South Stand

[metalblade]

Check out the gates in the 70/71 promotion season and we had 40k plus gates towards the end.

And the season after we averaged over 30,000 something the pigs haven't managed to do since 1966 despite on the odd occasion filling the sty which has a higher capacity. Far too many people some of them Blades buy in to this S6 massive tag it is a urban myth.

 

[Jon Bon II]

Looks like parking to get tickets in future will be a ball ache?

Why's that? The car park as we know it will be smaller but there will be a vast underground city constructed with parking for thousands and enough facilities to survive a nuclear winter. Alright, some of the last sentence is pure fantasy but...

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Quite ironic really

Here we are with granted planning permission, with someone saying gerrit built, all at the same time we that we don't appear to have a pot to piss in for our Managers transfer budget, wrapped up in a threat for him to walk out

And needing a No 9.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Why's that? The car park as we know it will be smaller but there will be a vast underground city constructed with parking for thousands and enough facilities to survive a nuclear winter. Alright, some of the last sentence is pure fantasy but...

Because entrances to the complex to have 'secure gates/barriers', we'll not get to the underground carpark.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Which were the 6 games we could've shifted 40k tickets? Liverpool 31,726. Man Utd 32,584. Wigan 32,604. Chelsea 32,321. Man City 32,591. Arsenal 32,086. Spurs 32,144. I suspect Man Utd out of that list was our only sell out game that season. ?

Nic,

With respect you’re wrong, that season the attendance was based on attendees, not tickets sold.
The Liverpool. Man Utd and Wigan games were all official sell outs.
The others mentioned above just had restricted views left.

During the PL season the rule was home teams MUST give away teams a minimum of 3,000 tickets or 10% of the capacity if the capacity is under 30K. We gave away clubs 2,990 tickets and the PL allowed it due to segregation issues.

The 1st home game we gave Liverpool 4,500 tickets and it was a total sell out with Blades unable to get tickets. About 900 seats were netted off in the upper tier for segregation. That game was an official sell out and the club blundered by under estimating the Blades support, so for the rest of the season we limited away clubs (even Man Utd) to a near 2,990 tickets.

Also remember at BL there must be about 500 restricted view tickets.
Anything over 32,000 that season was a practically a sell out.

There’s a new factor to consider regards stadium capacities and that the fact that PL matches seem to attract 1000’s of neutrals/ tourists. Put it this way if we played Man Utd, Liverpool etc I suspect there would be a 45K demand for tickets.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Nic,

With respect you’re wrong, that season the attendance was based on attendees, not tickets sold.
The Liverpool. Man Utd and Wigan games were all official sell outs.
The others mentioned above just had restricted views left.

During the PL season the rule was home teams MUST give away teams a minimum of 3,000 tickets or 10% of the capacity if the capacity is under 30K. We gave away clubs 2,990 tickets and the PL allowed it due to segregation issues.

The 1st home game we gave Liverpool 4,500 tickets and it was a total sell out with Blades unable to get tickets. About 900 seats were netted off in the upper tier for segregation. That game was an official sell out and the club blundered by under estimating the Blades support, so for the rest of the season we limited away clubs (even Man Utd) to a near 2,990 tickets.

Also remember at BL there must be about 500 restricted view tickets.
Anything over 32,000 that season was a practically a sell out.

I’ll happily stand corrected, SS

I had a season ticket on the Kop that year, so wasn’t aware of general sale home ticketing issues.

My memory is only sketchy at best, but I can recall netting. Possibly only Liverpool.

 

[Danny_Blade]

Good luck to whichever lad will be forking out for it!

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

And did you?

I’m pulling your leg & trying to be a smart arse.

 

[snootyfenooty]

The upshot to all of this is we're arguing about whether or not we need a new stand to improve on what we've got when the pigs would need to build a new fucking ground. The way we've turned things around on them ground-wise in the last 20 years is something we can be proud of, and something I never dreamed of when I was a kid.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I’ll happily stand corrected, SS

I had a season ticket on the Kop that year, so wasn’t aware of general sale home ticketing issues.

My memory is only sketchy at best, but I can recall netting. Possibly only Liverpool.

To be fair part of me generally agrees with most of your viewpoint.
However football and especially the PL has never been as popular and it’s showing no sign of slowing down.
We’ve averaged virtually 27,000 in the 2nd tier, which a few years would have been hard to believe.
Also bare in mind that in that 27K we’ve hardly had any away fans.
The 1st Sheffield club to get in the PL will easily have over 40K demand for the bigger games,

Anyone noticed that if we expand our ground as per the plans
It will have a uncanny resemblance to Anfield (just a bit smaller).

