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wadblade said:
Just want to ask if anyone else noticed how good our subs bench was today.
Not worried about any of them coming on.
It's a long time since i thought that.
Also again Subs used well
Well done CWAK
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Unnecessary.. Why bring Gus on & risk a yellow ?
 
Tbh, most of our squad is versatile enough to cover at least 2 positions each, which is where the depth comes from.

Players like Brooks who could play on either wing and probably do a job at CAM if absolutely necessary, Shackleton who can play in that midfield 2 and at RB.
 
Burrows who i thought was the best player in the last game , was really unlucky , not to get on , hope they can keep him happy
 
Definitely can say this with the comfort of having won, but this week has been a good use of the squad.

He’s managed to lighten the workload on Moore and give Campbell some game time as well as rotation across the squad to keep them fresh and available for Leeds.

Well done CW/AK
 
Champagneblade said:
Definitely can say this with the comfort of having won, but this week has been a good use of the squad.

He’s managed to lighten the workload on Moore and give Campbell some game time as well as rotation across the squad to keep them fresh and available for Leeds.

Well done CW/AK
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I don’t think that it was with regards to the Leeds game, which is 12 days away. Hopefully any player can be recharged in time for that
 
wadblade said:
Just want to ask if anyone else noticed how good our subs bench was today.
Not worried about any of them coming on.
It's a long time since i thought that.
Also again Subs used well
Well done CWAK
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Just yesterday? It’s been building since the first game.

It’s been a huge change this season that we have clearly seen that we needed a squad and not just a first team.

Some have talked in the last few weeks and particularly this week with 3 games in 7 days that players were “unlucky” to be withdrawn after an hour when they’re playing well.

It’s been entirely planned and thankfully we’ve not had injuries in games to force changes, but we’ve been able to make changes when we want. Huge difference, we’re preventing injuries not reacting to them

Playing Rak-Sakyi got 30 mins on weds has kept him fresh, same with Moore.

We now have almost a capable replacement for each position from the bench, we can rotate the likes of McCallum for Burrows or Gilchrist for Shackleton.
 
We did make 6 changes to starting line up, so bench would look better. That's pretty much everyone mind you, except Tom Davies?
 
Everyone's contributing though
Peck
Seriki
Brewster
McCallum
Shackleton
Brooks
They aren't just filling shirts they are playing well and hopefully capable of a spell in the team if Injury or suspension rises
Hopefully Campbell and Davies can. Add to this after the break as well as norrington Davies

All of a sudden a squad with no depth is abundant and poeple constantly crying out for loans to LG one and youth players being unreliable are silenced

What you need is good management and so far wilder has played. A blinder
 
Squads win you leagues, not best 11

Bar Cooper and Souttar, every starter is replaceable almost like for like

Keep these 2 safe, plus Vini, Hamer, Arblaster (Peck able deputy) and get a goal scorer in Jan and this squad goes up
 
COME BACK CHED said:
Burrows who i thought was the best player in the last game , was really unlucky , not to get on , hope they can keep him happy
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I’m sure he knows he’s number one. Important to make sure the backups are game ready if needed. Also about injury management too so I think they know it’s a squad game.
 
Champagneblade said:
Definitely can say this with the comfort of having won, but this week has been a good use of the squad.

He’s managed to lighten the workload on Moore and give Campbell some game time as well as rotation across the squad to keep them fresh and available for Leeds.

Well done CW/AK
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spot on he is using the squad to lighten the load and also to inject fresh legs when others are starting to flag avoiding injuries .Just what Prem teams did to us. Also giving game time to others ,can not fault it really
 

Wonder if Brewster is now in the frame to start v Leeds.
 
Dkc said:
Wonder if Brewster is now in the frame to start v Leeds.
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He’s pushing, Wilder said that Hamer was rested but also protected from a booking by being on the pitch for much less time

We now have Anel, Souza and Hamer all on 4 bookings so that will need managing as well
 
SwissBlade said:
It’s been entirely planned
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This. It’s daft how many people say they can’t believe Wilder’s dropped so and so, and why is he taking so and so off….

It’s clearly a planned approach to minimise injury and keep energy on the pitch.

We might well drop points doing it, but over a longer period the risks are much bigger in not doing so.
 
I think so far (and things could quickly change) Wilder has been so much better than Hecky was at rotation & changing players when they’re tiring. This has prevented injuries.

