Supporting a team with no team spirit

[Pinchy]

Man U's average attendance in Div 2 in 1974-75 was 48,389 but Newcastle's in 1947-48 (division 2) was 56,283!

 

[grafikhaus]

I think I am right in saying that we played Oldham at home in a Monday night Sky match, in the first Premiership season, in front of a crowd of 12,000.

Not quite, but nearly! On Monday 22nd February 1993 in the first season of the Premier League, we beat Oldham at home 2-0 in front of 14,628. The first game of this season - the first game in the PL and where Deano scored the first-ever PL goal against Man. U. - the crowd was 28,070, less than 2k than we got last Saturday!

 

[Tyler Durden]

In the 1999/00 season when I had my first season ticket the average was 13,700 in the 2nd tier. I recall thinking that a crowd of 16k was good and the 23k that turned out for the visit of Man City was phenomenal. That was when Fat Mike McDonald was slowly destroying any semblance of identity at the club.

I've no solid explanation as to why attendance figures have held up so well in spite of everything over the past decade. What I will say is that Sheffield United doesn't fuck its own fans over with regards to admission prices and fully engages with the local community. Loyalty cultivates loyalty.
A lesson which those porcine fucks from the outskirts would do well to learn, although I hope they never will.

 

[Fanny magnet]

In the 1999/00 season when I had my first season ticket the average was 13,700 in the 2nd tier. I recall thinking that a crowd of 16k was good and the 23k that turned out for the visit of Man City was phenomenal. That was when Fat Mike McDonald was slowly destroying any semblance of identity at the club.

I've no solid explanation as to why attendance figures have held up so well in spite of everything over the past decade. What I will say is that Sheffield United doesn't fuck its own fans over with regards to admission prices and fully engages with the local community. Loyalty cultivates loyalty.
A lesson which those porcine fucks from the outskirts would do well to learn, although I hope they never will.

McCabe can take credit for the decent crowds
His policy on sensible priced ticketing and targeting new fans has worked long term

 

[bladesmanluke]

I'm not sure Man U fall into that category . When they were last relegated their attendances we still very impressive .

I'm talking about the millions of sofa fans. Not the locals that actually go and support their team. Even Man U's weekly 75,000 is largely made up of tourists and day trippers

 

[Champagneblade]

Arsenal are the perfect example of what is wrong with Premier League club when it loses its soul.

• Their fans pay the most money to watch their team
  
• Their club barely spend any money and have over £200million or so in reserve
• The clubs owners barely speak to the fans at all
  
• Wenger lost the dressing room years ago yet the club won't let him go
• They play in a big plastic bowl

Arsenal is a business first and a football club second. The owners are happy as long as they are earning a shitload of money from it.

Those poor Arsenal fans. They've had it rough I'll tell you. Having to sink to the murky depths of Europe's second competition having been in the Premier one 20 years uninterupted. Out of the top 4 once in about 21 years, won the league twice and FA Cup multiple times.

When are we passing around the collection bowl for these poor not at all spoilt bastards?

 

[Revolution]

In the 1999/00 season when I had my first season ticket the average was 13,700 in the 2nd tier. I recall thinking that a crowd of 16k was good and the 23k that turned out for the visit of Man City was phenomenal. That was when Fat Mike McDonald was slowly destroying any semblance of identity at the club.

I've no solid explanation as to why attendance figures have held up so well in spite of everything over the past decade. What I will say is that Sheffield United doesn't fuck its own fans over with regards to admission prices and fully engages with the local community. Loyalty cultivates loyalty.
A lesson which those porcine fucks from the outskirts would do well to learn, although I hope they never will.

That was the season we got our last four figure league crowd - just under 10,000 for the visit of Crewe towards the end of the season. The Port Vale game that saw Heath resign attracted less than 9,000.

Our pricing policy is to be commended, and is certainly a factor in bigger gates. Attendances are consistent higher all over football than they were 20 years ago, of course, with odd exceptions.

 

[Bladesway]

Poor Arsenal fans. Must be hard watching a team you barely have any affinity with from your sofa competing for a champions league spot every season.

