Supporting a team with no team spirit

[1973Blade]

How miserable Arsenal fans look, supporting a team with no spirit whose stars want out. We might be a league below, but how lucky are we to support a team with such togetherness and spirit! We'd give Liverpool more of a game at the moment!

 

[Stretch]

I knew how it felt 2 seasons ago.

 

[shorehamview]

Been there, done that.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

How miserable Arsenal fans look, supporting a team with no spirit whose stars want out. We might be a league below, but how lucky are we to support a team with such togetherness and spirit! We'd give Liverpool more of a game at the moment!

I'd fancy our chances against Arsenal at the moment!!

 

[1973Blade]

Been there, done that.

But they've never been promoted, let alone promoted with 100 points!

 

[bladesmanluke]

Poor Arsenal fans. Must be hard watching a team you barely have any affinity with from your sofa competing for a champions league spot every season.

Their fans are a joke, likewise, Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool. If the going really got tough and they got relegated, most of their "fans" would all of a sudden lose interest in football or pretend they support someone else. Jokers

 

[Coily]

How miserable Arsenal fans look, supporting a team with no spirit whose stars want out. We might be a league below, but how lucky are we to support a team with such togetherness and spirit! We'd give Liverpool more of a game at the moment!

Oh aye, heart bleeds for them, they've not won a trophy for over three weeks now.

 

[SwissBlade]

How miserable Arsenal fans look, supporting a team with no spirit whose stars want out. We might be a league below, but how lucky are we to support a team with such togetherness and spirit! We'd give Liverpool more of a game at the moment!

How quickly we can forget the 8-9 years before Wilder

 

[Blend-it-like-Harris]

I suppose if your team is the only one never to have been relegated and the trophy cabinet so over-full you need to hire a room in Buckingham Palace then your soccer taste-buds inevitably become numb.

 

[coolhandluke]

Poor Arsenal fans. Must be hard watching a team you barely have any affinity with from your sofa competing for a champions league spot every season.

Their fans are a joke, likewise, Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool. If the going really got tough and they got relegated, most of their "fans" would all of a sudden lose interest in football or pretend they support someone else. Jokers

I'm not sure Man U fall into that category . When they were last relegated their attendances we still very impressive .

 

[grafikhaus]

I'm not sure Man U fall into that category . When they were last relegated their attendances we still very impressive .

They certainly were but they only had one season in Division 2 (1974-75) when they had six home attendances of over 50k and one on 30th November, 1974 at home to Sunderland, of 60,585. Source Similarly, Villa 'suffered' just two seasons in Division 3 (1970-71 and 1971-72) but had very good crowds. On 12th February 1972, Villa at home to Bournmouth drew a crowd of 48,110, a crowd - at the time - which was a record for the Third Division. This was beaten on Dec. 26 1979 by the laughably-named 'Boxing Day Massacre' at Hillsborough where 49,309 attended. But this shows where comparisons are futile. On the day of the BDM, there were no buses running, it was pay-on-the day and cost a couple of quid to get in (when our South Stand was opened in 1975, it was £3.50 for a seat - still thought of as 'posh' compared to standing.) The return match with Wendy at BDTBL on April 5th got a crowd of 42,526 (and 'thousands locked out'). So, over 90k attending two matches in the Third Division.

As ever, the pigs had to put their own fucking biased slant on the return game:

'Think you will find that was mainly down to the fact that we had at least 25000 in the ground, check out the old vid when McPhail scores for them , not a blade to be seen on the John street,he got to the kop before he found one!!' Porktalk. So crowds change, but fucking Wednesday never do...

But would Man. U or Villa fans have stuck around for 6 seasons in the third tier? Or even the mighty pigs? In their last visit to Division 3, the pigs averaged 17,821 (2010-11) but - by the following season (2011-12 - the season where Ched was wrongly imprisoned) - excitement of promotion and overtaking the Blades - saw the pigs' crowd lifted to a less-than-impressive 21,336. Source

I even remember Newcastle getting a crowd of 7,184 for a home league game around 1979.

 

[1973Blade]

Yes the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea have a fair number of plastics, but they have huge numbers of loyal fans from their local area. I remember when we went up under Bassett to the top flight, the first season Man Utd had by far the best following and that was a winter night game before their glory era in the mid 90s. Also remember when Chelsea came to the Lane last match of the season early 90s and their fans were loud all match singing 'One Man Went To Mow' all game, despite losing 4-2. Man Utd fans always excellent away following. Arsenal travel in numbers but are quiet.

 

[raul]

Some of em are a bit loud after though

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

I knew how it felt 2 seasons ago.

Been there, done that.

How quickly we can forget the 8-9 years before Wilder

Yep, yep and yep. I am disappointed. I thought this was going to be another thread about Adkins' "team" at Bury on that Tuesday night.

