Tommy Doyle

[ancientblade]

I just don't rate Tommy Doyle as much as so many others on this forum do.
I haven't been shocked to see him not kick on at PL level with Wolves.

He only really played well for a couple of months at the end of his season on loan with us.
He has some decent attributes, but lacks in physical and athletic terms.

I said in the second post on this thread that I was opposed to bringing him back as Peck was progressing so well and I standby it.

tomny doyle is a better midfielder than peck imo if weve any chance of getting him we should be all over it

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

He will fit in nicely at Sunderland,i think thats where he will be going.

 

[Toto]

He will fit in nicely at Sunderland,i think thats where he will be going.

Not sure Tommy wants to go up north!

 

[bladesmanluke]

Yep. We need Vini sized footballers with ability.

If Vini could pass and shoot like Doyle he'd be worth £80m. We're never going to get perfection. Every now and then we might stumble across a gem like we did with Ndiaye, but that's what? A once in 30 years event?

Rest of the time we can only bring in players that are available to us and try to mould them together into a team

 

[FTPE]

If Vini could pass and shoot like Doyle he'd be worth £80m. We're never going to get perfection. Every now and then we might stumble across a gem like we did with Ndiaye, but that's what? A once in 30 years event?

Rest of the time we can only bring in players that are available to us and try to mould them together into a team

100% this.

 

[Blademan89]

He will fit in nicely at Sunderland,i think thats where he will be going.

Would be a bad career move if he listens to his manager at wolves. As stated he is a good player but needs to be in a team that controls possession, just csbt see that at Sunderland.

Also Sunderland are a young small side... wasnt it mentioned that doyle is also not built like a prem player (ie 6ft4 and athletically built), no one at Sunderland really fits that billing either - baring Ballard (who's only about 6ft1/2).

 

[ancientblade]

career wise it would make sense to come back to the lane financial wise he would go to sunderland the decision is his or his agent

 

[Pintor75]

Get him signed up, let Souza go £18-20m and build team around Peck, Arblaster, Doyle and hopefully persuade Gus to stay

 

[Houston_Blade]

I thought the issue why we didn’t sign him last time around was that he wanted PL wages in the Championship. If he’s had a dose of reality and realised he’s a Championship player then he might now accept reasonable wages and he’d be a good signing assuming Peck leaves, Davies spends half the season injured and Arblaster takes some time to get back fit. With those 3 still on the books though I think Doyle would be a luxury we can’t afford.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Get him signed up, let Souza go £18-20m and build team around Peck, Arblaster, Doyle and hopefully persuade Gus to stay

I'd be surprised if anyone bid that much for Souza.

 

[cooperblade]

I liked Doyle a lot when he was with us but I'm not sure I see the value in signing a player who is similar to Arblaster but not as good at him in any aspect of the game (unless Arblaster leaves or doesn't recover). I also think that, given we're aiming to be back in the PL, if we sign anyone who has poor to average physical attributes they need to be absolutely brilliant at some aspect of the game - and I'm not sure Doyle is.

 

[Striker]

Get him signed up, let Souza go £18-20m and build team around Peck, Arblaster, Doyle and hopefully persuade Gus to stay

With that midfield you'd need Ken Dodd as manager. He was the only one who could manage the "Diddy Men"

 

[bonobo]

Passing in general is our weakness and he is pretty good at that, good defender, leader, a player who is only going to improve with knowledge and experience. Would probably be half the price of any of the our current midfielders we might sell.

 

[Weasel]

If he's available at the right price, wants to come, then we'd be daft not to do this deal. Future United captain (on the presumption that Olly will be here for a few years before moving on for a big fee).

 

[Champagneblade]

If he's available at the right price, wants to come, then we'd be daft not to do this deal. Future United captain (on the presumption that Olly will be here for a few years before moving on for a big fee).

The obvious thing to do is for someone to come on for Peck with a large bid due to his potential and then replace him with Doyle, who has more output right now.

Him and Arblaster along with Souza would be an unbelievable midfield at this level.

 

[Bell4]

With that midfield you'd need Ken Dodd as manager. He was the only one who could manage the "Diddy Men"

Or Willy Wonka

 

[jt64]

I thought the issue why we didn’t sign him last time around was that he wanted PL wages in the Championship. If he’s had a dose of reality and realised he’s a Championship player then he might now accept reasonable wages and he’d be a good signing assuming Peck leaves, Davies spends half the season injured and Arblaster takes some time to get back fit.

