Tommy Doyle

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Not exactly slow - id say hes faster & stronger than o'hare, he also knitted play from deep akin to norwood when he was on loan, he's played that position previously and so what would make you think that hed have zero creativity there?
Who has pace?! None of them.

What makes me thing there'd be zero creativity? They are all deep lying centre mids by trade. None of them come close to the creativity Hamer brings. If you think that midfield would be good enough to create regular chances then wow. Its a midfield I'd expect to see if we were playing a top premier league team away in the cup.
 
Who has pace?! None of them.

What makes me thing there'd be zero creativity? They are all deep lying centre mids by trade. None of them come close to the creativity Hamer brings. If you think that midfield would be good enough to create regular chances then wow. Its a midfield I'd expect to see if we were playing a top premier league team away in the cup.
And its literally the same starting two we had at the beginning of the season just swapping Doyle for ohare - the pace your on about and creativity is still the same from those 2 players! Im guessing had no issues with them then? Swapping ohare out for Doyle would make us stronger - he would get more than double goals and assist ohare got.

All 3 are box to box players - but let's gloss over how 1 of them played in a slightly further role previously and comments made by ex managers about being able to play that role and that it would suit him.
 
Different era. And a quality of player well outside our orbit.

And also…it’s OK to have a bunch of small midfielders in the team because it worked for Barcelona 10 - 15 years ago 🤷‍♂️

I may have said it once or twice before but we need pace, power and physicality (PPP) throughout the team. Wolves aren’t keen on keeping Tommy Doyle precisely because he doesn’t have these criteria. IF ever we do get promoted back to the PL we will stand a better chance of staying up if we already have a team built around PPP. IMHO, of course
 
And its literally the same starting two we had at the beginning of the season just swapping Doyle for ohare - the pace your on about and creativity is still the same from those 2 players! Im guessing had no issues with them then? Swapping ohare out for Doyle would make us stronger - he would get more than double goals and assist ohare got.

All 3 are box to box players - but let's gloss over how 1 of them played in a slightly further role previously and comments made by ex managers about being able to play that role and that it would suit him.
Campbell was the only genuine pace we had in the team last season. And he can only managed 30ish games a season.

We have very different opinions on what Doyle is capable of. Because based on what I saw, I do not see him playing just off a striker or on the left and relying on him to create/score. No chance.
 
Would Tommy Doyle, in our squad, playing to his potential made a difference in 23/24 ? Doubtful
Would Souza playing to his, every game..? Might have. Our team of weak midgets got steamrollered every week because we didn’t have anyone enforcing the midfield. (Including Souza that season)
 
"Zero creativity" is a very harsh thing to level at Doyle in this division.

I'm fairly certain he'd have got more than the no goals that Souza and Peck provided, too.
'Zero creativity' was aimed the suggested midfield of Souza/Arblaster/Doyle.

Anyone who thinks that is a midfield for creative and exciting football needs their head checking.
 
I would hazard a guess that's because of his set pieces (corners, free kicks) in the main.
Tommy Doyle, while at Cardiff, showed strong chance creation abilities. Specifically, he created 10 "big chances" in 19 appearances, with a rate of 0.66 big chances per 90 minutes. He was also recognized for his progressive passes, scoring 3 goals and assisting in 4.

It doesn’t seem he was just a set piece merchant. I get the impression he was played a little further forward than with us.
 
Tommy Doyle, while at Cardiff, showed strong chance creation abilities. Specifically, he created 10 "big chances" in 19 appearances, with a rate of 0.66 big chances per 90 minutes. He was also recognized for his progressive passes, scoring 3 goals and assisting in 4.

It doesn’t seem he was just a set piece merchant. I get the impression he was played a little further forward than with us.
I like him, I'd snap him up for £3m.

I just don't think he's the answer if Hamer goes or to give us more goals/pace. If Souza went, then I'd like to seem him place next to Arblaster.
 

Campbell was the only genuine pace we had in the team last season. And he can only managed 30ish games a season.

We have very different opinions on what Doyle is capable of. Because based on what I saw, I do not see him playing just off a striker or on the left and relying on him to create/score. No chance.
I wasn't saying we should play him just off a striker or off the left (hoping hamer still here) I was saying he could be used further up the pitch in front of arbalster and souza, as a proper CAM a number 8, but if you dont think he can play that midfield role than yes you have a different opinion to me also to pep, city academy and also to wolves manager (also manager at cardiff when he was there).

