The following are not good enough for a promotion-seeking team

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spongebobblade said:
Wilder or not, was/is a complete rebuild necessary? It’s a massive gamble by the board in our final parachute payment season. We are criminally short of experienced players in positions that every fan knew about before we even kicked a ball and for the umpteenth season we go into it underprepared. Some daft knee jerk reactions but it’s concerning. We need to get busy in the market now and fast. The manner of the defeat will not help in the boards call for patience
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Comes down to lack of proper planning before play off final - I think club banked on us going up and no plan B if we didn’t.

As play off final is so far from normal season close, planning time is short, especially if you don’t go up and risk losing best players.

The indecision over Wilder and split board before appointing new manager is another waste of critical planning time and new manager doesn’t really know what he needs until he sees players in action at pre-season.

Coupled with losing some of best players, we really should have had a contingency plan. Maybe we have players waiting to come in but we look extremely light in so many areas. For how many seasons have we relied on on JLT ?

Next few weeks will be very interesting but already feel Selles has a real uphill battle to reinforce the squad and more importantly win over the fans
 
At least wait until we see what the squad looks like at the end of the window.

Anyone who watched the pre-season games could see we had the potential to be exciting going forward but could be exposed at the back.

My hope and expectation is that with two or three capable defenders, Soumare, maybe TI from Everton, hopefully OA and TD back in the fold come the Autumn, then we'll be a very different proposition.

If we don't properly address the defence and look at protecting it more, then I'll have to concede that either Selles is naive, or the board have hung him out to dry.

I'd prefer to wait until at least September first though.
 
I am no expert but we need a defensive minded midfield player to protect the defence and break up opposition attacks.

Peck has done well, but I would not say that role is his forte.

We also need experienced centre halves the young lad who played needed help, not a baptism of fire and RND is a makeshift Centre half at best.

Hopefully the gaffer will have learn't from this - all out attack with no defensive plan is suicide.

HH
 
FMBlade1 said:
RND
Peck
Seriki
Brooks

(Potentially Bindon & Cannon as well but not going to judge them yet)

Not a knee-jerk reaction to today, it's something that's been evident for a while.

They are all good lads and have potential and are ok when they have lots of other strong players around them but if we are forced to rely on them for long stretches this season we'll be lucky to stay up let alone get up.

We all know there's a long way to go until the window shuts and the team isn't settled but until then I'd rather have a half-fit Davies and Robinson in the team than these lot.
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I think you're right on all 4. They're good enough to be in the squad and further developed by playing a bit part (with the exception of RND who seems to be done), but to have them in your first 11 is not good enough for a promotion chasing side. That's where we're at though I'm afraid, we're not a promotion chasing side as things stand.
 
FMBlade1 said:
One needs a move to league one as well- can't rely on him being a striking option off the bench.
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I thought One was really poor on Saturday but both him and Cannon put on as wide men was just a bizarre tactic at that stage to employ.

I’m thinking we are at least 6 short - 3 straight into first 11 and 3 for squad - it’s alarming the rate out and poor rate in.

We were losing 4-1 but at that point body language from players was not great.

The owners albeit new to the game must realise squad depth is everything. 2 injuries to this squad and we are well and truly deep in it.
 
Peck produced some fantastic performances last season, but then he was playing alongside Vini Souza. He isn’t strong enough, good enough or experienced enough to take over where Souza left off.
Brooks and Seriki are both very inconsistent and if Selles believes that we would mount a serious promotion challenge, whilst relying on them, he must know differently now?
One’ needs a League 1 season long loan, as he’s nowhere near Championship levels just yet.

This system wont work without a functioning defence. We desperately need an experienced RB to come in and 2 CB, as a bare minimum before September, without them Selles will be gone before Halloween 🎃
 
FMBlade1 said:
RND
Peck
Seriki
Brooks

(Potentially Bindon & Cannon as well but not going to judge them yet)

Not a knee-jerk reaction to today, it's something that's been evident for a while.

They are all good lads and have potential and are ok when they have lots of other strong players around them but if we are forced to rely on them for long stretches this season we'll be lucky to stay up let alone get up.

We all know there's a long way to go until the window shuts and the team isn't settled but until then I'd rather have a half-fit Davies and Robinson in the team than these lot.
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Fans get carried away one way or the other, go back 10 months and some on here were seriously mentioning burrows playing for England, and yes the men's team, and yes they were serious!!! It's about consistency in football and if the players were able to do it consistently they wouldnt be playing for us, that's the top and bottom of it, the 4 players you've mentioned ability wise are as good as any in their position on their day but lack consistency,
 
100% correct, a great example of this is Jack Grealish on his day he does serious damage but that may be 1 game in 4 hence his loan move to Everton from Man City
 
ancientblade said:
peck turns in to trouble far too often doesnt seem aware theres danger around him he was asked to do the souza role today and he wasnt up to it im afraid very dissapointed with brooks again today hes been given his chance but doesnt seem up to it
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I thought Peck did quite well actually.
 