RND snapped his hamstring the first time because we’d simply overplayed him. We’ve now gone nearly 3 months without a muscle injury, who would have thought that this time last season?

I like how he’s used the lads returning from injury too, dropped them in for 5-10 mins and gradually improving their game time. He took Brewster off yesterday at the perfect time & gradually increased RND’s game time too. Smart management so far. If he can get Tom Davies fit then he’s a miracle worker
 
JohnDenver said:
This. It’s daft how many people say they can’t believe Wilder’s dropped so and so, and why is he taking so and so off….

It’s clearly a planned approach to minimise injury and keep energy on the pitch.

We might well drop points doing it, but over a longer period the risks are much bigger in not doing so.
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I’ve focussed on it this season as it was something that had to change and I think it was IdLiketoRogerMoore and myself discussing this after a couple of games because it seemed to me that we had a balanced squad, but games like Barnsley skewed that view a little. I’d be interested in what IdLiketoRogerMoore also thinks now.

Wilder has mentioned it in his post/ pre match pressers that so and so player was planned to have an hour so it’s definitely planned.

As for dropping points, possibly, but I think the approach is that we no longer look game to game we look in blocks of games. This 3 game block has been managed very well, it’s meant that we arrived at 60 mins yesterday with a very fresh squad.
 
Millhousesblade1889 said:
I think so far (and things could quickly change) Wilder has been so much better than Hecky was at rotation & changing players when they’re tiring. This has prevented injuries.

RND snapped his hamstring the first time because we’d simply overplayed him. We’ve now gone nearly 3 months without a muscle injury, who would have thought that this time last season?

I like how he’s used the lads returning from injury too, dropped them in for 5-10 mins and gradually improving their game time. He took Brewster off yesterday at the perfect time & gradually increased RND’s game time too. Smart management so far. If he can get Tom Davies fit then he’s a miracle worker
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There will have been a lot of focus on soft tissue injuries and recovery times from injuries.

You’re right on Hecky, he came to us with the reputation from Hibs (I think) of running players into the ground. Wilde wasn’t too different previously but he could get away with it until:
  • change to 5 subs per game. Something wilder spoke out against before it came in
  • additional time at the end of each half increasing across the game since Qatar world cup
  • shorter summer break due to Qatar and euros
  • other continental tournaments like African nations, Asian and americas affecting squads and fixtures
 
SwissBlade said:
I’ve focussed on it this season as it was something that had to change and I think it was IdLiketoRogerMoore and myself discussing this after a couple of games because it seemed to me that we had a balanced squad, but games like Barnsley skewed that view a little. I’d be interested in what IdLiketoRogerMoore also thinks now.

Wilder has mentioned it in his post/ pre match pressers that so and so player was planned to have an hour so it’s definitely planned.

As for dropping points, possibly, but I think the approach is that we no longer look game to game we look in blocks of games. This 3 game block has been managed very well, it’s meant that we arrived at 60 mins yesterday with a very fresh squad.
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It's the modern way. We first saw it at Tottenham last year when they brought on c£100m of talent after an hour. Man City have mastered the art of strategic rotation and why they're untouchable. 5 subs considerably favours the stronger sides, big from a finishing games perspective but also avoiding injuries. We're lucky that we can carry players like RND, McCallum, Shackleton, Brewster, Brooks and Campbell on the bench. They'd walk into the starting XI of 90% of Championship sides.

I'd actually be interested to know if there's a correlation at how many goals are scored late Vrs substitutions? Others seem to be shipping late goals, but we seem to be avoiding this...
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
It's the modern way. We first saw it at Tottenham last year when they brought on c£100m of talent after an hour. Man City have mastered the art of strategic rotation and why they're untouchable. 5 subs considerably favours the stronger sides, big from a finishing games perspective but also avoiding injuries. We're lucky that we can carry players like RND, McCallum, Shackleton, Brewster, Brooks and Campbell on the bench. They'd walk into the starting XI of 90% of Championship sides.

I'd actually be interested to know if there's a correlation at how many goals are scored late Vrs substitutions? Others seem to be shipping late goals, but we seem to be avoiding this...
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We shipped two late on v QPR but they seem a very eratic side at the moment at both ends, i think we probably need to see it later in the season, but i also get the feeling that our starting line up, which ever we go with is peaking currently in terms of fitness for 60 mins, we're not fading in games because players aren't allowed to stay on long enough to fade out. When that happens it generally means that 1-2 players around him will have to pick up the slack.