 

[1973Blade]

Some of em are a bit loud after though

How would he cope with six years in League One?!

 

[Woodwardfan]

Compared to us Derby lacked team spirit for the first 70 minutes of our game. Very visible from the exchanges in the first 15 minutes. They were casual and sloppy.

 

[fuerstenberger]

That's a great rant from the Arsenal fan. Makes me realise, despite our shortcomings, how lucky we are to have a local owner, manager and captain. The heart of our club is in good shape, that's why our crowds have stayed strong, even after 6 years in the David Blenkinsop Left Hand Screwdriver League.

 

[Champagneblade]

Anyone else read the title and think "not another thread about Wednesday!"

 

[Robby Blade]

Some of em are a bit loud after though

I now realise how selfish we have been these last few years. I can feel his pain. ☺

 

[Revolution]

I suppose if your team is the only one never to have been relegated and the trophy cabinet so over-full you need to hire a room in Buckingham Palace then your soccer taste-buds inevitably become numb.

Arsenal have been relegated, in 1913. Their dodgy promotion in 1919 was their second promotion.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Anyone else read the title and think "not another thread about Wednesday!"

Taken as read. No further comment necessary.

 

[davidblade]

How quickly we can forget the 8-9 years before Wilder

I think one forgets Cloughies team in his early days with our cup exploits, before he became negative Nigel

 

[Pinchy]

Yes the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea have a fair number of plastics, but they have huge numbers of loyal fans from their local area. I remember when we went up under Bassett to the top flight, the first season Man Utd had by far the best following and that was a winter night game before their glory era in the mid 90s. Also remember when Chelsea came to the Lane last match of the season early 90s and their fans were loud all match singing 'One Man Went To Mow' all game, despite losing 4-2. Man Utd fans always excellent away following. Arsenal travel in numbers but are quiet.

When we played Chelsea in the FA cup quarter final, I believe their midweek home attendance immediately prior to that game was under 10,000. Soton were the opponents, I think?

There are huge numbers of Newton Heath fans who have no connection at all with Manchester. Many have never set foot in the city, yet still stroll around shopping centres across the land wearing the latest shirt, very often blissfully unaware that their team is playing a match at that very moment.

 

[Dnblade]

They certainly were but they only had one season in Division 2 (1974-75) when they had six home attendances of over 50k and one on 30th November, 1974 at home to Sunderland, of 60,585. Source Similarly, Villa 'suffered' just two seasons in Division 3 (1970-71 and 1971-72) but had very good crowds. On 12th February 1972, Villa at home to Bournmouth drew a crowd of 48,110, a crowd - at the time - which was a record for the Third Division. This was beaten on Dec. 26 1979 by the laughably-named 'Boxing Day Massacre' at Hillsborough where 49,309 attended. But this shows where comparisons are futile. On the day of the BDM, there were no buses running, it was pay-on-the day and cost a couple of quid to get in (when our South Stand was opened in 1975, it was £3.50 for a seat - still thought of as 'posh' compared to standing.) The return match with Wendy at BDTBL on April 5th got a crowd of 42,526 (and 'thousands locked out'). So, over 90k attending two matches in the Third Division.

As ever, the pigs had to put their own fucking biased slant on the return game:

'Think you will find that was mainly down to the fact that we had at least 25000 in the ground, check out the old vid when McPhail scores for them , not a blade to be seen on the John street,he got to the kop before he found one!!' Porktalk. So crowds change, but fucking Wednesday never do...

But would Man. U or Villa fans have stuck around for 6 seasons in the third tier? Or even the mighty pigs? In their last visit to Division 3, the pigs averaged 17,821 (2010-11) but - by the following season (2011-12 - the season where Ched was wrongly imprisoned) - excitement of promotion and overtaking the Blades - saw the pigs' crowd lifted to a less-than-impressive 21,336. Source

I even remember Newcastle getting a crowd of 7,184 for a home league game around 1979.

Wasn't Wendy's next home game after Boxing Day about 14k?
Don't know where their support disappeared to in the 70's,but they all claim they were there haha.
Man City also got decent crowds the year they were down in the 3rd tier,but again,only for one season...our support stood firm for 6 years in the wilderness,i don't think many clubs would have been as loyal.

 

[Bladesman]

How miserable Arsenal fans look, supporting a team with no spirit whose stars want out. We might be a league below, but how lucky are we to support a team with such togetherness and spirit! We'd give Liverpool more of a game at the moment!

Arsenal are the perfect example of what is wrong with Premier League club when it loses its soul.

• Their fans pay the most money to watch their team
  
• Their club barely spend any money and have over £200million or so in reserve
• The clubs owners barely speak to the fans at all
  
• Wenger lost the dressing room years ago yet the club won't let him go
• They play in a big plastic bowl

Arsenal is a business first and a football club second. The owners are happy as long as they are earning a shitload of money from it.

