Match Thread Stoke City v. Sheffield United - 8th October 2022

[LJBlade]

All this has stemmed from me saying I’m unsure he comes good? Which is an opinion, he’s been poor & has had opportunities in his best position. All that is factual too

No, all this has stemmed from me saying a run of games would possibly help him to come good, which for some strange reason you couldn’t understand. The rest of the conversation was you trying to argue something different to what I actually said.

How many opportunities has he had in his best position? As far as I’m aware he hasn’t yet been given a full 90 minutes.

 

[10-0 win]

....and despite all, we're top of the league................

 

[LewishamBlade]

Let’s look at WHY we’re getting the injuries, rather than bemoaning bad luck

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

No, all this has stemmed from me saying a run of games would possibly help him to come good, which for some strange reason you couldn’t understand. The rest of the conversation was you trying to argue something different to what I actually said.

How many opportunities has he had in his best position? As far as I’m aware he hasn’t yet been given a full 90 minutes.

And he’s had opportunities in those best positions. Where do you want to see him play?

He’s come on multiple times as CAM if that’s the position you think and started vs Blackburn there, you’d be generous to say he played well in that game.

Every sub appearance he’s been average to poor, he was awful today playing LW & CAM his two best positions.

I don’t see it working for him, he’s nowhere near N’Diaye, Berge who play those positions and I’ve seen more from promise from McAtee. Blackburn fans said he’s was largely average but had a few really good games & he consistently played for them.

He’s not a bad player, maybe our style doesn’t suit him. It’s ok saying give him time, but does he warrant starting the next game after that today? No, so he’ll be back to the bench next game should players return

 

[Champagneblade]

The WC could be a godsend for us.

Still think there needs to be improvement behind closed doors though.

Anything like a full squad and we go up for me.

Failing this season due to an injury crisis would be more than bad luck.

Anything like a full squad and we'd totally fuck this league and come back for seconds.

Either the Football Gods can go Fuck themselves or we seriously have to tone down our preparation work and look at the medical side of things. Almost every game we have a challenge which leads to an injury. What are they made of paper? Are they stretched to the limit so the slightest thing will put them out for weeks?

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Jags can get fucked too. Unbelievable

 

[Guesty]

Jebbo looks bang average.

Canadian Joe Ironside.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Still top of table even though we lost today thanks to PNE

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7 points dropped but an opportunity to put it behind us with a week off

 

[Davalon]

You don’t have the amount of injuries he’s had regularly at different clubs without that being a consistent issue that will continue

Got tbh I didn't read much into that when people started mentioning it, but I'm pretty sure there's something happening with our training, conditioning, recovery etc that could be improved.

 

[Davalon]

You do know you're not allowed an opinion that dares to suggest it isn't bad luck or the football Gods don't you? You're told you know nothing. Incredible ignorance and arrogance by many on here.

Some just like an argument and to flaunt their Bladey credentials.

 

[LJBlade]

And he’s had opportunities in those best positions. Where do you want to see him play?

He’s come on multiple times as CAM if that’s the position you think and started vs Blackburn there, you’d be generous to say he played well in that game.

Every sub appearance he’s been average to poor, he was awful today playing LW & CAM his two best positions.

I don’t see it working for him, he’s nowhere near N’Diaye, Berge who play those positions and I’ve seen more from promise from McAtee. Blackburn fans said he’s was largely average but had a few really good games & he consistently played for them.

He’s not a bad player, maybe our style doesn’t suit him. It’s ok saying give him time, but does he warrant starting the next game after that today? No, so he’ll be back to the bench next game should players return

He hasn’t been given opportunities has he though. How many back to back games has he started in his preferred position? You can name them if you like to make it easier.

Coming on for 10 minutes here and there doesn’t constitute a run of games.

 

[Lawrence]

Terrible today! Hecky said last week that we played great v QPR, wonder what he will say after this debacl! he will probably blame it on injuries! Just proves the squad is not good enough, the young boy Jebberson will never be a footballer? not ready should be out on loan! Khadra is a squad player at most and he starts him top of the league? It was never real, not good enough, no depth in this squad

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

He hasn’t been given opportunities has he though. How many back to back games has he started in his preferred position? You can name them if you like to make it easier.