The distinct difference to last season, as i mentioned earlier is that we're practively changing players now, its a tweak that Wilder has done now that players on the bench are up to speed, fitness wise. Early games it was 70 mins before changes, now its 55-65ish with generally 3 being made on the hour or as close to it as we can. Yesterday was slightly later as theres no game for a couple of weeks

Last season even under Wilder those changes were made later, usually after conceding again because we didn't have the strength to come in off the bench.

To bring in Brooks and Hamer (66 mins) then RND, Shackleton, Campbell (71-75), later on shows the depth we have. If we had a game midweek we'd have no doubt made some changes slightly earlier
 
SwissBlade said:
We shipped two late on v QPR but they seem a very eratic side at the moment at both ends, i think we probably need to see it later in the season, but i also get the feeling that our starting line up, which ever we go with is peaking currently in terms of fitness for 60 mins, we're not fading in games because players aren't allowed to stay on long enough to fade out. When that happens it generally means that 1-2 players around him will have to pick up the slack.

The distinct difference to last season, as i mentioned earlier is that we're practively changing players now, its a tweak that Wilder has done now that players on the bench are up to speed, fitness wise. Early games it was 70 mins before changes, now its 55-65ish with generally 3 being made on the hour or as close to it as we can. Yesterday was slightly later as theres no game for a couple of weeks

Last season even under Wilder those changes were made later, usually after conceding again because we didn't have the strength to come in off the bench.

To bring in Brooks and Hamer (66 mins) then RND, Shackleton, Campbell (71-75), later on shows the depth we have. If we had a game midweek we'd have no doubt made some changes slightly earlier
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We only conceded lte on v qpr because of keystone cops defending from jlt and Davies goalkeeping

Our good form won't carry on if one of those comes back in the side

Even if they don't make mistakes they. Are so anxious in possession we will be under a lot more pressure
 
Millhousesblade1889 said:
I think so far (and things could quickly change) Wilder has been so much better than Hecky was at rotation & changing players when they’re tiring. This has prevented injuries.

RND snapped his hamstring the first time because we’d simply overplayed him. We’ve now gone nearly 3 months without a muscle injury, who would have thought that this time last season?

I like how he’s used the lads returning from injury too, dropped them in for 5-10 mins and gradually improving their game time. He took Brewster off yesterday at the perfect time & gradually increased RND’s game time too. Smart management so far. If he can get Tom Davies fit then he’s a miracle worker
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Wilder alluded to the poor conditioning of the players when he first returned. He also said during last season there wasn't too much he could do about it mid season last year. It needed a proper pre-season with the players.

That said most of that squad are gone. 😄
 
Bladesman said:
Wilder alluded to the poor conditioning of the players when he first returned. He also said during last season there wasn't too much he could do about it mid season last year. It needed a proper pre-season with the players.

That said most of that squad are gone. 😄
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I think the problem he (and hecky) had last year was that we had a first 11, barely and that was it. So we couldn't do much from the bench even if we wanted to.

By having to get rid of/ lose so many we also had the opportunity to build a balanced side as well as getting a few academy lads to step up.
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
I'd actually be interested to know if there's a correlation at how many goals are scored late Vrs substitutions? Others seem to be shipping late goals, but we seem to be avoiding this...
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We seem to be scoring early in a lot of these games as well, within the first 15 minutes which can mess up the structure/game plan of a lot of these teams.
All the games where we've scored in the first 15 minutes.
  • Preston away - Arblaster 1-0
  • QPR home - Hamer 1-0, Moore 2-0
  • Watford home - Bachmann O.G 1-0
  • Hull away - Hamer 1-0
  • Luton home - JRS 1-0

Even last season when we were conceding early goals you could see how it was negatively affecting players as they seemed to lose confidence and go on to concede more.
 
Looked very good but we have only got Tom Davies I think out injured at the moment. Squad was looking very thin before the start of the season but with Arblaster, Peck and brooks looking more than capable princey just might strike lucky again with Wilder.
 
CopenhagenBlade said:
I don’t think that it was with regards to the Leeds game, which is 12 days away. Hopefully any player can be recharged in time for that
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The Leeds comment was more the availability I.e. he managed to keep Hamer’s minutes down to stop him getting booked.
 
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