Those who are hopeful of a takeover... careful what you wish for

[Flatulent_Bob]

Well to tell you the truth I am undecided . It is obvious the team need money spending on it after two windows have come and gone without any investment apart from loans and with out MGW we wont be as potent going forward. With out investment can not see us troubling the promotion spots ,MGW made such a difference to our forward play he was the missing link we have needed since Duffy went. Where is the money coming from? don't know, maybe if a sale goes through of the club but as it stands now I can not see any decent amounts being available.

MGW won’t have been cheap and neither will the other loans so I don’t think it’s right to say there’s been no investment. Slav was given the option to sell the likes of McBurnie to generate funds but wanted to keep him, that’s an investment. So was keeping everyone else.
It’s not like we were run on peanuts last season.
Looking at all the players available on a free I actually think we could improve the squad if we can secure the right players and MGW shows if we are prepared to wait you tend to get the better PL loans.

 

[Davalon]

Any takeover can leave you in the shit potentially.

But surely we want ownership that allows us to come close to reaching our potential (and I'm mean reaching it, not over-achieving).

I appreciate some people would rather play safe but it's hardly had us achieve much in my lifetime.

Had a chat with an elderly Blade last week who said he wished McCabe was still here. I explained that had he won the court case we could well have ended up with Burnley's owners, who appear to have lumbered them.

There is no fail safe, there is no guaranteed best bet, but we're going to need investment to just play to par.

I genuinely understand the concern but can't cope with the attitude some have that we're better off being crap and still having a club.

That's an incredibly defeatist approach for a club of our stature.

We've achieved nothing to shout about in nearly a hundred years for a club of our stature and in that time, I can't think of a club anywhere near our size that has gone under.

 

[petcharlie]

MGW won’t have been cheap and neither will the other loans so I don’t think it’s right to say there’s been no investment. Slav was given the option to sell the likes of McBurnie to generate funds but wanted to keep him, that’s an investment. So was keeping everyone else.
It’s not like we were run on peanuts last season.
Looking at all the players available on a free I actually think we could improve the squad if we can secure the right players and MGW shows if we are prepared to wait you tend to get the better PL loans.

I understand MGW will have cost a few quid but we were so lucky getting a guy like him. I think most Wolves fans thought it was a mistake allowing him to go on loan and I think their manager came to the same conclusion when you hear that he asked the player to come back during xmas time .Dropping on a loan like him is unusual it proves it can be done but borrowing players seems to be papering over the cracks. I believe our scouting dept have let us down in the past along with refusing to be more flexible with our wage structure while we were in the top flight paying much less than any other club in the prem. That must have had a bearing on all the targets that slipped through our grasp ,maybe those players could have kept us in the prem but who knows. Thats history now just hope if we do get back there we have learned our lesson . If you are dining at the top table you can't do it on the cheap. We don't seem able to make that last step up . What the answer is I am not to sure but a wealthy owner might help.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I understand MGW will have cost a few quid but we were so lucky getting a guy like him. I think most Wolves fans thought it was a mistake allowing him to go on loan and I think their manager came to the same conclusion when you hear that he asked the player to come back during xmas time .Dropping on a loan like him is unusual it proves it can be done but borrowing players seems to be papering over the cracks. I believe our scouting dept have let us down in the past along with refusing to be more flexible with our wage structure while we were in the top flight paying much less than any other club in the prem. That must have had a bearing on all the targets that slipped through our grasp ,maybe those players could have kept us in the prem but who knows. Thats history now just hope if we do get back there we have learned our lesson . If you are dining at the top table you can't do it on the cheap. We don't seem able to make that last step up . What the answer is I am not to sure but a wealthy owner might help.

Do you know of one? I don’t see an alternate option for us?
Loans allow us to get players we couldn’t afford but to get the best you have to wait until the very end as all the players are waiting to see if they’re in PL squads, or what is the best offer out there. If we want to go early that’s fine but you won’t secure the best players given our likely budget.

 

[GrunkyPeep]

Any takeover can leave you in the shit potentially.

But surely we want ownership that allows us to come close to reaching our potential (and I'm mean reaching it, not over-achieving).

I appreciate some people would rather play safe but it's hardly had us achieve much in my lifetime.

Had a chat with an elderly Blade last week who said he wished McCabe was still here. I explained that had he won the court case we could well have ended up with Burnley's owners, who appear to have lumbered them.

There is no fail safe, there is no guaranteed best bet, but we're going to need investment to just play to par.

I genuinely understand the concern but can't cope with the attitude some have that we're better off being crap and still having a club.

That's an incredibly defeatist approach for a club of our stature.

We've achieved nothing to shout about in nearly a hundred years for a club of our stature and in that time, I can't think of a club anywhere near our size that has gone under.

The only time in the last 40 years where we have actually reached/over-reached our potential was under this ownership.

 

[Nagima]

The only time in the last 40 years where we have actually reached/over-reached our potential was under this ownership.

I presume you forgot about the years under Dave Bassett and Neil Warnock.
Plus wasn't McCabe still involved for some of the upward swing with Wilder.

