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Wapping Blade said:
Thought Quansah was a tad unlucky as his foot came up off the top of the ball.
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The red I think while harsh, was perfectly understandable. In real time, I think it's just clumsy, no malice, but he went over the ball, studs up, that's long been established as a no-no. The slowed down version makes in look MUCH worse though. I'm not a footballer, so don't really know what I'm talking about but I think a player could have made that challenge without going over the ball so he doesn't really have an argument.
 



Ron_Justice said:
The red I think while harsh, was perfectly understandable. In real time, I think it's just clumsy, no malice, but he went over the ball, studs up, that's long been established as a no-no. The slowed down version makes in look MUCH worse though. I'm not a footballer, so don't really know what I'm talking about but I think a player could have made that challenge without going over the ball so he doesn't really have an argument.
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In real time from the distance of the camera it looked like he took the ball cleanly.

But even at normal speed up close it’s clearly a studs up and hits the lad on the shin, so I’ve no issue with a red for it.

As you said, no malice and no intent to harm but I think they say that it’s out of control and high so it’s been a red for years because it can hurt a player if he’s standing on that leg. He was trying to win the ball but it was perhaps a little reckless
 
derfblade.3 said:
Top substitutions by Tuchel. Stones and Burn made us more solid and then Rogers worked his arse off.
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What I really loved, and it surprised me, was that there wasn’t a single player you’d pick out and say he had a bad game. Everyone stepped up when in all the previous games we’ve had some questionable performances by individuals and the team.

Last night every player did their job. Even with adversity, they performed and showed no signs of pressure.

Quansahs red was just a bit reckless rather than a player losing his head and flying in. So even if we’d lost I don’t think any blame could’ve gone on him.

The big issue is who do you pick from all that for MoM. Gordon was exceptional second half when we could use him as an outlet. Saka showed some class first half. Rice and Anderson just did their job and the back four were solid. Pickford was on top of his game, again after a very questionable game against Congo.

Kane put in the captains performance and was selfless as well on the second goal.

But I think it had to be Bellingham. Two goals, but his display when under pressure from Mexican players, perhaps 2-3 around him swarming him when he got the ball, he was unplayable at times. His running never stopped
 
The problem with matches like this is that you can’t use a UEFA official or CONMEBOL or possibly even CONCACAF (Central/South America) so we end up with a dual national referee who is Iranian and Australian. In general he had an ok game but for our penalty he wasn’t strong enough in getting the Mexico players out of the penalty area and the keeper onto his goal line rather than the 6 yard line, he should have got his cards out for them. He was strong in chasing down one Mexico player to give a strong word but then didn’t allow it. For Mexico’s penalty he was stood with a clear view of it so not quite sure how he didn’t see the incident and was pressurised by the Mexico players and spectators. The red card was correct a bit unlucky as I don’t think there was initially intent but he does catch him high and studs showing
 
JustLookin said:
Perfectly sums up the Mexican players that. Every time they were touched, they were down on the floor or waving imaginary yellow cards in the air. Right set of crybaby cocksuckers. Fuck ‘em. I’m glad they’re out, and I’m glad it was us.
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There wasn’t enough camera shots in the ground of crying Mexicans, it always beautiful to see the home fans tears.
 
CrookesBlade said:
Fantastic result.

We’d managed the game well 1st half but looked ropey on set pieces and got punished.

Quansah was a red and a stupid challenge.

Penalty just emphasised why I hate VAR. By the most stringent interpretation of the rules it’s probably a foul but when I go to play 5 aside tonight that will be literally every other challenge.

Crucially it’s also not gonna be given as a free kick anywhere else on the pitch, it’s so innocuous. The role of VAR here seems to be “can we possibly give something here to justify its existence and inject some false jeopardy”.

Even if you agree it’s a foul then there is still the inconsistency of how it’s applied. The ref saw the incident and waved play on. It does not meet the threshold for “clear and obvious” in any way. It’s at the whim of the VAR team and whoever else gives them their orders as to what gets overturned.
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On the very same day, prior to Brazil‘s penalty, high up field, a Brasil player kicks through the Norway midfielder‘s foot to win the ball.

More forceful by a distance. VAR gives Brazil the pen, ignoring the earlier situation. A perfect illustration of your point. No consistency.

Equally, plenty of pens given so far where players know there will be contact soon, so initiate the falling sequence voluntarily already before such contact. Super slow-mo picks it up easily. Kane vs Congo no pen, fine if that is consistently enforced to motivate staying on your feet. But again it is not.

VAR almost always is worse for the game even if correct decisions are reached. The inconsistency kills it because in a huge number of cases two decisions can each be justified as correct with plenty of recent precedent.

