Tommy Doyle

[TJB.]

What!!!

He's right.

If it's all about high tempo pressing and energy then Souza's days are likely numbered, despite him being a great player.

Selles may look to flog him early and spend the dosh on players to fit his system and ideology.

 

[Frank the tank]

What!!!

Think that arblater and Peck would be better suited to how selles likes his two 6's to play than souza who isn't particularly progressive going forward or as energetic .

 

[Maidenhead]

We'll lose Hamer I reckon.
Newly promoted sides usually cherry pick the best Championship players, and at his age I dont begrudge him a move to be honest. He'll be the hardest to replace though. I dont know much about Rudoni, I assume the Gus money would cover him?
I love Souza but I think Blaster can fill the hole if he leaves (as long as Peck stays) but we still need cover/competition there too.

Based on what? Blaster has played less than 30 league games for us and all a sudden he can fill the roll of Souza? They have completely different rolls and play styles. One is a high energy, proven ball winner and the other is a kid that’s just broke in to the first team.

As much as I like Blaster (and he’s shown he has potential), he gets a lot of unworthy high praise due to his Sheffield birth certificate rather than his performances on the pitch….when he’s fit.

He’s played less games than Peck, who had an outstanding season, yet people seem to hold Blaster in higher regard than him just because of where he was born.

Blaster is not going to fill the void left by Souza if he gets sold.

Arblaster needs to play next to someone like Souza.

Arblaster progresses the ball better than peck does. The drop of the shoulder to recieve the ball on the turn which Arblaster does is brilliant. Breaks a line and gets us moving forward. Arblaster is involved in a lot more goals than Peck despite playing fewer games.

In fact Blaster and Peck would make a decent duo as Peck does the nitty gritty simple stuff better and Arblaster is more progressive at getting us moving forwards.

They are different types of player. Peck is closer to Souza than Blaster is without being as physically dominant.

People hold Arblaster in higher regard than peck because he’s got the more unique skill set of being more of a deep play maker who gets forward better than Peck.

Peck has been outstanding this season but Arblaster has the higher ceiling and I think we dropped off in terms of creativity once he got injured as neither Souza or Peck contributed many assists and zero goals.

I hope we keep Souza and Hamer and play a 433

Hamer Souza Arblaster

Different players. Blaster is more of an attacking threat (scored more goals in a couple of months than Peck and Aouza combined all season) and carries the ball forward. Peck is all action but lacks composure and Souza is the holding, physical player.

Of the 4 midfielders (assuming Blaster comes back to full fitness) I far prefer that we let Peck go than Hamer, Souza or Blaster.

But where does Tommy Doyle fit into all this?

 

[FTPE]

Based on what? Blaster has played less than 30 league games for us and all a sudden he can fill the roll of Souza? They have completely different rolls and play styles. One is a high energy, proven ball winner and the other is a kid that’s just broke in to the first team.

As much as I like Blaster (and he’s shown he has potential), he gets a lot of unworthy high praise due to his Sheffield birth certificate rather than his performances on the pitch….when he’s fit.

He’s played less games than Peck, who had an outstanding season, yet people seem to hold Blaster in higher regard than him just because of where he was born.

Blaster is not going to fill the void left by Souza if he gets sold.

I didn't say it was because of where he was born. I've watched him. Arblaster looks like the best prospect we've had in years in my opinion. I'm not sure why you call his praise unworthy when he's already captained us in the Premier League, but that's fine. It's all about opinions.
As for replacing Souza, I've heard Selles doesn't play with a midfield destroyer. He might have a deep lying midfielder but he expects more passing from them, more pivots and for them to be more dynamic than what Souza is.
You might have said that really matter of fact, that Blaster wont replace him (probably because they aren't like for like) but with the new manager we might not be playing like for like anymore.

 

[FriethBlade]

But where does Tommy Doyle fit into all this?