Their fans are a joke, likewise, Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool. If the going really got tough and they got relegated, most of their "fans" would all of a sudden lose interest in football or pretend they support someone else. Jokers

Arsenal fans yes, Chelsea fans yes but Liverpool and Man United in particular have a depth of fan base that is genuine. As do Man City and I would say Spurs. It's easy to take pot shots but in my experience Man U and Liverpool fans are generally the real deal.

 

[grafikhaus]

I'm talking about the millions of sofa fans. Not the locals that actually go and support their team. Even Man U's weekly 75,000 is largely made up of tourists and day trippers

Do you mean me?

 

[blade too long]

When Liverpool were winning everything in sight in the seventies their crowds at times were very indifferent. The phenomena of plastic fans hasn't arrived and week in week out the crowds varied by as much as 7000. Arsenal too often failed to fill Highbury when winning things when the capacity was around 38k they often only got 31 or 32k which was obviously not just away fans not turning up

 

[blade too long]

Arsenal have been relegated, in 1913. Their dodgy promotion in 1919 was their second promotion.

Arsenal preceded the play offs by being the first team to finish 6th and still get promòted

 

[pommpey]

I knew how it felt 2 seasons ago.

Eh? You mean Flynn, Doyle, Collins, Higdon, Hammond, McEveley, Sammon, Whoever-was-out-on-the-left-wing-who'd-brought-their-boots-and-pads meant nothing to you at all with their up-and-at-em attitude and never-say-die spirit?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Poor Arsenal fans. Must be hard watching a team you barely have any affinity with from your sofa competing for a champions league spot every season.

Their fans are a joke, likewise, Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool. If the going really got tough and they got relegated, most of their "fans" would all of a sudden lose interest in football or pretend they support someone else. Jokers

Like pigfans, then?

"Wednesday have been relegated!"

Oh I don't follow football. I like ... um ... Speedway.

pommpey

 

[Silent Blade]

Arsenal preceded the play offs by being the first team to finish 6th and still get promòted

5th not 6th

 

[Harrisblade]

I suppose if your team is the only one never to have been relegated and the trophy cabinet so over-full you need to hire a room in Buckingham Palace then your soccer taste-buds inevitably become numb.

Yes, it's a terrible feeling

 

[DifferentClass]

But they've never been promoted, let alone promoted with 100 points!

Weren't they relegated in 1912 or thereabouts? Still, it was long before 3 points for a win.

Edit: Revvers beat me to it.

 

[Bladesman]

Those poor Arsenal fans. They've had it rough I'll tell you. Having to sink to the murky depths of Europe's second competition having been in the Premier one 20 years uninterupted. Out of the top 4 once in about 21 years, won the league twice and FA Cup multiple times.

When are we passing around the collection bowl for these poor not at all spoilt bastards?

True Arsenal fans need to take a chill pill and realise it could be a shitload worse. My point was the way money has made the top Premier League clubs lose their identity.

This Liverpool fan sums up everything that is wrong these days with the Premier League:

 

[snootyfenooty]

True Arsenal fans need to take a chill pill and realise it could be a shitload worse. My point was the way money has made the top Premier League clubs lose their identity.

This Liverpool fan sums up everything that is wrong these days with the Premier League:

He sounds like a Hajduk Split supporter to me,

 

[HillmortonBlade]

True Arsenal fans need to take a chill pill and realise it could be a shitload worse. My point was the way money has made the top Premier League clubs lose their identity.

This Liverpool fan sums up everything that is wrong these days with the Premier League:

The Clubs are interested in money and not in fans like him. And let's hope not fans like us.

And when I (frequently) go to non-league football, they are genuinely welcoming to every fan, because each is a step to survival.

 

[BushBlade]

True Arsenal fans need to take a chill pill and realise it could be a shitload worse. My point was the way money has made the top Premier League clubs lose their identity.

This Liverpool fan sums up everything that is wrong these days with the Premier League:

It's not a gourmet night out, it's about supporting your team.