How is Balogun a red but Messi isn’t? Both tread on their opponent, badly bending the ankle. One does so without looking, red. The other pretty much knows what he does, nothing. Not enough force cited in justification.

The system stinks and is deeply anti-football.
 
SwissBlade said:
What I really loved, and it surprised me, was that there wasn’t a single player you’d pick out and say he had a bad game. Everyone stepped up when in all the previous games we’ve had some questionable performances by individuals and the team.

Last night every player did their job. Even with adversity, they performed and showed no signs of pressure.

Quansahs red was just a bit reckless rather than a player losing his head and flying in. So even if we’d lost I don’t think any blame could’ve gone on him.

The big issue is who do you pick from all that for MoM. Gordon was exceptional second half when we could use him as an outlet. Saka showed some class first half. Rice and Anderson just did their job and the back four were solid. Pickford was on top of his game, again after a very questionable game against Congo.

Kane put in the captains performance and was selfless as well on the second goal.

But I think it had to be Bellingham. Two goals, but his display when under pressure from Mexican players, perhaps 2-3 around him swarming him when he got the ball, he was unplayable at times. His running never stopped
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Bellingham for England is the player Gerrard was for Liverpool - never properly translated to international stage because they all seemed to hate each other. At times last night it looked like a dad playing against his kids as he bundled his way past 2/3 players. At 23 he really has the chance to be one of the greats of our game imo.
 
I was slating Konsa first half, I thought his marking of Jimenez was loose at best, but fair play he was excellent second half.

Quansah was a stupid boy for an unnecessary challenge but was having a good game.

Burn and Spence really played their part off the bench.

Of course Bellingham, Rice, Guehi and Pickford were absolute lions but there wasn’t a bad performance from anyone.
 
SwissBlade said:
What I really loved, and it surprised me, was that there wasn’t a single player you’d pick out and say he had a bad game. Everyone stepped up when in all the previous games we’ve had some questionable performances by individuals and the team.

Last night every player did their job. Even with adversity, they performed and showed no signs of pressure.

Quansahs red was just a bit reckless rather than a player losing his head and flying in. So even if we’d lost I don’t think any blame could’ve gone on him.

The big issue is who do you pick from all that for MoM. Gordon was exceptional second half when we could use him as an outlet. Saka showed some class first half. Rice and Anderson just did their job and the back four were solid. Pickford was on top of his game, again after a very questionable game against Congo.

Kane put in the captains performance and was selfless as well on the second goal.

But I think it had to be Bellingham. Two goals, but his display when under pressure from Mexican players, perhaps 2-3 around him swarming him when he got the ball, he was unplayable at times. His running never stopped
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The goal saving clearance in his own six yard box just before halftime too. Immense at times
 



joe casey said:
Bellingham for England is the player Gerrard was for Liverpool - never properly translated to international stage because they all seemed to hate each other. At times last night it looked like a dad playing against his kids as he bundled his way past 2/3 players. At 23 he really has the chance to be one of the greats of our game imo.
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The run into the box for his 1st was impressive too, the angle from behind and above the goal is best as you see the distance he covers initially then pushes even further, (fuck it why not) "Billy Sharpesque" to get in the position at the perfect time and not only the quality finish on the 2nd but that defending to kick the ball out for a corner just before half time was crucial.
 
I must say I'm enjoying the World Cup. Despite its chaotic nature, the games are shining through the controversies especially now we're in the knockout stages. Last night was epic and seeing Norway dump Brazil out. Cape Verde. What a story. There's been a lot of praise for the stadiums. I can't comment. As for atmosphere it probably helps that the US are still in it. But the games on the schedule this week are mouthwatering to use a cliché. We're seeing the top players excel too.
 
SwissBlade said:
What I really loved, and it surprised me, was that there wasn’t a single player you’d pick out and say he had a bad game. Everyone stepped up when in all the previous games we’ve had some questionable performances by individuals and the team.

Last night every player did their job. Even with adversity, they performed and showed no signs of pressure.

Quansahs red was just a bit reckless rather than a player losing his head and flying in. So even if we’d lost I don’t think any blame could’ve gone on him.

The big issue is who do you pick from all that for MoM. Gordon was exceptional second half when we could use him as an outlet. Saka showed some class first half. Rice and Anderson just did their job and the back four were solid. Pickford was on top of his game, again after a very questionable game against Congo.

Kane put in the captains performance and was selfless as well on the second goal.

But I think it had to be Bellingham. Two goals, but his display when under pressure from Mexican players, perhaps 2-3 around him swarming him when he got the ball, he was unplayable at times. His running never stopped
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Agree, Bellingham for me too. Gordon and Pickford very close behind.
 



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