If the reality is that he has already peaked and that his peak level is Championship then it is an incredibly easy no for me

 

[Houston_Blade]

If the reality is that he has already peaked and that his peak level is Championship then it is an incredibly easy no for me

He’s definitely not going to be someone who can kick us on if we get promoted but he’ll be fine for a top championship team.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Doyle is around our level, if we're honest, as is McBurnie. He's the sort who could spend 5+ years here. He'd be a good investment. If he as a CM regular defines our level that means we should be minimum top end Championship. I think he's capable of playing a bigger role in the PL than he has for Wolves too. But in that league of physical mutants his shortcomings are clear

 

[AdamSufc1997]

Unfortunately our level is top end championship club so he'll be a great signing

 

[jt64]

He’s definitely not going to be someone who can kick us on if we get promoted but he’ll be fine for a top championship team.

In which case I would rather sign (or, for that matter, retain) someone who might not be as good right now but has the upside to be a PL starter. Blaster has that. Peck has that. Souza has improved enough this season that he arguably has that. Selling any of those and then bringing in someone who doesn't have that makes the club worse.

 

[Houston_Blade]

In which case I would rather sign (or, for that matter, retain) someone who might not be as good right now but has the upside to be a PL starter. Blaster has that. Peck has that. Souza has improved enough this season that he arguably has that. Selling any of those and then bringing in someone who doesn't have that makes the club worse.

It sounds like Peck is going though based on speculation and rumour, I’d say there’s a fair chance Souza moves this summer. Davies was born injured and Arblaster is back from along injury. Doyle on the right money would be a good signing for us next season and then good to have around as backup in the PL assuming we improve the midfield at that point.

If there are better options that are cheaper and take us forward then I’m all for them. We all know the Blades love an ex player though, particularly if he’s British and likes a pint.

 

[Wards]

If Souza leaves then I hope we replace him with some physicality. Don't think we can replace like for like in that regard but Doyle isn't it, albeit he brings other attributes.

 

[FTPE]

If Souza leaves then I hope we replace him with some physicality. Don't think we can replace like for like in that regard but Doyle isn't it, albeit he brings other attributes.

There's no way we'd replace our biggest, strongest and one of our most athletic players, with one that's on his way out of a club for not having the right phsical attributes.
He might replace Peck, be competition for Arblaster, but he's not a Souza replacement.

 

[Wards]

There's no way we'd replace our biggest, strongest and one of our most athletic players, with one that's on his way out of a club for not having the right phsical attributes.
He might replace Peck, be competition for Arblaster, but he's not a Souza replacement.

You'd hope not...but we have had small, weak, unathletic midfield trios under Wilder before (Norwood, Fleck, Duffy etc)

 

[Houston_Blade]

There's no way we'd replace our biggest, strongest and one of our most athletic players, with one that's on his way out of a club for not having the right phsical attributes.
He might replace Peck, be competition for Arblaster, but he's not a Souza replacement.

It’s taken us years to get the physical ‘shithouse’ midfielder in Souza, since the Olifinjana days at Wolves we’ve been desperate for an enforcer. If we lose Souza and don’t replace it will be like the JOC situation again.

 

[robbiez666]

It’s taken us years to get the physical ‘shithouse’ midfielder in Souza, since the Olifinjana days at Wolves we’ve been desperate for an enforcer. If we lose Souza and don’t replace it will be like the JOC situation again.

I doubt we can afford to replace Souza like for like. He was a punt but we paid a lot for a young lad with the right physical attributes. No way we're likely to replace like for like.

 

[SUFC Guy]

I doubt we can afford to replace Souza like for like. He was a punt but we paid a lot for a young lad with the right physical attributes. No way we're likely to replace like for like.

It all depends on how ambitious the board is. If they want us up asap and have the clout, then huge wages will attract a like for like replacement.

I think the board know that it's important to progress and not regress. Build on what we have and improve the contracts of Hamer, Souza and Cooper. If we can keep our main stars and replace some others with better players we stand a good chance of autos in what looks like a very, very tough championship next season.

I've a feeling that the attendances will drop unless we hold on to or best and purchase some more exciting players.

UTMB
FTP

 

[robbiez666]

It all depends on how ambitious the board is. If they want us up asap and have the clout, then huge wages will attract a like for like replacement.

I think the board know that it's important to progress and not regress. Build on what we have and improve the contracts of Hamer, Souza and Cooper. If we can keep our main stars and replace some others with better players we stand a good chance of autos in what looks like a very, very tough championship next season.

I've a feeling that the attendances will drop unless we hold on to or best and purchase some more exciting players.

UTMB
FTP

We'd likely need to spend £10 million and then I'm unsure where this player is coming from who would play in the Championship and fit in within our wage structure.

 

[SUFC Guy]

We'd likely need to spend £10 million and then I'm unsure where this player is coming from who would play in the Championship and fit in within our wage structure.

Money talks !

I think the board are banking on the AI model to find some forrin gems