Bramhall Lane blade said:
Peck was very good last season,a young lad in his breakthrough season.Were we not a promotion chasing team last season ??
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He wasn't. He was ok, how many goals and assists and MOTM game winning performances did he put in?

Was poor in the play-off final, Davies should have started instead.

I think because he played in our academy he is viewed more favourably.

He has potential and talent no doubt, but he's not a top 3 player.
 

I’ve always been a supporter of Brooks, but if he himself needed a stark example of what is required from a Sheffield United wide player…He only had to look across the park and see what Barry was doing…Sadly Brooks failed miserably
 
FMBlade1 said:
He wasn't. He was ok, how many goals and assists and MOTM game winning performances did he put in?

Was poor in the play-off final, Davies should have started instead.

I think because he played in our academy he is viewed more favourably.

He has potential and talent no doubt, but he's not a top 3 player.
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Nobody was calling for Davies to start over Peck for the PO final.
 
Swinton Blade said:
Nobody was calling for Davies to start over Peck for the PO final.
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And that precisely proves the problem with this club.

Experienced player with premier League pedigree is left on the bench while a relatively raw youngster starts at Wembley in a £100-million match.
 
The following thread is not good enough, for a sensible footballing discussion

FMBlade1

Thread 'The following are not good enough for a promotion-seeking team'

RND
Peck
Seriki
Brooks

(Potentially Bindon & Cannon as well but not going to judge them yet)

Not a knee-jerk reaction to today, it's something that's been evident for a while.

They are all good lads and have potential and are ok when they have lots of other strong players around them but if we are forced to rely on them for long stretches this season we'll be lucky to stay up let alone get up.

We all know there's a long way to go until the window shuts and the team isn't settled but until then I'd rather have a half-fit Davies and Robinson in the team than these lot.
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Gin&Juice said:
one fucking game
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Nope, much of this was evident last season.

How many goals did Peck, One, Cannon and Brooks score last season and how many assists did they provide?

Did RND look convincing last season? He has a shocker vs Cardiff who are now playing in League One if you want to look at another fucking game.
 
FMBlade1 said:
Nope, much of this was evident last season.

How many goals did Peck, One, Cannon and Brooks score last season and how many assists did they provide?

Did RND look convincing last season? He has a shocker vs Cardiff who are now playing in League One if you want to look at another fucking game.
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RND isn’t good enough. I’ll give you that. Injuries have fucked him. We didn’t use him at all last season only during desperation. Same currently. Selles knows he can’t rely on him.

Peck - Did alright last season, I think he showed he’s good enough, he played in a team that was in the autos most of the season. He’s young, but he’s got a good football brain. I see no major worry.

One - Cameos from the bench, isn’t he 19? I don’t think it’s fair to make that assumption at this moment. We shouldn’t be relying on him, and I don’t think we will be.

Cannon - Who knows? Stupid signing in the grand scheme, but he hasn’t really had a full run out or consistent game time, so again, i’d refrain from knee-jerk reactions.

Brooks - Typical young winger, 21 years old, blows hot and cold. We’ve had some dogger wingers in the past, he’s definitely not one of them. I do think when he’s on it, he’s more than good enough. We need someone to rotate with him, but I definitely wouldn’t be writing him off.
 
Gin&Juice said:
RND isn’t good enough. I’ll give you that. Injuries have fucked him. We didn’t use him at all last season only during desperation. Same currently. Selles knows he can’t rely on him.

Peck - Did alright last season, I think he showed he’s good enough, he played in a team that was in the autos most of the season. He’s young, but he’s got a good football brain. I see no major worry.

One - Cameos from the bench, isn’t he 19? I don’t think it’s fair to make that assumption at this moment. We shouldn’t be relying on him, and I don’t think we will be.

Cannon - Who knows? Stupid signing in the grand scheme, but he hasn’t really had a full run out or consistent game time, so again, i’d refrain from knee-jerk reactions.

Brooks - Typical young winger, 21 years old, blows hot and cold. We’ve had some dogger wingers in the past, he’s definitely not one of them. I do think when he’s on it, he’s more than good enough. We need someone to rotate with him, but I definitely wouldn’t be writing him off.
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To be clear again the younger players all have potential and have a part to play, yet it should not be a big one (i.e. relied upon) for this season.

To take one example Brooks has one good/effective game in 4, and last season only scored three times.

For the amount of minutes he's playing we would need double or triple those figures.
 
I fear there will be more names to added to this list tonight.

I also fear that those names are not good enough for a team seeking to stay in the championship.
 
They have done nothing today to suggest otherwise.
 
These owners make no sense they brought ln a piss poor manager and spent a lot of money in the process.

Surely it would have been better to invest in a top class manager at this level.

The appointment of Selles Is the most baffling in my lifetime.
 
moody1889 said:
These owners make no sense they brought ln a piss poor manager and spent a lot of money in the process.

Surely it would have been better to invest in a top class manager at this level.

The appointment of Selles Is the most baffling in my lifetime.
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I guess they thought Selles could be a top class manager at this level. Not an unreasonable position prior to Bristol City (H)
 

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