Those who are hopeful of a takeover... careful what you wish for

[bertieblade]

T he thing I do SEE is a Football club at a standstill and slowly starting to slip back without any signs of our owner being able or unwilling to do anything about it. Slow but sure we will soon be where we were 4 or 5 years ago if action is not taken.

Who would you suggest taking over?
ALK Capital?

 

[Keen Blade]

Fucking hell, if your not depressed now you will be after reading this

Just facts , unlike the unrealistic expectations of some that the Prince can spend money he hasn't got nor ever claimed to have.

 

[Sean Thornton]

No idea but I am sure EIinstein you will inform us all on here of your opinion. I take it you are for more informed about it than the manager is or the last two managers we have had . Have you read the article the manager has given the Star today? Of course I will ignore his ranting and bow to your obviously more smart info .

You made the claim not me. Not knowing seems to be a fall back for you.

The serious injuries tend to happen during games. Maybe the poor standard at Shirecliffe is an issue regarding rehabilitation?

T he thing I do SEE is a Football club at a standstill and slowly starting to slip back without any signs of our owner being able or unwilling to do anything about it. Slow but sure we will soon be where we were 4 or 5 years ago if action is not taken.

The financial input. Do you accept that or still stick to the £1 nonsense. Being Einstein, l’m amazed you thought l’d miss that swerve.

“ “The training pitch, we know not every injury is down to that,” the United manager said, after launching an investigation into the fitness issues which plagued his team during the winter period. “But at the same time, we also know how much it has kept thousands of pounds worth of talent off the actual pitch across certain times of the year.”

Not quite what you claim he said is it?

Standstill? There’s no money. Is it that difficult to gasp? What’s your solution?

 

[petcharlie]

A club that didn’t own its own ground or training facilities and was just beginning its 3rd season in league 1 after losing to Yeovil town in the play off semi finals the year before. I’d say it was probably about right for the time but you’ve obviously made your mind up and all that matters is this “quid”

Well i am sure when he off loads the club he will be crying all the way to the bank. I DON'T THINK SO. As for the progress you are suggesting I think he should be thanking the guy before him for hiring Wilder who was the one to pull the club around from league one through the championship to the prem. But I SUPPOSE ALL THAT WAS DOWN TO THE PRINCE I don't think. Wilder put him and the club in a position to buy it back and got little credit for it . It was his management that got the club to the prem and all the wealth it creates . It was Wilder who got ordinary players playing well above themselves that got them to the promise land and he would have done it with or without the prince .

 

[petcharlie]

Just facts , unlike the unrealistic expectations of some that the Prince can spend money he hasn't got nor ever claimed to have.

You are correct but how does that help the club? Do we just sit back and let the club slide back to where it was and accept it or do we encourage change .

 

[Lower Drop Blade]

Not every takeover is a bad takeover is it?

 

[bertieblade]

Petcharlie,
who do you suggest taking over?

would you rather us spend money we have not got and follow the likes of derby and our friends up the road, because that is what you are advocating?

 

[TommoM]

Well i am sure when he off loads the club he will be crying all the way to the bank. I DON'T THINK SO. As for the progress you are suggesting I think he should be thanking the guy before him for hiring Wilder who was the one to pull the club around from league one through the championship to the prem. But I SUPPOSE ALL THAT WAS DOWN TO THE PRINCE I don't think. Wilder put him and the club in a position to buy it back and got little credit for it . It was his management that got the club to the prem and all the wealth it creates . It was Wilder who got ordinary players playing well above themselves that got them to the promise land and he would have done it with or without the prince .

Bit of a bizarre response, you were saying £10m was cheap and I was just saying at that time it was probably right due to our position at the time. How you’ve managed to twist that into going on about wilder I don’t know. You really don’t like the prince do you.

 

[Cheesebored]

Not every takeover is a bad takeover is it?

Never get in the car when my Mrs is driving.

 

[petcharlie]

You made the claim not me. Not knowing seems to be a fall back for you.

The serious injuries tend to happen during games. Maybe the poor standard at Shirecliffe is an issue regarding rehabilitation?


The financial input. Do you accept that or still stick to the £1 nonsense. Being Einstein, l’m amazed you thought l’d miss that swerve.

“ “The training pitch, we know not every injury is down to that,” the United manager said, after launching an investigation into the fitness issues which plagued his team during the winter period. “But at the same time, we also know how much it has kept thousands of pounds worth of talent off the actual pitch across certain times of the year.”

Not quite what you claim he said is it?

Standstill? There’s no money. Is it that difficult to gasp? What’s your solution?

I do grasp it but I am not accepting that we have to sit back and let the club slide back to the lower leagues . for Gods sake sell the bloody club to someone who can afford to run it and concentrate and your other clubs .
There has been a need for the training facilities to be renovated for three bloody years and there has been nothing done. Plenty of yar yar no action a bit like us having to wait for two years for a center half when it was clear what was needed . But if you are satisfied with the way things are panning out with hardly any prospect off reasonable investment in the playing staff or facilities by a club who have been attracting 25000 fans plus every week while still getting parachute payments having had two years in the prem having sold the keeper for 25 mill then you are easily satisfied mate . This club has never had as much money coming into it's bank account has it has had in the last three years yet we are still shopping at the food bank.