I don't have a particular axe to grind with any of our owners. It is what it is and we don't have the full information available to be able to forensically examine the books and determine just exactly how savvy our current owners are.

What we do know is that the club has been shy in spending money on players since before relegation. What we do know is that previous recruitment and spending has shown a poor return over the last few years.

I am just hoping that the balance between costs and points earned is optimised. We all I think would agree that we need some fresh blood in the door. So hopefully with carefull management we can be competing for promotion next season.

 

[Snowflake]

Any takeover can leave you in the shit potentially.

But surely we want ownership that allows us to come close to reaching our potential (and I'm mean reaching it, not over-achieving).

I appreciate some people would rather play safe but it's hardly had us achieve much in my lifetime.

Had a chat with an elderly Blade last week who said he wished McCabe was still here. I explained that had he won the court case we could well have ended up with Burnley's owners, who appear to have lumbered them.

There is no fail safe, there is no guaranteed best bet, but we're going to need investment to just play to par.

I genuinely understand the concern but can't cope with the attitude some have that we're better off being crap and still having a club.

That's an incredibly defeatist approach for a club of our stature.

We've achieved nothing to shout about in nearly a hundred years for a club of our stature and in that time, I can't think of a club anywhere near our size that has gone under.

Perhaps we are reaching the point where realism hits home to over a dozen Championship clubs that they are in danger of becoming insolvent, if not already.
Add in some more rigorous (and simple ) fair play regs and the whole of football outside the Premiership will be run without the need for hugely wealthy owners.
The danger with this utopia is that the Premiership becomes a closed shop, unless their money cascades down significantly.

 

[Blade56]

Only issues with loans is

1. they’re crap and we’re stuck with them
2. they’re good and parent club either wants them back or quadruples their wages and expects us to pick up the bill or leave a good player with splinters in his arse whilst becoming a multi millionaire year on year

 

[GrunkyPeep]

I presume you forgot about the years under Dave Bassett and Neil Warnock.
Plus wasn't McCabe still involved for some of the upward swing with Wilder.

I don't have a particular axe to grind with any of our owners. It is what it is and we don't have the full information available to be able to forensically examine the books and determine just exactly how savvy our current owners are.

What we do know is that the club has been shy in spending money on players since before relegation. What we do know is that previous recruitment and spending has shown a poor return over the last few years.

I am just hoping that the balance between costs and points earned is optimised. We all I think would agree that we need some fresh blood in the door. So hopefully with carefull management we can be competing for promotion next season.

It was more a response to the previous message about current ownership.

Seemed a bit funny to talk about needing an owner to 'help us reach our potential', when the only time recently we've actually reached our 'perceived potential' (staying in the prem) was under the current ownership. We did stay up in the Bassett era but that is 30 years ago.

 

[Nagima]

It was more a response to the previous message about current ownership.

Seemed a bit funny to talk about needing an owner to 'help us reach our potential', when the only time recently we've actually reached our 'perceived potential' (staying in the prem) was under the current ownership. We did stay up in the Bassett era but that is 30 years ago.

My view is that along as we have ownership that doesn't put the club in financial peril then I am happy out. Too many teams have or have had wealthy owners that overspend which leaves the club in trouble when they decide to sell up or not fund anymore because they have been burnt.

We did well in the early wilder years when we fashioned a decent team without spending much money. The spending when we reached the PL on transfers was mostly wasted. Hopefully we can get to a stable situation

 

[GrunkyPeep]

My view is that along as we have ownership that doesn't put the club in financial peril then I am happy out. Too many teams have or have had wealthy owners that overspend which leaves the club in trouble when they decide to sell up or not fund anymore because they have been burnt.

We did well in the early wilder years when we fashioned a decent team without spending much money. The spending when we reached the PL on transfers was mostly wasted. Hopefully we can get to a stable situation

Very much agree with you. I'd much rather we build the club from stable foundations and grow the club smartly. The Prince has certainly made mistakes but overall he has been positive for the club.

I believe he suffers in the eyes of some fans because a) they are jealous of other rich owners and feel they 'deserve' that too, b) the Wilder situation that we will never fully know the story of but there were certainly mistakes from both sides, c) you know, wish it didn't need saying but think we know there is an undercurrent of 'this' in some fans dislike of the Prince.

 

[Nagima]

Very much agree with you. I'd much rather we build the club from stable foundations and grow the club smartly. The Prince has certainly made mistakes but overall he has been positive for the club.

I believe he suffers in the eyes of some fans because a) they are jealous of other rich owners and feel they 'deserve' that too, b) the Wilder situation that we will never fully know the story of but there were certainly mistakes from both sides, c) you know, wish it didn't need saying but think we know there is an undercurrent of 'this' in some fans dislike of the Prince.

Agree.
I think the dislike of the Prince is just about having someone to blame for relegation and for Wilder leaving.

 

[Mario1889]

The only time in the last 40 years where we have actually reached/over-reached our potential was under this ownership.

This was the final league table at the end of the 1991/92 season.

I’d add we also stuffed the Wendys twice that season as well.

For me still my best season following the Blades.