That’s not the point though, if you don’t play well then you don’t keep your position when there’s better players available to come in? If Berge & N’Diaye are fit for the next game does he play?

 

[haich1889]

Just me or does Doyle get repeatedly dropped/replaced when IMHO he's vetter than Norwood??

 

[Keen Blade]

7 points dropped but an opportunity to put it behind us with a week off

8 points dropped

 

[Nagima]

Let’s look at WHY we’re getting the injuries, rather than bemoaning bad luck

Exactly. We know the training ground surface has been called out. With the injuries mounting up over the last few years, you would question whether the players are being over trained or under trained. It's a long season with lots of games the fitness program needs to be tailored accordingly.

 

[robbiez666]

I see the muppets are in meltdown. Especially those who have been demanding a back four and then will just jump down the manager's throat when he has to play it

We had 5 U-21 internationals and 2 U-18 internationals on the pitch this afternoon. Little height, little strength, square pegs etc.

Why do so many think you can just walk out of this league? This is a bloody hard league. How many plastics did we pick up under Wilder?!!

WE ARE STILL TOP OF THE LEAGUE

Anyway

First 20 minutes was a car crash really. Came back into it. They were the better team but could easily be 3-3 at half time. Second half was a bit of a non-event really. scrappy game. Poor quality. Very little in terms of moves or direction from either team. Deserved to lose but not by that much. Glad we now have a week off to regroup.

Wes - 6 - No chance with the goals. Came out quickly well near the end.
RND - 5.5 - He was at fault for their first. Lost his man. Did pretty well generally but more and more he keeps doing these petty undisciplined stupidities. Good easily have been sent off today for no reason whatsoever. Need to stop being a dick.
Egan - 3 - Terrible first half. He didn't even challenge Jags for their second. Did a couple of good things second half but also all over the shop at times. Saw his galloping forward and 2:1 and wondered what on Earth he was doing.
Basham - 6 - Good first half. Covered when Egan completely stuffed up and possibly our best player first half. Mate a couple of mistakes in the second but our best defender
Gordon - 5 - He struggled with their best player in an alien position for him. Thought he was poor at trying to block out crosses and looked bad on the ball. Defensively mixed.
Doyle - 5.5 - Great shot first half and some good set pieces but struggled defensively a bit. Seemed to be running on sand at times.
Norwood - 6 - Did nothing much going forward and poor set pieces. He did get stuck in defensively getting a number of challenges in and winning balls he had no right to win. Great clearance off the line.
McAtee - 6 - Best we've seen from him. Set up the goal (although I think it was out of play) and looked the most likely to create something. Poor defensively though and while he puts the effort in is so weak.
Khadra - 3 - Put a shift in but when we needed the forward to hold the ball up and stop it coming back at us he repeatedly lost the ball, either from doing silly flicks or trying to beat a man when no chance. Needs to be much smarter. Not on his toes today either. Waiting for the ball to come to him and losing it. Better second half but needs to be a lot better to justify starting.
Ndiaye - 4 - He's disappeared the last 3 games. The game is largely passing him by. Unlucky with a shot that hit the post but otherwise needs to be much more influential on the game. We needed him to step up today and he didn't.
Brewster - 4 - Good finish for the goal and can't fault his workrate but poor at holding the ball up first half, when needed and rarely in the right place at the right time.

Subs

Sharp - 4 - He looks gone in all honesty. Works, complains, still wins some free kicks, but the sharpness seems to have gone.
Arblaster - 5 - Did some good stuff, did some bad stuff. Didn't look out of place out there.
Osborn - 5 - Thought we looked better with him on and reverting to a back 5. Looked to put balls in to the box, which were mixed.
Jebbo - 4 - When it looks like he's getting in a good position he just gets pushed away. Needs to bulk up and a better first touch.
Sachdev - 4.5 - Mixed really. Did a few nice things but also needed to be stronger a couple of times. Very difficult to step up in this situation.