 

[bertieblade]

I do grasp it but I am not accepting that we have to sit back and let the club slide back to the lower leagues . for Gods sake sell the bloody club to someone who can afford to run it and concentrate and your other clubs .
There has been a need for the training facilities to be renovated for three bloody years and there has been nothing done. Plenty of yar yar no action a bit like us having to wait for two years for a center half when it was clear what was needed . But if you are satisfied with the way things are panning out with hardly any prospect off reasonable investment in the playing staff or facilities by a club who have been attracting 25000 fans plus every week while still getting parachute payments having had two years in the prem having sold the keeper for 25 mill then you are easily satisfied mate . This club has never had as much money coming into it's bank account has it has had in the last three years yet we are still shopping at the food bank.

You don’t get it do you.
the money was wasted by our previous manager when he bought players with no resale value on inflated contracts and then “awarded” our senior players with similar inflated contracts.

YOU CANNOT SPEND MONEY YOU HAVE NOT GOT!!!!

or you can if you want to be the next derby county or Sheffield…………..

find us a new owner as I assure you our owner wants to sell

 

[petcharlie]

Bit of a bizarre response, you were saying £10m was cheap and I was just saying at that time it was probably right due to our position at the time. How you’ve managed to twist that into going on about wilder I don’t know. You really don’t like the prince do you.

I have nothing what so ever against the prince but I feel we are being taken for a ride . Maybe I am looking into things a little to deeply but I don't think so . I feel the prince is not a lover of this club and saw a golden opportunity to make a few grand ,It may have gone wrong for him and he wants out . So sooner the better because as things stand now the only way we are going is backwards. I mentioned Wilder because some seem to think it was the prince that got us to the prem well I think it was more down to Wilder.

 

[petcharlie]

You don’t get it do you.
the money was wasted by our previous manager when he bought players with no resale value on inflated contracts and then “awarded” our senior players with similar inflated contracts.

YOU CANNOT SPEND MONEY YOU HAVE NOT GOT!!!!

or you can if you want to be the next derby county or Sheffield…………..

find us a new owner as I assure you our owner wants to sell

Well we agree one thing and that is I want him to sell to . Infact the sooner the better. The previous manager signed players who were not his first choice thanks to us paying peanuts compared to other clubs who when finding we were interested just stepped in and took them off our hook. Villa being a prime example. it was a joke and even now I don't take no notice of news items linking us to players because if anything above half a million fee is involved we won't be buying. Which is a sorry state of affairs for a club who get 25000 in the gates and are in receipt of parachute money with 25mill in the bank after selling the keeper. We have signed some guy from non league Chesterfield who could not get in their team though. Exciting times indeed , now at last we are showing some ambition I DON'T THINK.

 

[bertieblade]

You still don’t get it

 

[petcharlie]

Petcharlie,
who do you suggest taking over?

would you rather us spend money we have not got and follow the likes of derby and our friends up the road, because that is what you are advocating?

Going the way we are going we WILL BE JOINING THEM SOONER THAN YOU THINK. in the third tier . No investment means a downward slide is a cert. As for you thinking I know a individual who is going to buy the club what a stupid question who knows who might be out there but there will be somebody or consortium who might well be in for a club with a good fan base whos ground at the moment is in decent nick and had a nibble at the play offs this year. But that is this year can not see it being like that next year . The training facilities are beginning to fall apart but at the moment the ground looks sound. That might change if as at Shirecliffe it starts to get shabby and needs investment then can not see it happening .

 

[Sean Thornton]

I do grasp it but I am not accepting that we have to sit back and let the club slide back to the lower leagues . for Gods sake sell the bloody club to someone who can afford to run it and concentrate and your other clubs .
There has been a need for the training facilities to be renovated for three bloody years and there has been nothing done. Plenty of yar yar no action a bit like us having to wait for two years for a center half when it was clear what was needed . But if you are satisfied with the way things are panning out with hardly any prospect off reasonable investment in the playing staff or facilities by a club who have been attracting 25000 fans plus every week while still getting parachute payments having had two years in the prem having sold the keeper for 25 mill then you are easily satisfied mate . This club has never had as much money coming into it's bank account has it has had in the last three years yet we are still shopping at the food bank.

Well let’s start with games with no fans. You do remember that? No gate money. No income from caterers. No income from selling hospitality.

Promotion bonuses. Higher wages. Transfer fees. £25m for Ramsdale. What did we pay for him btw?

None of your claims collate with the financial realities. Exactly how do you suggest we spend spend spend. Borrow more? Then another eventually unsuccessful season and things get worse with no parachute money at all.

You’ve had to back away from £1 for half the club, the training pitch injuring the players (after claiming that’s what PH has said) so you’re stuck with weers munneh gone. Well that info is in the public domain so that’s three strikes.

