The same squad?

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sufc 2 spurs 2.......
Sheff Utd... team

• • 1Howard
  • 2Alcock
  • 15Collins
  • 17McGahey
  • 3HarrisMcEveley
  • 6Basham
  • 8DoyleBooked at 90mins
  • 16Davies
  • 11BaxterJ Wallace
  • 7FlynnCampbell-Ryce
  • 12McNulty
  Substitutes
  
  • 4J Wallace
  • 9Murphy
  • 19McEveley
  • 20Campbell-Ryce
  • 21Higdon
  • 22Reed
• west ham 1 sufc 1 sufc win on pens.....
• .sheff utd team
• • 1Howard
  • 2Alcock
  • 15Collins
  • 17McGahey
  • 3HarrisMcEveley
  • 6Basham
  • 8DoyleBooked at 90mins
  • 16Davies
  • 11BaxterJ Wallace
  • 7FlynnCampbell-Ryce
  • 12McNulty
  Substitutes
  • 4J Wallace
  • 9Murphy
  • 19McEveley
  • 20Campbell-Ryce
  • 21Higdon
  • 22Reed
  now no murphy at west ham , no maguire, but still performed excellently under a manager who got sacked with a better record than Adkins
  

 

[BeatleBlade]

We are only 6 points behind where we were last year at 40 games. Also, if this had been last year we'd be only 2 points off 6th rather than 6 this year.
Considering the parameters that Adkins has had to work with small budget to bring in anyone, losing our best player, losing another one to a drug problem, a lot of players seemingly working against the clubs interest and lots of injuries at the start it's actually surprisingly well in a sense.
Obviously, it's not good enough by any means but I hardly think it's his fault even though he has made mistakes along the way.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

So you think it's more to do with attitude and work rate? I think it has much more to do with ability and the fact that both managers have brought in players who are not good enough.

I think some of Clough's signings have been lacking in attitude, consistency and workrate (Coutts, McNulty, Freeman, Higdon etc) and in some cases ability (McEveley, Basham, Harris, McGahey, McCarthy, Butler, Higdon again etc).

Adkins seems to have tried to sign players with better attitudes and work ethic but they are largely very limited in ability (Woolford, Sammon, Hammond etc.). Sharp and to some extent Edgar have shown a combination of the right attitude together with ability. We need more ability from Adkins' summer signings to compliment the character he's brought in so far.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

sufc 2 spurs 2.......
Sheff Utd... team

• • 1Howard
  • 2Alcock
  • 15Collins
  • 17McGahey
  • 3HarrisMcEveley
  • 6Basham
  • 8DoyleBooked at 90mins
  • 16Davies
  • 11BaxterJ Wallace
  • 7FlynnCampbell-Ryce
  • 12McNulty
  Substitutes
  
  • 4J Wallace
  • 9Murphy
  • 19McEveley
  • 20Campbell-Ryce
  • 21Higdon
  • 22Reed
• west ham 1 sufc 1 sufc win on pens.....
• .sheff utd team
• • 1Howard
  • 2Alcock
  • 15Collins
  • 17McGahey
  • 3HarrisMcEveley
  • 6Basham
  • 8DoyleBooked at 90mins
  • 16Davies
  • 11BaxterJ Wallace
  • 7FlynnCampbell-Ryce
  • 12McNulty
  Substitutes
  • 4J Wallace
  • 9Murphy
  • 19McEveley
  • 20Campbell-Ryce
  • 21Higdon
  • 22Reed
  now no murphy at west ham , no maguire, but still performed excellently under a manager who got sacked with a better record than Adkins

Or if we tell the truth the team that played Spurs was

Sheff Utd

• 1Howard
• 7Flynn- Booked at 58mins
• 6Basham- Booked at 90mins
• 19McEveley
• 3Harris
• 8Doyle- Booked at 45mins- Substituted forReedat 65'minutes
• 20Campbell-Ryce- Substituted for Adams at 74'minutes
• 10Scougall
• 11Baxter
• 9Murphy
• 12McNulty-Substituted for Higdon at 74'minutes

Substitutes

• 2Alcock
• 21Higdon
• 22Reed
• 24Turner
• 27Kennedy
• 29Adams
• 33K Wallace

 

[blade too long]

We are only 6 points behind where we were last year at 40 games. Also, if this had been last year we'd be only 2 points off 6th rather than 6 this year.
Considering the parameters that Adkins has had to work with small budget to bring in anyone, losing our best player, losing another one to a drug problem, a lot of players seemingly working against the clubs interest and lots of injuries at the start it's actually surprisingly well in a sense.
Obviously, it's not good enough by any means but I hardly think it's his fault even though he has made mistakes along the way.