Not sure he does, hes not a direct replacement for any of the players, hes not as physical as Souza, hes not as energetic as Peck, hes not as skilful as Hamer and he doesn't carry the threat of Arblaster. Most of all hes earning a lot more than any of them and we won't be paying him those kind of wages when he seems to have proved hes not good enough for the PL.

unless ofncoirse your question was related to why are we discussing all these other players when the thread is about Doyle?

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Personally, I think Davies is exactly the kind of player that will excel in a front foot attacking side that wants to keep the ball. If he can stay fit he and Blaster will be phenomenal IMO.

 

[chesblade]

Reports he’s going to Birmingham and also Wrexham interested

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Reports he’s going to Birmingham and also Wrexham interested

I think you can get used to those two clubs being thrown out by the press/agents for any player who’s one market.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Reports he’s going to Birmingham and also Wrexham interested

#325

 

[Striker]

He's right.

If it's all about high tempo pressing and energy then Souza's days are likely numbered, despite him being a great player.

Selles may look to flog him early and spend the dosh on players to fit his system and ideology.

No he's not and neither are you.

Souza covers more ground than any of our midfield players and wins 90% of his tackles.

If Selles plays a pressing game Souza is the perfect player to add defensive insurance.

That said I could see the AI owners deciding to sell him.

 

[TJB.]

No he's not and neither are you.

Souza covers more ground than any of our midfield players and wins 90% of his tackles.

If Selles plays a pressing game Souza is the perfect player to add defensive insurance.

That said I could see the AI owners deciding to sell him.

We'll agree to disagree. Souza has the aggression but I'm not sure he has the engine on him to do the sort of job Selles will want from his midfielders. Time will tell.

 

[Yogi]

Looking at some of the stuff online about how Selles has played in the past he’s used a playmaker as his deep lying midfielder not a defensive beast like Souza.

Looking at what’s online he likes a deep playmaker and two box to box midfielders either side so think Norwood with Fleck and Lundstram as what his ideal midfield 3 should look like. Doyle arguably fits that mould quite well

 

[Blade56]

Norwood with Fleck and Lundstram as what his ideal midfield 3 should look like.

What?

 

[Aston max]

What?

You can have this mate

 

[S40BLADE]

Looking at some of the stuff online about how Selles has played in the past he’s used a playmaker as his deep lying midfielder not a defensive beast like Souza.

Looking at what’s online he likes a deep playmaker and two box to box midfielders either side so think Norwood with Fleck and Lundstram as what his ideal midfield 3 should look like. Doyle arguably fits that mould quite well

Lundstram, Norwood and Fleck no where near athletic enough for selles style. Prime fleck would work best as he had the touch and that burst mixed with good ability. Lundstram would not have technical enough. Norwood despite being one of my all time favourites could not be the loan 6 in a high press team. I think what we could be about to see in midfield set up will be something entirely new to what we are used to for better or for worse

 

[Champagneblade]

Looking at some of the stuff online about how Selles has played in the past he’s used a playmaker as his deep lying midfielder not a defensive beast like Souza.

Looking at what’s online he likes a deep playmaker and two box to box midfielders either side so think Norwood with Fleck and Lundstram as what his ideal midfield 3 should look like. Doyle arguably fits that mould quite well

I like Doyle, especially at this level.

But I don’t see how we sign any midfield players without some leaving.

Reminder; we have Souza, Arblaster, Peck, Davies, O’Hare, Hamer, Brooks, Shackleton, Blacker, Caceres, then if you want to group them in Neachukwu, Itaki. Depending on how you line up you might also include Marsh.

 

[Yogi]

Lundstram, Norwood and Fleck no where near athletic enough for selles style. Prime fleck would work best as he had the touch and that burst mixed with good ability. Lundstram would not have technical enough. Norwood despite being one of my all time favourites could not be the loan 6 in a high press team. I think what we could be about to see in midfield set up will be something entirely new to what we are used to for better or for worse

I agree I was just using those 3 as a rough frame of reference for what a Selles midfield 3 should look like and why Doyle despite not being a midfield destroyer could fit as a Selles 6

 

[Yogi]

I like Doyle, especially at this level.