 

[Frank the tank]

Well can not see nothing wrong if someone (a fan) wants to know where all the debt as come from after prem money and parachute payments and very healthy gate money (after covid of course) and 25 mill from selling the goalie. No money spent during 2 transfer windows. After three managers have obviously been annoyed through lack of action from the board fans will need some explanation about lack of action on the transfer front apart from loans. I'm not taking sides on this argument but maybe some one can shine a light on things.

Wilder spent it

 

[BladesOnToast]

This was the final league table at the end of the 1991/92 season.

I’d add we also stuffed the Wendys twice that season as well.

For me still my best season following the Blades.

Wow, only 1 southern club in the top 9 (south of the Midlands)

 

[Pollingtonblade]

This was the final league table at the end of the 1991/92 season.

I’d add we also stuffed the Wendys twice that season as well.

For me still my best season following the Blades.

That or the season after some sensible investment could have seen us a fixture in the prem for some time

But as per our short sighted board failed to grasp the nettle

 

[Mario1889]

That or the season after some sensible investment could have seen us a fixture in the prem for some time

But as per our short sighted board failed to grasp the nettle

Bang on.

We had one of the best strikers in the country, a club with ambition would’ve built a team around him, not flogged him to Leeds and replaced him with Flo.

 

[Keen Blade]

MGW won’t have been cheap and neither will the other loans so I don’t think it’s right to say there’s been no investment. Slav was given the option to sell the likes of McBurnie to generate funds but wanted to keep him, that’s an investment. So was keeping everyone else.
It’s not like we were run on peanuts last season.
Looking at all the players available on a free I actually think we could improve the squad if we can secure the right players and MGW shows if we are prepared to wait you tend to get the better PL loans.

Slav chose to keep McB ? As what ?
Proof positive that the fucker had done no research on our squad

 

[Keen Blade]

Very much agree with you. I'd much rather we build the club from stable foundations and grow the club smartly. The Prince has certainly made mistakes but overall he has been positive for the club.

I believe he suffers in the eyes of some fans because a) they are jealous of other rich owners and feel they 'deserve' that too, b) the Wilder situation that we will never fully know the story of but there were certainly mistakes from both sides, c) you know, wish it didn't need saying but think we know there is an undercurrent of 'this' in some fans dislike of the Prince.

In your previous post "The spending in the PL was mostly wasted".
By Wilder.
Only he and no one else is responsible for relegation.
Prince gave him every bit of the PL income + he blew it.
Then gave up by December 2020 + couldn't wait to leave.

 

[petcharlie]

Wilder spent it

Well that was nearly two years ago . Do we not have to spend anything for the next 3 or 4 years then?

 

[bertieblade]

Not if wilder has lumbered us with high value contracts for players we cannot offload

 

[Sean Thornton]

Not if wilder has lumbered us with high value contracts for players we cannot offload

Rather than the catch all “Wilder earned us all the PL money” and “Wilder wasted it and cost us PL money” comments, the above looks like the actual reality.

 

[Frank the tank]

Well that was nearly two years ago . Do we not have to spend anything for the next 3 or 4 years then?

He spent that too

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Not if wilder has lumbered us with high value contracts for players we cannot offload

High value contracts claim some yet we were by far the lowest payers in the league...

 

[Sean Thornton]

High value contracts claim some yet we were by far the lowest payers in the league...

Are you suggesting we didn’t have any high value contracts. Where do you personally draw the line and do you take wealth and budgets into account.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Are you suggesting we didn’t have any high value contracts. Where do you personally draw the line and do you take wealth and budgets into account.

I am saying for the level we were at we were the lowest payers by a long way.

 

[petcharlie]

I am saying for the level we were at we were the lowest payers by a long way.

Correct we must have saved a few quid paying way under the going rate . We were paying average championship wages playing in the prem .

 

[Rudders]

I know its different situations but slightly frustrating that Chelsea and Norwich City can attract serious takeover propositions and we can only attract an imaginary meme from the Internet.
Surprising given our heritage, best supported club in the championship, reasonable squad and club set up etc etc.

 

[bertieblade]

I am saying for the level we were at we were the lowest payers by a long way.

I agree with you, unfortunately the vast majority of clubs we were competing against had either been in the premier league for years or bounced up and down and subsequently could afford higher wages.
But the point being addressed is why we have no money to spend now and in the immediate future?
In addition to paying what for us were high wages, the majority of other clubs had purchased players (lump sum) who increased or at the very least retained their value. Unfortunately ours bombed out and we continue to pay their wages even though they were not in the team or no one else wants them. we therefore have to write off the transfer cost whilst continuing to pay the inflated salaries for players of reduced value.
Would you pay mcburnie £20k net / week.?
moose, burke, freeman? And nil return.
I would guesstimate that we have had to write off approaching £100m in transfer fees and wages, let alone pay ongoing overheads.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I am saying for the level we were at we were the lowest payers by a long way.

You appeared to be querying whether we had any high value contracts. For us, clearly we have. Compare us to anyone else if you like but even being factually correct it’s nonsensical for the financial position we are in.

God forbid you can be positive now and again.