Again, what’s your answer to put everything right?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Going the way we are going we WILL BE JOINING THEM SOONER THAN YOU THINK. in the third tier . No investment means a downward slide is a cert. As for you thinking I know a individual who is going to buy the club what a stupid question who knows who might be out there but there will be somebody or consortium who might well be in for a club with a good fan base whos ground at the moment is in decent nick and had a nibble at the play offs this year. But that is this year can not see it being like that next year . The training facilities are beginning to fall apart but at the moment the ground looks sound. That might change if as at Shirecliffe it starts to get shabby and needs investment then can not see it happening .

“Might be”. That’s your solution? There might be. Jesus .

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I genuinely do not know the answer to this, but given all the stuff being thrown around about low wages, what have other promoted sides spent upon promotion?
Let’s say last 5 years, what’s the transfer spend of those promoted in their first year?
Can someone else me out with realistic and probable numbers? I would think we’re amongst the highest spending amongst those punching at our weight, with Villa and Wolves the main outliers due to their championship FFP busting backers.

 

[Keen Blade]

We were rock bottom ,last, lagging behind, Every single club in the prem with our wage bill. Yes 2.5 mill a year is a lot of money but thats nowt comparing other clubs in the prem. Obscene yes but fact

We only had a certain amount of money to spend , which (because we were new arrivals) had to be split between transfer fees & wages. We obviously couldn't spend over £100m in fees + then pay big wages on top of that.
What did you want the club to do ? Print its own banknotes ?
Get real.
Then our acquisitions turned out mainly poor + JoC got broken.
And then McCabe wanted paying for the ground etc.
Moaning that the Prince is not a billionaire sugar daddy is a waste of your breath.
Did you want the club to borrow to pay big wages + be saddled with even more debt ?

 

[Keen Blade]

T he thing I do SEE is a Football club at a standstill and slowly starting to slip back without any signs of our owner being able or unwilling to do anything about it. Slow but sure we will soon be where we were 4 or 5 years ago if action is not taken.

Yes , I agree , so what are YOU gonna do about it , apart from moaning that our owner isn't a billionaire sugar daddy ? Have you got £100m sitting around to buy the club and another £100m to give it a financial boost ?
Stop moaning about stuff that no one can change.

 

[Keen Blade]

You are correct but how does that help the club? Do we just sit back and let the club slide back to where it was and accept it or do we encourage change .

Is that what you're doing ? Encouraging change ? Are you contacting the billionaires you know , asking them to bid for the club ? Tell me what practical effect your moaning is having ?

 

[bertieblade]

One of the easiest things in life is to be critical, one of the hardest is to find a solution to the criticism.
People who offer solutions earn respect, those that offer continual criticism; well draw your own conclusion

 

[nickwr37]

Going the way we are going we WILL BE JOINING THEM SOONER THAN YOU THINK. in the third tier . No investment means a downward slide is a cert. As for you thinking I know a individual who is going to buy the club what a stupid question who knows who might be out there but there will be somebody or consortium who might well be in for a club with a good fan base whos ground at the moment is in decent nick and had a nibble at the play offs this year. But that is this year can not see it being like that next year . The training facilities are beginning to fall apart but at the moment the ground looks sound. That might change if as at Shirecliffe it starts to get shabby and needs investment then can not see it happening .

Good read this thread with strong opinions that I shall not comment on but this sprung to mind....

 

[bertieblade]

Great track

 

[nickwr37]

Great track

Fitting don't you think?

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Good read this thread with strong opinions that I shall not comment on but this sprung to mind....

I loved Tom Petty , not just for his own performances but also his knowledge and appreciation of the origins of the music .

The YouTube video of him having discovered and getting his band to play Hank Williams’ Lost Highway’ says it all for me .

 

[petcharlie]

Is that what you're doing ? Encouraging change ? Are you contacting the billionaires you know , asking them to bid for the club ? Tell me what practical effect your moaning is having ?

Stupid reaction

 

[MagnifiqueShorehamStreet]

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the past couple of years, I’m afraid the present owners appear to have lost all ambition for the club.
Reports of Hecky still waiting to know what his transfer budget is, if indeed he has one,and the parlour state of our training facilities are just 2 examples of this.
We need new owners, if the club is to avoid going on another depressing slide.

 

[petcharlie]

Yes , I agree , so what are YOU gonna do about it , apart from moaning that our owner isn't a billionaire sugar daddy ? Have you got £100m sitting around to buy the club and another £100m to give it a financial boost ?
Stop moaning about stuff that no one can change.

Once again a stupid reaction of course how many do you think on here knows a billionaire? Do you think change can not happen? Of course it can and it will but you sound a defeatist . If everyone had your attitude we will gradually slide down the league but so what? We can't do anything about it can we. We just sit back and let it happen don't we . Well lets hope there are more Blades fans out there who have grown a pair and make their feelings known what they think about a total lack of investment in our club. If the prince can not afford the general up keep of the club for Gods sake move aside and concentrate on his other clubs. This is exactly why the league now checks to see if a person or consortium has the finances in place to be able to afford to run a club and thank God they do. The prince has a number of clubs and it seems they ALL need investment . We were told that these relationships involving all his clubs would benefit SUFC well I have not noticed any benefits yet and I don't expect any either.

 

[petcharlie]

“Might be”. That’s your solution? There might be. Jesus .

Not a solution just facts