United England WC squad

[programmechap]

This is interesting. Who would we pick for a United England WC squad. Criteria
1. Post war only (otherwise wed be picking loads from the 1890s)
2. No.loan players
3. Must be on the basis of their United record. So no Martin Peters, Phil Thompson etc.


Id go for

GK
Alan Hodgkinson
Ted Burgin
Simon Tracey

Defenders

Len Badger
Graham Shaw
Joe Shaw
Jack O'Connell
Harry Maguire
Kyle Walker
Phil Jagielka
Chris Basham

Midfielders
Tony Currie
Jimmy Hagan
Geoff Salmons
Colin Grainger
Dane Whitehouse
Harold Brook
Keith Eddy

Forwards
Mick Jones
Alan Birchenall
Brian Deane
James Beattie
Rob Hulse
Bill Dearden
Derek Pace
Alan Woodward

 

[programmechap]

I should add "consistent performers at the top level" is also a criteria. So no Keith Edwards, Colin Morris etc

(Yes, I know Walker, Maguire and Beattie didnt so that at United, but they did elsewhere AND showed that top.level form at the Lane, unlike Peters, Thompson etc)

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

How can you have Rob Hulse but not Tony Agana?

Agana has more top flight goals and appearances.

 

[DifferentClass]

How I hate that Dean Henderson was only a loan for us

 

[programmechap]

How can you have Rob Hulse but not Tony Agana?

Agana has more top flight goals and appearances.

Don't think he did on the goals. Agana had 6 over 1.5 seasons, Hulse 8 over 1 season.

Agana is arguable though, given his pre top flight record..

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Don't think he did on the goals. Agana had 6 over 1.5 seasons, Hulse 8 over 1 season.

Agana is arguable though, given his pre top flight record..

Having now looked it up, I think they both scored the same amount of top flight goals with 8.

I would've put money on Agana having scored more.

 

[programmechap]

Having now looked it up, I think they both scored the same amount of top flight goals with 8.

I would've put money on Agana having scored more.

Nah. Agana got 2 in 90-1 and 4 in 91-2. He got one in the League Cup in 90-1, which would take him to 7 in all competitions, but I'm pretty certain he didnt get an 8th

11/5/91 2 v Norwich H
17/9/91 1 v Notts county H
21/9/91 1 v Arsenal A
5/10/91 1 v Leeds A
19/10/91 1 v Forest H

The LC goal was home to Northampton on 10/10/90

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Nah. Agana got 2 in 90-1 and 4 in 91-2. He got one in the League Cup in 90-1, which would take him to 7 in all competitions, but I'm pretty certain he didnt get an 8th

11/5/91 2 v Norwich H
17/9/91 1 v Notts county H
21/9/91 1 v Arsenal A
5/10/91 1 v Leeds A
19/10/91 1 v Forest H

The LC goal was home to Northampton on 10/10/90

He scored 6 for us, 1 for Notts County and 1 for Watford.

 

[bibbity bobbity boo]

If Fulham have claimed Paul Parker can't we have him too?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

If Fulham have claimed Paul Parker can't we have him too?

He played most of his career for Fulham and only a handful of games for us so probably not.

Although I'm still not exactly sure what the criteria is.

 

[Silent Blade]

United had 34 England Internationals in their history. Number of caps when they were SUFC players. Who are the 8 to leave out to make the final cut of 26?

Bobby Barclay 3
Walter Bennett 2
Bob Benson 1
Arthur Brown 2
Alf Common 2
Tony Currie 7
Brian Deane 3
Bob Evans 4
Willie Foulke 1
Harold Gough 1
Colin Grainger 6
George Green 8
Jimmy Hagan 1
Walter Hardinge 1
George Hedley 1
Alan Hodgkinson 5
Rab Howell 1
Harry Johnson snr 6
Mick Jones 2
Harry Lilley 1
Bert Lipsham 1
Vince Matthews 2
David Mercer 2
Tommy Morren 1
Ernest Needham 16
Harold Pantling 1
Jack Pickering 1
Fred Priest 1
Graham Shaw 5
Albert Sturgess 2
Harry Thickett 2
Fred Tunstall 7
Michael Whitham 1
Bernard Wilkinson 1

 

[Richeee]

Jimmy hagan.....1 england cap..who kept him out of the team?..

 

[Silent Blade]

Jimmy hagan.....1 england cap..who kept him out of the team?..

16 war time caps but after the war, the selectors picked him only once. His face didnt fit?

 

[programmechap]

He scored 6 for us, 1 for Notts County and 1 for Watford.

I see. I was just going on his United record.

 

[programmechap]

United had 34 England Internationals in their history. Number of caps when they were SUFC players. Who are the 8 to leave out to make the final cut of 26?

Bobby Barclay 3
Walter Bennett 2
Bob Benson 1
Arthur Brown 2
Alf Common 2
Tony Currie 7
Brian Deane 3
Bob Evans 4
Willie Foulke 1
Harold Gough 1
Colin Grainger 6
George Green 8
Jimmy Hagan 1
Walter Hardinge 1
George Hedley 1
Alan Hodgkinson 5
Rab Howell 1
Harry Johnson snr 6
Mick Jones 2
Harry Lilley 1
Bert Lipsham 1
Vince Matthews 2
David Mercer 2
Tommy Morren 1
Ernest Needham 16
Harold Pantling 1
Jack Pickering 1
Fred Priest 1
Graham Shaw 5
Albert Sturgess 2
Harry Thickett 2
Fred Tunstall 7
Michael Whitham 1
Bernard Wilkinson 1

Ill do this on the basis of 3 GK 8 D 8MF 7 F

GK
Gough
Foulke
Hodgkinson

D
Green
Howell
Johnson
Matthews
Shaw
Sturgeon
Thickest
Wilkinson

MF (including wingers)
Currie
Grainger
Hagan
Hardinge
Mercer
Needham
Bennett
Lipsham

F
Brown
Common
Deane
Healey
Jones
Pickering
Tunstall

Missing out
Barclay
Benson
Evans
Howell
Lilley
Morren
Priest
Whitham

 

[programmechap]

On a side issue. One England international in the last 50 years and none for 34 years is pretty dismal.

Nearest we've got since Deane's last game in 1992 would be Ramsdale as 3rd choice goalie in the 2021 Euros and Jagielka getting an England B cap in summer 2007 , but leaving before he got a full cap.

 

[mattbianco1]

I thought this thread was about players that have represented England and played for United?

Are we just naming favourite English players ?

 

[programmechap]

I thought this thread was about players that have represented England and played for United?

Are we just naming favourite English players ?

I suppose you could look at it that way

 

[Pintor75]

No John Tudor?

 

[Darnall Siam Blade]

As Silent said , Jimmy's face didn't fit. Having said that there were several inside forwards who would have taken some replacing. Stan Mortensen- Wilf Mannion-Raich Carter- Harald Hassall- Stan Pearson. Also, 2 Owls inside forwards got more caps than Jimmy but they were nowhere near Jimmy's class- Jackie Sewell and Albert Quixall.