 

[SwissBlade]

I think one forgets Cloughies team in his early days with our cup exploits, before he became negative Nigel

Yeah and Wilsons too, it's a blanket statement which covers the decline from Championship to league 1

 

[grafikhaus]

Wasn't Wendy's next home game after Boxing Day about 14k?

Can't find that one but on 23rd April 1973 we won at Old Trafford 2-1 (Bobby Charlton's last game) and the crowd was 55,035. Twenty thou. less than they get now, but that was OT's capacity back then. On the same day (Bank Holiday Monday), the pigs drew 0-0 at home to Carlisle in Division 2. The crowd was around 8.5k.

On Saturday Sept. 9 1967 we played Arsenal at home in the top flight. The crowd was 14,939.

Crowds can vary a lot. In the 2002-03 'Triple Assault' season, our home crowd didn't top 20k until Dec. 28th v Coventry and that was only 20,465. After that, we only got four more League crowds above 20k and they included pigs (28.1k), Forest (23.3k), Leicester (21.2k) and Wolves (222k). The lowest League crowd that season was on 27/08/2002 v Millwall. 13,024. After the thrilling 2-1 League Cup game v. Leeds on Tuesday Nov. 6 (0-1 at 90 minutes, four minutes extra time and we won 2-1), the crowd at home to Ipswich the following Saturday was just 15,884.

Our crowds in the last 6 seasons in Division 3 were usually bigger than in the Triple Assault season under NW.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

Some of em are a bit loud after though

Oh dear the modern day football fan, just plain embarrassing.

 

[Silent Blade]

They certainly were but they only had one season in Division 2 (1974-75) when they had six home attendances of over 50k and one on 30th November, 1974 at home to Sunderland, of 60,585. Source Similarly, Villa 'suffered' just two seasons in Division 3 (1970-71 and 1971-72) but had very good crowds. On 12th February 1972, Villa at home to Bournmouth drew a crowd of 48,110, a crowd - at the time - which was a record for the Third Division. This was beaten on Dec. 26 1979 by the laughably-named 'Boxing Day Massacre' at Hillsborough where 49,309 attended. But this shows where comparisons are futile. On the day of the BDM, there were no buses running, it was pay-on-the day and cost a couple of quid to get in (when our South Stand was opened in 1975, it was £3.50 for a seat - still thought of as 'posh' compared to standing.) The return match with Wendy at BDTBL on April 5th got a crowd of 42,526 (and 'thousands locked out'). So, over 90k attending two matches in the Third Division.

As ever, the pigs had to put their own fucking biased slant on the return game:

'Think you will find that was mainly down to the fact that we had at least 25000 in the ground, check out the old vid when McPhail scores for them , not a blade to be seen on the John street,he got to the kop before he found one!!' Porktalk. So crowds change, but fucking Wednesday never do...

But would Man. U or Villa fans have stuck around for 6 seasons in the third tier? Or even the mighty pigs? In their last visit to Division 3, the pigs averaged 17,821 (2010-11) but - by the following season (2011-12 - the season where Ched was wrongly imprisoned) - excitement of promotion and overtaking the Blades - saw the pigs' crowd lifted to a less-than-impressive 21,336. Source

I even remember Newcastle getting a crowd of 7,184 for a home league game around 1979.

Man U's average attendance in Div 2 in 1974-75 was 48,389 but Newcastle's in 1947-48 (division 2) was 56,283!

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Can't find that one but on 23rd April 1973 we won at Old Trafford 2-1 (Bobby Charlton's last game) and the crowd was 55,035. Twenty thou. less than they get now, but that was OT's capacity back then. On the same day (Bank Holiday Monday), the pigs drew 0-0 at home to Carlisle in Division 2. The crowd was around 8.5k.

On Saturday Sept. 9 1967 we played Arsenal at home in the top flight. The crowd was 14,939.

Crowds can vary a lot. In the 2002-03 'Triple Assault' season, our home crowd didn't top 20k until Dec. 28th v Coventry and that was only 20,465. After that, we only got four more League crowds above 20k and they included pigs (28.1k), Forest (23.3k), Leicester (21.2k) and Wolves (222k). The lowest League crowd that season was on 27/08/2002 v Millwall. 13,024. After the thrilling 2-1 League Cup game v. Leeds on Tuesday Nov. 6 (0-1 at 90 minutes, four minutes extra time and we won 2-1), the crowd at home to Ipswich the following Saturday was just 15,884.

Our crowds in the last 6 seasons in Division 3 were usually bigger than in the Triple Assault season under NW.

I think I am right in saying that we played Oldham at home in a Monday night Sky match, in the first Premiership season, in front of a crowd of 12,000.