Tanganga

[Brownieblade]

O’Neil said the opposite…. That it was O’Neils decision to not involve him.

Sorry I realised the confusion, I was talking how it was taken away from Tangana himself not that it was taken away from O’Neil

But reading back I can see the confusion

 

[Torrix1889]

Who is O'Neil?

 

[Blade58]

I would hope Tanganga shores up our defence. However, after yesterday it looks like our problems run deeper than that?

Players underperforming. Lack of leaders on the pitch. Lack of cohesion. Lack of structure. Lack of confidence. They just don’t look anything like last season at all. I might be over egging it a bit, but somats not right.

From a top of the table team to rock bottom in 5 minutes. Atm it’s hard to see where our first result is coming from?

 

[Brownieblade]

Who is O'Neil?

lol that’s fair, my bad

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

“At no point did Japhet tell me or anybody else that he didn’t want play today. So Japhet wanted to play the game. He was available to play the game.

“The decision was made by me, after I spoke to Jimmy, the owner, and Steve Gallen, the director of football, about what we wanted to do with this.

“What I felt today was, it was better to take him out of the firing line and go with the guys who are obviously in a good mental space and ready to play.

“But I want to make it clear again, Japhet at no stage refused to play today, at any point. In fact, if anything, it was the opposite, and I made a decision for him.”

Asked about Tanganga’s future at the football club, Neil said: “The fact that I took him out of the game, obviously, things have moved on.

“As far as I know, things are not at a conclusion stage just now. I had a good chat with Japhet earlier today. So we’ll see what transpires over the next couple of days.”

 

[Blade56]

So you are deluded as well as bottless

TBF Frank you hang yourself with your own argument. Constant positive arguments against anyone stating the obvious while the building is burning around them is as misguided as you are calling CaptainMorgans

It’s bad Frank, real bad

 

[Frank the tank]

TBF Frank you hang yourself with your own argument. Constant positive arguments against anyone stating the obvious while the building is burning around them is as misguided as you are calling CaptainMorgans

It’s bad Frank, real bad

It's three games THREE !
HE HASNT BEEN BACKED
his system doesn't work without quicker athletic players in defensive positions
We were all agreed before the weekend we needed six or seven players in and only Godfrey came in to the squad so why after a narrow loss to a team that always beat us anyway is it time to.sack.him. ?

Wilders not coming back it will be someone with a similar coaching background to selles and they won't be able to do anything with out the players either

This is a transitional period and we have to ( the board ) back the guy now

 

[PrestwichBlade]

It's three games THREE !
HE HASNT BEEN BACKED
his system doesn't work without quicker athletic players in defensive positions
We were all agreed before the weekend we needed six or seven players in and only Godfrey came in to the squad so why after a narrow loss to a team that always beat us anyway is it time to.sack.him. ?

Wilders not coming back it will be someone with a similar coaching background to selles and they won't be able to do anything with out the players either

This is a transitional period and we have to ( the board ) back the guy now

It's ridiculous isn't it? 3 bloody games. As a club, we're having to completely undo the limiting 'structures' that are still in place. It's going to take time. Is Sellés the right man to do that? I don't know, but constantly flexing back to the comfort blanket of Wilder/Hecky etc is not going to move this club forwards. I don't know why anyone was expecting much different yesterday, 1 new lad in who'd been around the squad less than 48 hours. We're just going to have to see where we are come the end of the window and even then it might take a few weeks before things settle. And if it's still not working then, well perhaps a serious consideration needs to be made, but now?? Nah

 

[Blade56]

It's three games THREE !
HE HASNT BEEN BACKED
his system doesn't work without quicker athletic players in defensive positions
We were all agreed before the weekend we needed six or seven players in and only Godfrey came in to the squad so why after a narrow loss to a team that always beat us anyway is it time to.sack.him. ?

Wilders not coming back it will be someone with a similar coaching background to selles and they won't be able to do anything with out the players either

This is a transitional period and we have to ( the board ) back the guy now

Let’s talk after Boro and Ipswich. But unfortunately employing Sellés is about as constructive as putting me in charge of Man Citteh and I know knowt about football having only following the Blades so I might be totally wrong.

 

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

It's three games THREE !
HE HASNT BEEN BACKED
his system doesn't work without quicker athletic players in defensive positions
We were all agreed before the weekend we needed six or seven players in and only Godfrey came in to the squad so why after a narrow loss to a team that always beat us anyway is it time to.sack.him. ?

Wilders not coming back it will be someone with a similar coaching background to selles and they won't be able to do anything with out the players either

This is a transitional period and we have to ( the board ) back the guy now

Everyone is saying "he doesn't have a clue" but no one knows what he is actually capable of, and basing his whole managerial quality and leadership on the 4 results.

On another day we win yesterday 2-1.