losing our best player , really
tell me one league one club thats not lost some of its best players to ambition
Swindon were decimated by players leaving Chesterfield lost several
cant think of many that havent lost players

are we really saying we have become so much worse for losing one player , who actually played , oh let me rephrase that turned out at Gillingham , What if he we kept him and hed done his cruciate , would we feel sorry for ourselves or say we should have replaced him

 

[blade too long]

Or if we tell the truth the team that played Spurs was

Sheff Utd

• 1Howard
• 7Flynn- Booked at 58mins
• 6Basham- Booked at 90mins
• 19McEveley
• 3Harris
• 8Doyle- Booked at 45mins- Substituted forReedat 65'minutes
• 20Campbell-Ryce- Substituted for Adams at 74'minutes
• 10Scougall
• 11Baxter
• 9Murphy
• 12McNulty-Substituted for Higdon at 74'minutes

Substitutes

• 2Alcock
• 21Higdon
• 22Reed
• 24Turner
• 27Kennedy
• 29Adams
• 33K Wallace

mines copied and pasted off the bbc website

the lying bastards

 

[1danewhitehouse]

mines copied and pasted off the bbc website

the lying bastards

I think you'll find mine is. You have just posted the same team twice (the team from the west ham game) and quoted it as being from the Spurs game.

 

[PeteBlade]

losing our best player , really
tell me one league one club thats not lost some of its best players to ambition
Swindon were decimated by players leaving Chesterfield lost several
cant think of many that havent lost players

are we really saying we have become so much worse for losing one player , who actually played , oh let me rephrase that turned out at Gillingham , What if he we kept him and hed done his cruciate , would we feel sorry for ourselves or say we should have replaced him

So we weren't weakened by losing our best player because if we'd kept him he might have done his cruciate?

Your arguments get more and more bizarre.

 

[blade too long]

I think you'll find mine is. You have just posted the same team twice (the team from the west ham game) and quoted it as being from the Spurs game.

looks the case I must admit , one didnt paste right obvious I recopied the wrong one

 

[blade too long]

So we weren't weakened by losing our best player because if we'd kept him he might have done his cruciate?

Your arguments get more and more bizarre.

just offering a different scenario
losing 1 player should not cripple any team
this fallicy we are uttter shit this season as the board wanted to sell Murphy is plain wrong
we let an ambitious player go and play in the championship and get in the scotland team


end of

 

[1danewhitehouse]

are we really saying we have become so much worse for losing one player

If we continue our average form for this season we will finish on 67 points. That's 4 points worse than last season. So, yes, I reckon we have become that much worse by selling one player (our best at the time and currently playing top end championship).

But it's OK because Swindon and Chesterfield have also lost players.

 

[Barney]

If we continue our average form for this season we will finish on 67 points. That's 4 points worse than last season. So, yes, I reckon we have become that much worse by selling one player (our best at the time and currently playing top end championship).

But it's OK because Swindon and Chesterfield have also lost players.

You cannot put it solely down to the loss of one player.

 

[PeteBlade]

just offering a different scenario
losing 1 player should not cripple any team
this fallicy we are uttter shit this season as the board wanted to sell Murphy is plain wrong
we let an ambitious player go and play in the championship and get in the scotland team


end of

That's not what has been said at all, much as you might like it to be.

The argument has been we are weaker and we haven't replaced him adequately ( the same as with Maguire).

You'll have to trust me on this that we are and we haven't.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

this fallicy we are uttter shit this season as the board wanted to sell Murphy is plain wrong

end of

Nobody is saying that. They are saying we are a bit worse this season than last because we once again sold our best player (Murphy). We were a bit worse last season than the season before (bar the Weir debacle) because we sold our best player (Maguire). We were a bit worse in the second half of 2012-13 than in the first half because we sold our top scorer (Blackman). We were worse in 2012-13 than 2011-12 because we lost Evans, Lowton, Williamson, LJF and Quinn.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

You cannot put it solely down to the loss of one player.

There are a number of variables but I feel pretty confident that if you add Jamie Murphy to the squad we've had this season we wouldn't have got less points this season than last.

 

[PeteBlade]

Nobody is saying that. They are saying we are a bit worse this season than last because we once again sold our best player (Murphy). We were a bit worse last season than the season before (bar the Weir debacle) because we sold our best player (Maguire). We were a bit worse in the second half of 2012-13 than in the first half because we sold our top scorer (Blackman). We were worse in 2012-13 than 2011-12 because we lost Evans, Lowton, Williamson, LJF and Quinn.

It's almost like there's a pattern emerging...

 

[Barney]

There are a number of variables but I feel pretty confident that if you add Jamie Murphy to the squad we've had this season we wouldn't have got less points this season than last.