But I don’t see how we sign any midfield players without some leaving.

Reminder; we have Souza, Arblaster, Peck, Davies, O’Hare, Hamer, Brooks, Shackleton, Blacker, Caceres, then if you want to group them in Neachukwu, Itaki. Depending on how you line up you might also include Marsh.

I agree some midfielders will need to leave before any come in but I don’t think that means we won’t be looking for one this summer we’ve been linked to Devine, Alzate and Doyle so I think it’s safe to say we are looking to recruit in that area.

I wouldn’t count any of the wide players in the conversation for the central 3 under Selles other than maybe Brooks although I suspect he’ll now stay as a wide player.

So that takes Caceres out and the two Nigerian lads. I think we should be looking to move Shackleton and Davies on this summer Seriki has shown enough to compete for RB so bring in another potential RB starter and get rid of Shackleton. Davies has talent but hasn’t been able to get and stay fit so cut the loses and move on. Neither Shackleton or Davies should stop us from looking to recruit players who can help us.

Blacker won’t be in the first team picture this coming year.

Central players i’m confident will be good fits for Selles are Blaster, O’Hare and Peck.

Hamer has the technical ability, the burst and aggression to be a monster in a Selles midfield but he can increase his fitness levels to cover the ground a Selles 8 has to for 90 minutes or will he continue to play wide.

Souza as the 6 would mean Selles changing his style a bit and using a different position to be the deep playmaker.

There’s also I think the real potential that we have our resolve tested for Souza and Hamer.

I wouldn’t be against bringing in a younger technically good CM into the group to give us better depth, protect us against any potential Souza/Hamer sale this summer or a potential Blaster/Peck sale next summer if they have good seasons and we don’t go up.

 

[Champagneblade]

I agree some midfielders will need to leave before any come in but I don’t think that means we won’t be looking for one this summer we’ve been linked to Devine, Alzate and Devine so I think it’s safe to say we are looking to recruit in that area.

I wouldn’t count any of the wide players in the conversation for the central 3 under Selles other than maybe Brooks although I suspect he’ll now stay as a wide player.

So that takes Caceres out and the two Nigerian lads. I think we should be looking to move Shackleton and Davies on this summer Seriki has shown enough to compete for RB so bring in another potential RB starter and get rid of Shackleton. Davies has talent but hasn’t been able to get and stay fit so cut the loses and move on. Neither Shackleton or Davies should stop us from looking to recruit players who can help us.

Blacker won’t be in the first team picture this coming year.

Central players i’m confident will be good fits for Selles are Blaster, O’Hare and Peck.

Hamer has the technical ability and the burst and aggression to be a monster in a Selles midfield but can increase his fitness levels to cover the ground a Selles 8 has to for 90 minutes or will he continue to play wide.

Souza as the 6 would mean Selles changing his style a bit and using a different position to be the deep playmaker.

There’s also I think the real potential that we have our resolve tested for Souza and Hamer.

I wouldn’t be against bringing in a younger technically good CM into the group to give us better depth, protect us against any potential Souza/Hamer sale this summer or a potential Blaster/Peck sale next summer if they have good seasons and we don’t go up.

I don’t disagree on some of the permutations. It’s more that it’s going to be difficult.

Firstly to sell to a new midfielder when there are still so many established players already there.

Secondly, we have the conundrum of buying a player early expecting a Souza or Hamer to be sold and then potentially not being or waiting and then the replacements having already moved.

Davies is a bit like Brewster. The club most likely to get value out of him is us. A Prem team will likely not have him on their radar and a Champ team will likely not be able to afford his wages.

 

[Yogi]

I don’t disagree on some of the permutations. It’s more that it’s going to be difficult.

Firstly to sell to a new midfielder when there are still so many established players already there.

Secondly, we have the conundrum of buying a player early expecting a Souza or Hamer to be sold and then potentially not being or waiting and then the replacements having already moved.