I can't blame selles for Cannon or Ohare being unable to control a ball yesterday.

I can't blame selles for another shoddy transfer window leaving us short for 3 games.

I can't blame selles for the fact we took an age to decide we didn't want wilder, by which time we had missed out on some of the free transfers we could have acquired.

 

[Grizzly blade]

It's ridiculous isn't it? 3 bloody games. As a club, we're having to completely undo the limiting 'structures' that are still in place. It's going to take time. Is Sellés the right man to do that? I don't know, but constantly flexing back to the comfort blanket of Wilder/Hecky etc is not going to move this club forwards. I don't know why anyone was expecting much different yesterday, 1 new lad in who'd been around the squad less than 48 hours. We're just going to have to see where we are come the end of the window and even then it might take a few weeks before things settle. And if it's still not working then, well perhaps a serious consideration needs to be made, but now?? Nah

While I’m not disagreeing as such, I’m going to make the point that this owner group have been in place since January. 8 months.
They arrived having allegedly had advice on transfers, and apparently knew enough about football to make the decision to sack Wilder and his coaching team and replace with Selles, who they considered an excellent coach able to transform the system and style of play.
So begs the question, with such great insight, why haven’t they managed to repair the “structures” you mention? 8 months not enough time to do that?
After all, they were clear how the transfer model would be AI, so could it be a case they adopted a completely flawed model which has exposed their initial poor decision to sack a manager they gave a 3 year deal to 4 months earlier?
Another point, perhaps those failures also apply to their selection of manager to lead these changes- he’s no record of having done that before.
So for me they really have to look at what Selles is doing on a daily basis and explain how he’s going to make it work, and if they don’t know what they’re looking at or understand Selles word salad (which recent decision suggests is the case) then for Christ sake get somebody in who does…and quick.

Because all I am seeing at the minute is a split owners group, undecided on what’s best, who made a knee jerk decision to sack then appoint a manager because he was available for nowt.

 

[Nick Jansky]

£35,000 aweek apparently at millwall.

That will include the signing on fee.

 

[Frank the tank]

Let’s talk after Boro and Ipswich. But unfortunately employing Sellés is about as constructive as putting me in charge of Man Citteh and I know knowt about football having only following the Blades so I might be totally wrong.

Why wait till then you already made your mind up the minute the Messiah got the chop that the new guy wasn't good enough

 

[Whitby-Blade]

I understand he wants to play a certain way and he needs lots more player to do that. The worry is his stubbornness to only play that way when we don’t have the players, the result is zero points, poor performances, square pegs round holes.

Be flexible while the players come in, I get he’s not been backed and recruitment has been slow, so work with what you w got for the time being.

 

[Blade56]

Why wait till then you already made your mind up the minute the Messiah got the chop that the new guy wasn't good enough

Fact checker, I led the cry to a) stop Wilder coming back b) calling for his head on the block when he returned.

 

[Frank the tank]

I understand he wants to play a certain way and he needs lots more player to do that. The worry is his stubbornness to only play that way when we don’t have the players, the result is zero points, poor performances, square pegs round holes.

Be flexible while the players come in, I get he’s not been backed and recruitment has been slow, so work with what you w got for the time being.

Yeah he's not helping himself so far
He's hardly blameless in the poor start

Fact checker, I led the cry to a) stop Wilder coming back b) calling for his head on the block when he returned.

Biy of a pattern developing here

 

[Pandev]

 

[PrestwichBlade]

While I’m not disagreeing as such, I’m going to make the point that this owner group have been in place since January. 8 months.
They arrived having allegedly had advice on transfers, and apparently knew enough about football to make the decision to sack Wilder and his coaching team and replace with Selles, who they considered an excellent coach able to transform the system and style of play.
So begs the question, with such great insight, why haven’t they managed to repair the “structures” you mention? 8 months not enough time to do that?
After all, they were clear how the transfer model would be AI, so could it be a case they adopted a completely flawed model which has exposed their initial poor decision to sack a manager they gave a 3 year deal to 4 months earlier?
Another point, perhaps those failures also apply to their selection of manager to lead these changes- he’s no record of having done that before.
So for me they really have to look at what Selles is doing on a daily basis and explain how he’s going to make it work, and if they don’t know what they’re looking at or understand Selles word salad (which recent decision suggests is the case) then for Christ sake get somebody in who does…and quick.

Because all I am seeing at the minute is a split owners group, undecided on what’s best, who made a knee jerk decision to sack then appoint a manager because he was available for nowt.

Fair points, but if you're asking if 8 months is enough, I'd say no. Wilder was also only dismissed c5 months into their tenure, who was, if rumours are to be believed, one of the main blockers to the changes in structure. As for AI, people still say this as though the board have said this would be the only method of recruitment, which they never did, just that there would be more effective use of data. To some extent, we have to now give Sellés a decent crack of the whip once he has the players in that allows us to change the way we play.

