go. If we are in the lower bottom half by Christmas and we have an adequate replacement and January plan he should go.

I would hope that there are some contingency plans in place for a new manager as club protocol. Personally I would go for a manager who has recent league 1 success and experience such as Chris Powell or Steve Cotterill.

But as I said, I REALLY hope it doesn't come to this but having been today we are a side that has too many poor league one players, and when you have poor league one players coupled with poor tactics you finish in a poor position in league one which is not acceptable considering the budget and pre-season expectation. Despite the problems (both on and off the pitch, for another thread) we can't allow a Micky Adams 2 and this squad should not be relegation material, but sadly this feels very like history repeating itself.

Let's hope he and the playing staff can turn things around, and fast. In the meantime as challenging as it is let's try to do as much as we can to support them.

UTB

If it does destroy our season it could destroy our club, could see players sold too old and league one in 18 months.

It's happened before it could happen again.

Ridiculous. Yes I'm upset, I would be delighted to be proved wrong, really feels like it.

IF we get promoted:

I wouldn't mind if we didn't sign a single player for the entirety of next season because:

1. The current squad all deserve their chance in the PL without anyone new getting in the way, who could also disrupt the harmony

2. That means we use the money to:

a) Pay off all the outstanding debts

b) upgrade the stadium where needs be, plus scouting infrastructure, academy etc for the next generation

c) Save up for the 2020-2021 campaign and long term be financially stable and/or independent of McCabe

3. I'd be genuinely interested to see how far this current group can actually go

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Last thing I'd want us to do is to risk blowing it on a load of crap and struggle thereafter like Fulham have done/will have to

What odds did you get [on us getting relegated]?

Feeling 'tempted'

I look forward to next season, but I do worry that we are asking a lot of players to step up from league one/two and there's no guarantee we'll make it.

Forgive me if I don't pay much attention to your opinions.

 

[William Large]

Forgive me if I don't pay much attention to your opinions.

Bit more eloquently put than I was planning.... !

 

[Houso]

I do wonder at what point FM will think "Right, I'm feeling a little concerned today. Should I PANIC and tell everyone on S24SU about how it will DESTROY US? Or should I calm the fuck down and just remember the times I've unnecessarily wet myself in the past?"

Mate, trust that Wilder is a better football manager than Football Manager.

 

[Grappler]

Up to date video of Ravel Morrison at Atlas

Seems to ride a challenge well, and stays on his feet (more often than not) when being tackled, let's see what CW and AK make of him, and if they think he is good enough for us, even as cover or a bench option, it would be fine by me.

As for the lad himself, as I have said, I have not seen enough of him to comment, but as BushBlade says, the lad must surely know that this is probably his last chance of playing in the big league, and being on global TV. If that isn't enough to motivate a young player, then he is "lost", basically.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Call me a slasher, hater etc but I'm very, very worried if that's our strategy.

Scrap around for some championship players and cast-offs 'with a point to prove'? We'll be very lucky to reach 20 points let alone 40 at this rate. This strategy has worked wonders for us before, and who knows it may again and I pray I'm wrong and that this gets bumped back up in May, but this is the PL and is totally different.

Very worried.

If we do survive this way Wilder will have to go down as one of the greatest football manager's in footballing history.

What's your alternative strategy ?

 

[Boxer Blade]

To here the news Wilder has offered morrison a contract and it has been accepted would be fantastic, it could be a brilliant signing and a player we are all raving about next season, a player to get you out of your seat and there aren't many of them around, look at the positives if it don't work out well, like any other player, move on.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

What's your alternative strategy ?

It will involve Ched Evans I would hazard a guess

 

[Oreyt]

Also, 26, younger than i thought.

 

[boss hog]

If he's offered a deal wilder will have it weighted heavily in the clubs favour, behavior and performance related it'll be firmly in Morrisons court to make it work.
Wilder will give players a chance if they show the right attitude but he doesn't suffer fools.

 

[sheffielder]

McCabe saw him in the youth cup and is forcing wilder to make this signing

 

[Woodwardfan]

I love watching skillful footballers. Quality matters at this level.

Welcome Luke Freeman - goals and assists - love it.

Welcome Ravel Morrison - this dressing room won't let you act like a tosser, nor will the manager, and the assistant manager will be your friend, confidant and mentor all in one- all together they are exactly what you need.

 

[FMBlade1]

I knew my comment would ruffle a few feathers, it was not my intention but that's what a forum is all about. If we didn't have skeptics this place would be very quiet. Now I've been wrong about various things and have overreacted, but then who the hell hasn't ever? I even bump up my own posts where I'm wrong!

As I said in this post:

What sort of players do we actually want?

The short answer is of course, whoever the management wants! It seems to me there's a bit of a divide on here for each 'type' of player we're linked with, the typical responses being as follows: 1. Foreign players (eg. Odegaard) = We don't sign them, they might not fit the harmony or the...

www.s24su.com

We are in a very tricky situation with regards to recruiting players. To quote what I said:

'We shouldn't be panicking by any means, but looking at the rumour mill I think we have to 'go with the flow' and see how it happens. Who would have thought Madine would have been a success after the meltdown on here..... we will have to take some gambles and compromise.'

I didn't join the Madine meltdown, and nor will I have one if Morrison signs and I stand by what I said. Nevertheless it's perfectly acceptable to be worried and feel underwhelmed.

My personal strategy? Well there's a reason I'm not the manager and profess no expertise but I would have had us looking into the foreign market more, and I've been saying it for years.

Wilder has proved that this was unnecessary thus far, great. But now when we need the scouting infrastructure we don't appear to have it.

To those who have said 'we've bridged these challenges before' I get that, and Wilder we trust etc. etc. For me however its a bit like saying just because we've sailed to America then Australia we can slightly modify the ship to sail to the moon.

(I hold nothing personal against anyone on here even if they do against me, but it feels like anyone who ever slightly doubts any decision/direction is cast as being a lesser Blade and stupid. I might be overreacting of course xD )

Anyway, back to Football Manager

 

[GrayBlade]

Call me a slasher, hater etc but I'm very, very worried if that's our strategy.

Scrap around for some championship players and cast-offs 'with a point to prove'? We'll be very lucky to reach 20 points let alone 40 at this rate. This strategy has worked wonders for us before, and who knows it may again and I pray I'm wrong and that this gets bumped back up in May, but this is the PL and is totally different.

Very worried.

If we do survive this way Wilder will have to go down as one of the greatest football manager's in footballing history.

Stick at it FM, you’ll get it right eventually kid.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

That’s the only similarity to be honest. There was no question about McGoldrick’s attitude or past ability, only his fitness. There are questions about Morrison’s ability, attitude and fitness that he’ll need to prove, and prove quickly.

What questions about ability , didnt alex ferguson say he was themost naturally gifted hes ever seen