He has an eye for goal and good shot, which hes not afraid to take. He also has great passing abilities and tidy in position.

I agree we dont have much pace in the squad but thats what the wingers, fullbacks & striker should be proving.

If we was going for formation that we have a player just off the striker or shadow striker or with a no9 +10 then yeah he wouldnt be doing that role (as thats what Campbell been doing with moore), but I never meant it to come across as that role to begin with.
 
I like him, I'd snap him up for £3m.

I just don't think he's the answer if Hamer goes or to give us more goals/pace. If Souza went, then I'd like to seem him place next to Arblaster.
He'd add more goals from midfield 100%, something we've been lacking massively.

Peck, souza and ohare with 2 goals between them is criminally bad.
 
I wouldn't be unhappy with the lad coming back, we'd probably have the best set of central midfielders in the division if we can keep everyone.
We're desperate for 2/3 good centre halves and a right back.
Really would love another 10 , still like the look of sainz at Norwich ( my mate raves about him )
 
'Zero creativity' was aimed the suggested midfield of Souza/Arblaster/Doyle.

Anyone who thinks that is a midfield for creative and exciting football needs their head checking.
So having a midfield that controls the ball, with 2 of those that can play on half tune and always progress the ball forward and play intricate but also can switch up to Hollywood balls, whilst all doing the dirty work and being hard to break down, which allows our wingers to push on our full backs to overload (all without worry, knowing we will be in possession and not to overturn it cheaply).

So yes, it can be creative and exciting its how you set up and how you use those players its not rocket science leeds and burnley both had similar player profile and set up and yet was lauded how exciting, good and creative they was.
 
absolute steal at 3m if we can get him back we should try seing as the likelyhood is that one of souza arblaster or peck will be leaving hamer is going to be the tricky one to replace imo and surely has to be our biggest spend this summer
 
Think a lot of people have got it spot on with Doyle that he might not necessarily massively affect the way we play or bring extra size or athleticism but he does create chances and pop up with the odd goal and that’s pretty sorely lacking from our midfield.
 
So having a midfield that controls the ball, with 2 of those that can play on half tune and always progress the ball forward and play intricate but also can switch up to Hollywood balls, whilst all doing the dirty work and being hard to break down, which allows our wingers to push on our full backs to overload (all without worry, knowing we will be in possession and not to overturn it cheaply).

So yes, it can be creative and exciting its how you set up and how you use those players its not rocket science leeds and burnley both had similar player profile and set up and yet was lauded how exciting, good and creative they was.
I agree with much of what you are saying and it all makes great sense. My nagging thoughts are probably linked to my lack of confidence in recurituing the pace and Hamer-type flair/creativity for wider positions.

If you played your suggested midfield 3 with Brewster and Brooks out wide, and Campbell up front, I'd be nervous, very nervous.
 
I just don't rate Tommy Doyle as much as so many others on this forum do.
I haven't been shocked to see him not kick on at PL level with Wolves.

He only really played well for a couple of months at the end of his season on loan with us.
He has some decent attributes, but lacks in physical and athletic terms.

I said in the second post on this thread that I was opposed to bringing him back as Peck was progressing so well and I standby it.
 
I just don't rate Tommy Doyle as much as so many others on this forum do.
I haven't been shocked to see him not kick on at PL level with Wolves.

He only really played well for a couple of months at the end of his season on loan with us.
He has some decent attributes, but lacks in physical and athletic terms.

I said in the second post on this thread that I was opposed to bringing him back as Peck was progressing so well and I standby it.
Tbh I think it would be dependant on who he was replacing - if it was Peck then I could see the logic but if it was Souza then Utd would be back to where it was when Norwood was the holding mid and teams just swept past him.
 
I agree with much of what you are saying and it all makes great sense. My nagging thoughts are probably linked to my lack of confidence in recurituing the pace and Hamer-type flair/creativity for wider positions.

If you played your suggested midfield 3 with Brewster and Brooks out wide, and Campbell up front, I'd be nervous, very nervous.
Oh dont get me wrong I had no intentions of playing Brooks or brewster on either wing and hoping we'd be singing better and as you say faster.

I fully understand the worries and concerns with that team lol.
 

I liked him when he was here. Gave it his all.

He’s not physically dominant enough to be a real top level player though and I don’t think he’s better than what options we’ve got at the club at the moment.

If peck went and Doyle came in then fair enough. If he replaced Vini or Blaster it’s a downgrade for me.
 

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