 

[loyalblade95]

Could you imagine the atmosphere if suddenly he doesn't sign for us?

Even if it was Real Madrid, that swooped in and took him last minute, the atmosphere from our fans would go from terrible to horrendous. The existing grief we are aiming towards the owners and Sellés would multiply tenfold, even if it wasn't their fault they'd still not be forgiven.

Exactly, remember last summer where Ki-Jana Hoever (think that's how you spell his name) failed his medical and there were Blades fans blaming the club and the Prince for that.

Blaming the club/owner because a player failed his medical.

 

[redandwhitewizard]

Even if this deal gets completed we will still ship goals if we continue to use Robinson.
It also won't change the fact that this system isn't working.
I will be glad to get a new centre half though.

 

[Nedski]

But for their keeper making three v good saves and hitting the inside of the post when it could easily have gone in we could have won that match. That however would not have hidden the fact that the manager picked the wrong team ( cannon ) with one midfield player ( Peck ) capable of putting a tackle in leaving our midfield to be like Moses and the Red Sea.
I was prepared to give him time as he has been dealt a difficult hand with insufficient experienced players available to improve his team and whilst this is to date still the case his awareness, tactics and inability to change things to suit is a big worry

We've got a lot of very good attacking players who were all stifled last season by a manager that only wanted to attack for 15 minutes per game. The tactics seemed to click for 45 minutes against Bristol City, where we could've won 5-4 but we're still finding our feet in this new system.

I'm not overly worried as it stands, we couldve lost these 3 games at any point in the season we just happen to have lost them in a row!

 

[Weasel]

He would be a step in the right direction certainly. Just a few more needed now.

I see some of the ones defending the clubs transfer policy and calling those who voiced concerns 'bedwetters' and piped down a touch. Seemingly after the manager himself said it wasnt good enough and then there has been a change in the process instigated after those concerns were aired in public. That and the small matter of us being bottom of the table and out of the cup and an abysmal start. Funny that. Maybe those bedwetters had a valid point after all ?

 

[Frank the tank]

He would be a step in the right direction certainly. Just a few more needed now.

I see some of the ones defending the clubs transfer policy and calling those who voiced concerns 'bedwetters' and piped down a touch. Seemingly after the manager himself said it wasnt good enough and then there has been a change in the process instigated after those concerns were aired in public. That and the small matter of us being bottom of the table and out of the cup and an abysmal start. Funny that. Maybe those bedwetters had a valid point after all ?

Well done

 

[Weasel]

Well done

Unlike the board then?

 

[Frank the tank]

Unlike the board then?

Time will tell
This transfer window is crucial and they will be judged on that and how we do this season

 

[@thelane]

It's three games THREE !
HE HASNT BEEN BACKED
his system doesn't work without quicker athletic players in defensive positions
We were all agreed before the weekend we needed six or seven players in and only Godfrey came in to the squad so why after a narrow loss to a team that always beat us anyway is it time to.sack.him. ?

Wilders not coming back it will be someone with a similar coaching background to selles and they won't be able to do anything with out the players either

This is a transitional period and we have to ( the board ) back the guy now

Selles does not fit, he plays players out of position, the tactics are abysmal and naive. The last thing we need to do is back this clown. Get shut he’s useless as his record suggests.

 

[Montytheblade]

I've calmed down a bit since yesterday but it's clear for all too see, that the system is too open. Few points i'd note (I'm no coach)
1. Peck is not capable (yet) of playing holding midfield alone when his two midfield partners (COH and Gus) are playing a free role.
2. Cannon is not, and never will be a winger (See CW with Brewster last season).
3. One is not a winger (unless against, Chesterfield, Burton or York).
4. Godfrey was better at CB than RB. I'd play Japhet at RB and Godfrey with either bindon/Robbo.
5. Play 2 holding midfielders, Soumare has done nothing wrong and was dropped.
6. the two "attacking" midfielders are no where near close enough to a CF. Likewise, when Peck drops in, there's nobody to link the play up, through, since he's sat in-between the CB's.

 

[LSF]

Even if this deal gets completed we will still ship goals if we continue to use Robinson.
It also won't change the fact that this system isn't working.
I will be glad to get a new centre half though.

We've conceded 6 goals this season, how many were down to Robinson eh?

 

[Frank the tank]

Selles does not fit, he plays players out of position, the tactics are abysmal and naive. The last thing we need to do is back this clown. Get shut he’s useless as his record suggests.

So we get rid of him now
A week before the window shuts when we are desperately short of players ....then what. ?

 

[Pandev]

This makes me think Tanganga is done.

We wouldn’t let someone out without getting someone in.