 

[FriethBlade]

This is fantastic news...Let's increase the capacity of the ground whilst giving Wilder 50k to spend on a centre forward to fire us to the premiership...If indeed Wilder is still here to spend his massive transfer kitty

 

[Sean Thornton]

This is fantastic news...Let's increase the capacity of the ground whilst giving Wilder 50k to spend on a centre forward to fire us to the premiership...If indeed Wilder is still here to spend his massive transfer kitty

Totally agree. Although it's simply added value in the event of a takeover, let's dream of 45k crowds in a division we're not in so we can compete with the Pigs on boasting how many fans we can muster against the really big clubs.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I hope we build this in a hurry purely so Dave Carrick gets driven out.

Absolutely. It’ll be marvellous to have these improvements to the ground, including the better facilities, built.

 

[Jon Bon II]

Because entrances to the complex to have 'secure gates/barriers', we'll not get to the underground carpark.

I know a way in through the heating ducts. We'll be alright.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I’ll need to check. We averaged 25k that season I think. I was meaning more in recent times (since 1990), but I’ll include the 70’s.

Pigs, Hull Cardiff Watford and I think Leicester on Boxing Day were way above 25k increasing the average considerably.

 

[Harry's Game]

Close season threads are the Dogs watsits aren’t they?

 

[grafikhaus]

While 'NIMBY' is often used as an insulting phrase, you've got to look at the bigger picture and the wishes of the majority. We're not talking building thousands of new houses on Green Belt land here - we're talking of improving a football ground that has been used for sport (cricket) since 1855 and football since 1862. Its 11-acre site must have been noticed by anybody moving into an adjacent property in much the same way that somebody who moved into a house next to a pub has no right to then complain about noise, traffic etc.

But we've been here before. Reg Brealey's Bramall Centre was derailed not by the nine people who complained but as a convenient excuse by SCC to refuse planning permission. Years ago, the two pubs (Railway and Cricketers) were closed down and CPOs issued to the other 'businesses' along Bramall Lane as the plan was to widen BL to a 2-lane each way dual carriageway but this plan was dropped. No such objections in the 60s when Penistone Road was similarly widened, flagpoles down the centre etc. But that was because three World Cup games were played there... Wonder why Hillsborough got another FA Cup semi-final just three years after 96 fans died there? Wonder why 'Supertram' had a dedicated line built to serve the Hillsborough/Middlewood areas but has never been near to Bramall Lane?

Personally, I wouldn't want to live anywhere near a pub or school because of the noise etc. and - if I did - it's a bit late to moan about it as if I wasn't aware they existed when I first moved in. Carrick's a trouble-causing cunt, probably a pig and possibly after some compo.

Gerrit built.

 

[axel smeets]

Perhaps i've got my maths wrong, but during the premiership season, BL lower was over 3k away fans? If so, we never sold more that 28kish (due to safety netting) tickets to home fans. So as I said, if we are extending SS and not making both tiers of BL away fans, we aren't going to have the demand.

I'm curious, when have SUFC ever sold 38k tickets to a match? Any match, any venue, when? Never. We sell about 32k with every man, women & dog roped in. Wednesday did about 38k when they played Hull in the play offs. Like it or not they can get more through the turnstiles than us. As an indicative figure, Aston Villa this season, bigger city, a bigger club, better ground, far better hospitality, recent history of bigger gates and more successful, have averaged 31k.

The proposed work to the south stand would have minimal impact on the matchday experience, they'd construct in the same was as Liverpool have constructed their new tier. It would lead to a reduction in car parking spaces, but not seating.

Invest all available monies in the playing squad, get the team promoted, put up prices to reflect higher league, get the club established, benefit from the TV money & extend the ground. It's got fuck all to do with 'little old Sheff Utd mentality' and more to do with common sense.

We sold 39k v Burnley at Wembley, 2nd Tier Play Off Final, 26th May 2009.

 

[Boxer Blade]

I reckon the location of the lane has helped see an increase with students and floating fans, the approach to the lane from the city is modern and quite impressive and the new developments around the ground are also helpful , a ground with more modern facilities and appeal, hopefully with a successful team will, I think see our crowds increase, I agree that if Wednesday have any form of success they will get support but for me we have to grab the initiative because wednesday's ground and being in the suburbs will not help them going forward

 

[finlaytheblade]

Totally agree. Although it's simply added value in the event of a takeover, let's dream of 45k crowds in a division we're not in so we can compete with the Pigs on boasting how many fans we can muster against the really big clubs.

McCabe has already stated !! The changes to the capacity will only happen if we retain our status in the premiership after getting there.
Nothing wrong with growing the club as other clubs have done.It could become a white elephant but I like the ambition .
McCabe takes a lot of critism and rightly so but he has always shown ambition and I commend him for that.
We have periodically been in good positions but always come unstuck ,McCabe ambition has always been there,
pitty some of our previous chairman were not of the same mind.
During my time as a blade and I made my baptism around 1950, we have had opportunity to really kick on but wasted it through lack of ambition don't beleave
McCabe is short of that

 

[tyke1889]

Love the Lane as it is, don’t want it tartifying too much. Went to New York Stadium last week out of football desperation, first impression is that it’s a great stadium, facilities ok, smiley female stewards, fans zone with music outside. However it doesn’t feel like a football ground, built to specification and seems to lack the authenticity of a proper football atmosphere, complete with twatish mascot called Miller Bear ( sic). Too sterile

Agreed, I was there too, but didn't you want to be up with the Blackpool fans havin a party though?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

We sold 39k v Burnley at Wembley, 2nd Tier Play Off Final, 26th May 2009.