I think Souza and Hamer are the biggest questions of this summer not just will they be sold but also if they stay how will they fit because it doesn’t seem obvious right now.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I think Souza and Hamer are the biggest questions of this summer not just will they be sold but also if they stay how will they fit because it doesn’t seem obvious right now.

We’re also assuming that our new “modern and flexible” coach isn’t able to build an effective team unless he has exactly the players he needs to implement his specific system.

 

[Yogi]

We’re also assuming that our new “modern and flexible” coach isn’t able to build an effective team unless he has exactly the players he needs to implement his specific system.

That’s true I’m really excited to see how our recruitment goes and how we shape up in the preseason games.

 

[FriethBlade]

I agree some midfielders will need to leave before any come in but I don’t think that means we won’t be looking for one this summer we’ve been linked to Devine, Alzate and Doyle so I think it’s safe to say we are looking to recruit in that area.

I wouldn’t count any of the wide players in the conversation for the central 3 under Selles other than maybe Brooks although I suspect he’ll now stay as a wide player.

So that takes Caceres out and the two Nigerian lads. I think we should be looking to move Shackleton and Davies on this summer Seriki has shown enough to compete for RB so bring in another potential RB starter and get rid of Shackleton. Davies has talent but hasn’t been able to get and stay fit so cut the loses and move on. Neither Shackleton or Davies should stop us from looking to recruit players who can help us.

Blacker won’t be in the first team picture this coming year.

Central players i’m confident will be good fits for Selles are Blaster, O’Hare and Peck.

Hamer has the technical ability, the burst and aggression to be a monster in a Selles midfield but he can increase his fitness levels to cover the ground a Selles 8 has to for 90 minutes or will he continue to play wide.

Souza as the 6 would mean Selles changing his style a bit and using a different position to be the deep playmaker.

There’s also I think the real potential that we have our resolve tested for Souza and Hamer.

I wouldn’t be against bringing in a younger technically good CM into the group to give us better depth, protect us against any potential Souza/Hamer sale this summer or a potential Blaster/Peck sale next summer if they have good seasons and we don’t go up.

A few suggestions in this site thst we should move Shackleton out...one problem hes under contract til 2027

 

[Yogi]

A few suggestions in this site thst we should move Shackleton out...one problem hes under contract til 2027

Christ we have liked giving out long contracts to punts.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Given that we currently have Peck, Souza and Davies for the defensive positions and Hamer, O'Hare and Arblaster for the box to box/attack positions I really don't think we need Doyle unless we're looking to offload Souza and Peck.

We have other positions that need more of a priority, namely right back, centre back, left wing and right wing.

 

[Lowen]

Peck - Arblaster - Brooks as a midfield three played a lot of games together at youth level and is definitely the sort of midfield Selles might prefer. I still think we should try our hardest to keep Souza though, even if he’s not a perfect fit he’s still the best DM in the league and as a manager you’d simply have to adapt to that if you’re any good. Souza could also easily play in a counter pressing style which seems to be the main principle for Selles, it’s just more a question of if he’s the perfect fit in possession.

 

[Ranmoorblade]

Arblaster is a fair way off starting any games and is apparently struggling with his rehab.

 

[FTPE]

Looking at some of the stuff online about how Selles has played in the past he’s used a playmaker as his deep lying midfielder not a defensive beast like Souza.

Looking at what’s online he likes a deep playmaker and two box to box midfielders either side so think Norwood with Fleck and Lundstram as what his ideal midfield 3 should look like. Doyle arguably fits that mould quite well

Was that the Geordie kid doing a breakdown? That's got me thinking as well if it was.

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

Arblaster is a fair way off starting any games and is apparently struggling with his rehab.

Not what I’ve heard. Been in Rhodes recently.

 

[SwissBlade]

He's right.

If it's all about high tempo pressing and energy then Souza's days are likely numbered, despite him being a great player.

Selles may look to flog him early and spend the dosh on players to fit his system and ideology.

I think that was already on the cards before Selles even came in