Hecky - 5 - Not sure how to mark him here. Massive issues with injuries. Went to a back 4 which really didn't work. We seemed to wrestle back some control as the first half went on but came out and probably second best again. Subs and changing the shape looked to make us a bit better but we never really created anything in the second half.

Stoke - They've got some good players and they had good spells first half. They also looked a bit iffy at the back. They're clearly a team which could easily be in and around the playoffs. Despite the diving, Fosu-Henry looks a player.

 

[Steelcitysenior]

Exactly. We know the training ground surface has been called out. With the injuries mounting up over the last few years, you would question whether the players are being over trained or under trained. It's a long season with lots of games the fitness program needs to be tailored accordingly.

You would think if it was the training ground surface that's causing the injuries then it would be a case of digging the feckin thing up and laying a suitable surface. Surely it can't be as easy that. We have so many injuries it's unreal.

 

[St Albans Blade]

No humble pie tonight.

The fact we’re still top states that simple consistency will get a team automatically promoted this season with a much-of-a-muchness assortment of sides in the division.

Beat a bottom 12 side home and away is 72 points. Draw with the top 12 sides home and away puts a club on 94 at the end of the season.

So in the last three games we’ve dropped 7 points off automatic promotion pace, which is concerning.

If we can’t halt this, we could be mediocre mid-table pre-mid-season break!

UTB

 

[Chingo]

Let’s look at WHY we’re getting the injuries, rather than bemoaning bad luck

Why is it then?

 

[Chingo]

Exactly. We know the training ground surface has been called out. With the injuries mounting up over the last few years, you would question whether the players are being over trained or under trained. It's a long season with lots of games the fitness program needs to be tailored accordingly.

The training ground has not been wet since last winter , the injuries are happening in games it’s just bad luck imo.

 

[FinBlade]

We lost, bummer!
It was kinda entertaining game tho even lack of quality, maybe partly because of that.

Can anyone point out why we have so many injuries? Can it be something training (or such) related or purely bad luck?

 

[Nagima]

You would think if it was the training ground surface that's causing the injuries then it would be a case of digging the feckin thing up and laying a suitable surface. Surely it can't be as easy that. We have so many injuries it's unreal.

Wilder, Slav and Hecky have all refered to it. And I agree that the surface should be replaced but has it been done?
I lean towards the opinion that they are being over trained and not getting sufficient recovery. There has to be an underlying issue at the club and as you say the injury list is unreal.

 

[Mendi]

That was awful.

 

[Nagima]

The training ground has not been wet since last winter , the injuries are happening in games it’s just bad luck imo.

In my view there is more than bad luck involved. This is at least 2 seasons in a row where we have a huge injury list..

 

[Chingo]

In my view there is more than bad luck involved. This is at least 2 seasons in a row where we have a huge injury list..

What is it then?

 

[vas borbokis]

Lots of talk about the training ground..
I read elsewhere on here that it's been completely re-laid as 2 Desso pitches, with drainage and underground heating. Not yet available. Due to be ready soon.
So presumably we are training in some makeshift pitches where facilities like ice baths and hot showers and hot baths may not be available? Guessing here but not getting a hot bath or shower or instant treatment after training hard will not be helping re muscle injuries..

 

[LJBlade]

That’s not the point though, if you don’t play well then you don’t keep your position when there’s better players available to come in? If Berge & N’Diaye are fit for the next game does he play?

It is exactly the point that I was making.

 

[Nagima]

What is it then?

I suspect its got to do with the amount of training they are doing.
Just in defence we have 8 players out.
And overall we have Bash Billy McBurnie Brewster Osborn only recently returned.

 

[Chingo]

I suspect its got to do with the amount of training they are doing.
Just in defence we have 8 players out.
And overall we have Bash Billy McBurnie Brewster Osborn only recently returned.

Could be … but we don’t know if its that do we?
I think it’s attempting tackle blocks etc and picking up strains and pulled in the process