Maybe so, but that's hypothetical and not what I was replying to. Saying " So, yes, I reckon we have become that much worse by selling one player" heavily comes across as though you think we have achieved less points this season purely because Murphy was sold. I was just saying how you can't put a points difference solely down to one factor, because as you now say, there are many.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Maybe so, but that's hypothetical and not what I was replying to. Saying " So, yes, I reckon we have become that much worse by selling one player" heavily comes across as though you think we have achieved less points this season purely because Murphy was sold. I was just saying how you can't put a points difference solely down to one factor, because as you now say, there are many.

Agreed there are many but it's often said that having a good keeper can save you 10 points a season. I think it's fair to say that having a very good (relative to this league) left winger would likely have gained us at least the 4 points that we stand to be short from last season. The point is, I think the regression is less than or equal to the weakening of the team that was caused by the sale of Murphy.

 

[Barney]

Agreed there are many but it's often said that having a good keeper can save you 10 points a season. I think it's fair to say that having a very good (relative to this league) left winger would likely have gained us at least the 4 points that we stand to be short from last season. The point is, I think the regression is less than or equal to the weakening of the team that was caused by the sale of Murphy.

There are many factors. That was the only thing I was commenting on, everything else - irrelevant to the point I was making.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

There are many factors. That was the only thing I was commenting on, everything else - irrelevant to the point I was making.

I agree there are but the point you were making was in response to a point I was making that the loss of Murphy could easily be enough to account for the fairly modest regression from last season.

 

[PeteBlade]

I agree there are but the point you were making was in response to a point I was making that the loss of Murphy could easily be enough to account for the fairly modest regression from last season.

The point you were making in response to the point he was making is irrelevant to the point I was making in that the cup squads were different.

Pointedly so.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

The point you were making in response to the point he was making is irrelevant to the point I was making in that the cup squads were different.

Pointedly so.

That's not the point.

 

[PeteBlade]

That's not the point.

This is getting pointless.

 

[Barney]

I agree there are but the point you were making was in response to a point I was making that the loss of Murphy could easily be enough to account for the fairly modest regression from last season.

If that's what you had actually said then it would be different. You slowly evolved into making that point but initially you implied that the regression is solely down to the fact that Murphy was sold.

 

[blade too long]

That's not what has been said at all, much as you might like it to be.

The argument has been we are weaker and we haven't replaced him adequately ( the same as with Maguire).

You'll have to trust me on this that we are and we haven't.

but why havent we found anyone to ,if not replace cover for him

because the incumbent in the managers office chose not to
instead just waste moths chasing unavailable players

I wont say but we bought sharp as hes not a winger , but we in him got a good addition to the squad
so a slightly less adequate player to put in Murphys role could have come on loan

 

[blade too long]

fairly modest regression , by most doom sayers accounts we are thoroughly dreadful now

There are a number of variables but I feel pretty confident that if you add Jamie Murphy to the squad we've had this season we wouldn't have got less points this season than last.

well the stats say we had a 100 per cent loss ratio this season when Murphy played if you insist on using stats we dont know if we would be better, some say we were nt that good last season with him
it changes to suit some peoples arguments how good bad we were
Ive had it argued we got to 5th by default as the league was so poor , which degrades Murphys input last season

I get told he was our leading light but we were still crap , which sort of is an argument in itself

 

[PeteBlade]

but why havent we found anyone to ,if not replace cover for him

because the incumbent in the managers office chose not to
instead just waste moths chasing unavailable players

I wont say but we bought sharp as hes not a winger , but we in him got a good addition to the squad
so a slightly less adequate player to put in Murphys role could have come on loan

Because, as ive repeatedly made the point in this thread, he hasn't been given the opportunity to do so and hasn't been backed by the board.

I notice you've ducked out of the other thread where you made the ludicrous claim that we were the league's highest spenders based on an obscure website that calculates our squad's value based on academy players and loan players we don't own and who values Connor Sammon as one of our most valuable assets.

 

[blade too long]

Because, as ive repeatedly made the point in this thread, he hasn't been given the opportunity to do so and hasn't been backed by the board.

I notice you've ducked out of the other thread where you made the ludicrous claim that we were the league's highest spenders based on an obscure website that calculates our squad's value based on academy players and loan players we don't own and who values Connor Sammon as one of our most valuable assets.

again it was clearly stated on Skys coverage , the leagues biggest spenders, and where have the board declined any loans

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/spor...nings-wasn-t-through-lack-of-effort-1-7716893


MONEY WAS PUT ON THE TABLE,,, aDKINS QUOTE

 

[LoughboroBlade]

MONEY WAS PUT ON THE TABLE

 

[BushBlade]

I know we already have some off topic forums but is there any chance of setting up another for 'Pointless Arguments Against Insane Gibberish'?