I'll take your word for it, AS. I thought we had an allocation of less than that and didn't sell out as we had more of the £100 tickets.

Anyway despite the gradual erosion of the factual basis of my argument, I still think the general gist of it rings true.

 

[South Bucks]

Can't help thinking this redevelopment is a mistake.

I remember how when we built the south stand it crippled us financially and the team suffered for years, no money left, players sold, would be the same again.

We'd hardy ever fill it and potentially cheaper options like sorting out the corners at the kop end might give better value for money.

No point whilever SYP can close off as many seats as the feel like while other big clubs get away with hardly any closed off.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Can't help thinking this redevelopment is a mistake.

I remember how when we built the south stand it crippled us financially and the team suffered for years, no money left, players sold, would be the same again.

We'd hardy ever fill it and potentially cheaper options like sorting out the corners at the kop end might give better value for money.

No point whilever SYP can close off as many seats as the feel like while other big clubs get away with hardly any closed off.

It's all "added value" for a future owner. I wouldn't worry.

 

[nopigfansintown]

A sell out at Bramall Lane is currently 31,120.This is with special dispensation and higher costs due to the the strenuous demands of SYP and the SAG.Sunderland was only 30,668 - I think it was announced as a sell out.
Currently the biggest away allocation allowed at Bramall Lane is 2,367 (Derby).Again, with special dispensation given to sell a further one hundred and fifty tickets.Pigs and Sunderland were only allowed 2,219 for higher demand games; Leeds 2,236, Villa 2,319.

Our average home attendance in our Championship promotion season(05/6) was
‎23,650. This was a time when most teams could have the full capacity of the Bramall Lane end if they so wished
Our average attendance this season(17/18) is 26.854.This despite restricting away fans to a heavily segregated Bramall Lane lower tier.

The current ground capacity would be a significant drop on our last season in the prem: essentially we'd have less saleable seats than the last time we were there, with good reason to believe that our support has increased since then.If our average attendance went up at a similar rate to our last premier league promotion season i.e. from a 23,650 average in (05/06) to 30,684 (06/7) average. We'd go from our current 26.854 to...We'd probably be locking fans out

The last time we were in the Premier League we had eight league fixtures with thirty two thousand.plus in the ground. FiFteen of our fixtures had above thirty thousand. Five fixtures failed to breach the thirty thousand mark.
I would argue that the restrictions on volume of away tickets being sold, and current average attendances indicate that we'd need a bigger ground if we were ever in the premier league again.

 

[CarlingBlade]

South Stand will only be upgraded after a sustained period of time in the PL (2yrs i understand).

 

[Worksop II]

(2yrs i understand)

Unchartered territory for Kev ......

"I am going to build a new huge stand (with plush Boardroom & Bar) if I manage to do sumat, I aint done in 20 years"

 

[CarlingBlade]

Unchartered territory for Kev ......

"I am going to build a new huge stand (with plush Boardroom & Bar) if I manage to do sumat, I aint done in 20 years"

It'll never happened, we've not had consecutive years in the PL since 1992/93 & 93/94.

 

[Jon Bon II]

South Stand will only be upgraded after a sustained period of time in the PL (2yrs i understand).

For a man who has made his fortune from property developing, McCabe’s current farting around with getting planning permissions and not implementing them smacks of something not right. He’d certainly not be as wealthy as he is if he ran his day to day business like that. I can only assume that he’s trying to add value to the ground without actually spending anything. I say that but he/SUFC have shelled out over 140k in application fees for the flats and stands applications plus the not inconsiderable agent/architect fees, so it beggars belief that he would go to all the trouble of getting planning permission when it’s not needed.

Is he going to keep extending the permissions every three years until we get established in the prem? It could take another 10 years, more... maybe never?!?.

 

[super_pig]

Somebody moved into our village, right opposite the church, as the church bells were undergoing repair and therefore silent.

Shortly after they started again, we had a hand delivered letter, addressed to "The Occupier" and starting off Dear Neighbour, asking us to support them in their bid to get the church bells silenced permanently as they were disturbing his sleep.

He got no support from us or anybody else, on the basis that those bells had been chiming in their very unusual octagonal tower since Norman times.

ha ha.. we we've had the nimbys in our village complaining about them as well.. they also complained about the cement works not realising half the fucking village work there ..
you get used to the bells. i quite like them it means i don't have to move to check the time when i'm half asleep in bed.