 

[Sean Thornton]

When Liverpool were winning everything in sight in the seventies their crowds at times were very indifferent. The phenomena of plastic fans hasn't arrived and week in week out the crowds varied by as much as 7000. Arsenal too often failed to fill Highbury when winning things when the capacity was around 38k they often only got 31 or 32k which was obviously not just away fans not turning up

You've done this before and like you were wrong then so you are now. Save for Highbury reconstruction work was being done they were achieving around 37/38k fans, virtual capacity, and not "often" 31/32k figures you quote yet again.

If capacity was just over 38k and yearly average attendance was 37k+, simple arithmetic shows your figures to be wrong.

Might have had one season around 31k average.

 

[blade too long]

You've done this before and like you were wrong then so you are now. Save for Highbury reconstruction work was being done they were achieving around 37/38k fans, virtual capacity, and not "often" 31/32k figures you quote yet again.

If capacity was just over 38k and yearly average attendance was 37k+, simple arithmetic shows your figures to be wrong.

Might have had one season around 31k average.

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/arse.htm

so arsenal were rebuilding non stop between 1973 and 1989

16 seasons

6 seasons under 30 k


whos wrong did you say

 

[Sean Thornton]

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/arse.htm

so arsenal were rebuilding non stop between 1973 and 1989

16 seasons

6 seasons under 30 k


whos wrong did you say

You specifically stated "when they were winning things".

If you can't remember what you posted an hour or so ago it's probably time for an early night.

You. As you invariably are.

 

[blade too long]

You specifically stated "when they were winning things".

If you can't remember what you posted an hour or so ago it's probably time for an early night.

You. As you invariably are.

League Division One Champion 1970-71
FA Cup Runner-up 1971-72
League Division One Runner-up 1972-73
FA Cup Runner-up 1977-78
FA Cup Winner 1978-79
FA Cup Runner-up 1979-80
Football League Cup Winner 1986-87
Football League Cup Runner-up 1987-88
League Division One Champion 1988-89


yeah shit period

 

[Sean Thornton]

League Division One Champion 1970-71
FA Cup Runner-up 1971-72
League Division One Runner-up 1972-73
FA Cup Runner-up 1977-78
FA Cup Winner 1978-79
FA Cup Runner-up 1979-80
Football League Cup Winner 1986-87
Football League Cup Runner-up 1987-88
League Division One Champion 1988-89


yeah shit period

"Winning"

In the 18 years between the 70/71 double and the league in 1988/89 they won one Fa and one Fl Cup.

There was a ground redevelopment as well. Plus check out Man. Uniteds gates over that period. During some of that time, gates fell across the board.

 

[Silent Blade]

League Division One Champion 1970-71
FA Cup Runner-up 1971-72
League Division One Runner-up 1972-73
FA Cup Runner-up 1977-78
FA Cup Winner 1978-79
FA Cup Runner-up 1979-80
Football League Cup Winner 1986-87
Football League Cup Runner-up 1987-88
League Division One Champion 1988-89


yeah shit period

You forgot ECWC Runners up 1979-80!

 

[blade too long]

"Winning"

In the 18 years between the 70/71 double and the league in 1988/89 they won one Fa and one Fl Cup.

There was a ground redevelopment as well. Plus check out Man. Uniteds gates over that period. During some of that time, gates fell across the board.

I dont deny there was a general malaise , you disputed the gates Id said werent full , how succesful they were is not really a factor
either they were full or they werent , I never expanded on why
to get less than 30 k less than 2 seasons after winning the title supports my claim
its a simple division of full house to not full

the major redevelopment was in 1989 90 when this was taken

 

[blade too long]

was at this game a few weeks after wed thrashed them 5-0

https://www.11v11.com/matches/arsenal-v-sheffield-united-11-september-1973-82148/


29k and theyd just been league runners up

 

[blade too long]

You forgot ECWC Runners up 1979-80!

was enough to suggest not filling the ground was the norm then
which I lived through was there for several sub 30k games in a fully develpoed 38k or thereabouts stadium

 

[Silent Blade]

was at this game a few weeks after wed thrashed them 5-0

https://www.11v11.com/matches/arsenal-v-sheffield-united-11-september-1973-82148/

One week, not a few weeks