South China Morning Post - Chris Wilder article

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Brilliant Sheffield sense of humour.

'Phoned up Radio Sheffield and said what a great game Chris Wilder had'

Wonder if he rings up now and says 'what a great manager Chris Wilder is'.
 
guancheblade said:
"Thrill me agan"

"England's sixth biggest city"

Someone get this journo a fact checker!
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Officially, Sheffield is England's 4th biggest city, bigger than Manchester.

We all know that Sheffield isn't bigger than Manc. When you look at the total urban areas, 6th biggest city is more accurate than 4th - after London, Brum, Leeds, Manc and Liverpool. There's probably also an argument for Newcaste being bigger than Sheffield (inc. Rotherham) if you count Sunderland.
 
Dkc said:
Officially, Sheffield is England's 4th biggest city, bigger than Manchester.

We all know that Sheffield isn't bigger than Manc. When you look at the total urban areas, 6th biggest city is more accurate than 4th - after London, Brum, Leeds, Manc and Liverpool. There's probably also an argument for Newcaste being bigger than Sheffield (inc. Rotherham) if you count Sunderland.
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I'll run that last point past my Newcastle-supporting son-in-law. They'd rather be dead in a ditch than included with Sunderland...
 
Dkc said:
Officially, Sheffield is England's 4th biggest city, bigger than Manchester.

We all know that Sheffield isn't bigger than Manc. When you look at the total urban areas, 6th biggest city is more accurate than 4th - after London, Brum, Leeds, Manc and Liverpool. There's probably also an argument for Newcaste being bigger than Sheffield (inc. Rotherham) if you count Sunderland.
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Sheffield is bigger “as a City” than both Manchester and Liverpool in terms of area and also population, it just doesnt feel it when you’re in the respective cities.
 
90% of the comments on Pro China Morning Post articles are wumao paid by the Communist Party so I look forward to comments on this article with interest...
 
Dkc said:
Because the city boundaries haven't kept pace with their growth. Urban area is a much better indicator of a city's size

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_area#United_Kingdom
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I tend to agree with that, but you do realise that Newcastle city centre is 15 miles from Sunderland city centre don't you? Using that as criteria then Sheffield could also include Chesterfield and Barnsley in our population figures as they are a similar distance from Sheffield city centre as Newcastle and Sunderland are. As an ex resident of Sunderland I would also concur with HodgysBrokenThumb on feelings between the two cities.
 
Eddiecolquhounsleg said:
I tend to agree with that, but you do realise that Newcastle city centre is 15 miles from Sunderland city centre don't you? Using that as criteria then Sheffield could also include Chesterfield and Barnsley in our population figures as they are a similar distance from Sheffield city centre as Newcastle and Sunderland are. As an ex resident of Sunderland I would also concur with HodgysBrokenThumb on feelings between the two cities.
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Can't really count Barnsley and Chessie in our urban area population. Unlike Rotherham, there is non-urban countryside in between. Here are the UK's biggest 'urban areas' from the linked article. The figures in brackets are their world ranking by population. Presumably Sunderland is included in the Newcastle population.

  • 1 (32) – London – 10,236,000
  • 2 (170) – Manchester – 2,639,000
  • 3 (183) – Birmingham-Wolverhampton – 2,512,000
  • 4 (259) – Leeds-Bradford – 1,893,000
  • 5 (390) – Glasgow – 1,220,000
  • 6 (565) – Southampton-Portsmouth – 883,000
  • 7 (570) – Liverpool – 875,000
  • 8 (619) – Newcastle – 793,000
  • 9 (650) – Nottingham – 755,000
  • 10 (701) – Sheffield – 706,000
  • 11 (776) – Bristol – 646,000
  • 12 (824) – Belfast – 600,000
  • 13 (942) – Leicester – 534,000
 

Dkc said:
Can't really count Barnsley and Chessie in our urban area population. Unlike Rotherham, there is non-urban countryside in between. Here are the UK's biggest 'urban areas' from the linked article. The figures in brackets are their world ranking by population. Presumably Sunderland is included in the Newcastle population.

  • 1 (32) – London – 10,236,000
  • 2 (170) – Manchester – 2,639,000
  • 3 (183) – Birmingham-Wolverhampton – 2,512,000
  • 4 (259) – Leeds-Bradford – 1,893,000
  • 5 (390) – Glasgow – 1,220,000
  • 6 (565) – Southampton-Portsmouth – 883,000
  • 7 (570) – Liverpool – 875,000
  • 8 (619) – Newcastle – 793,000
  • 9 (650) – Nottingham – 755,000
  • 10 (701) – Sheffield – 706,000
  • 11 (776) – Bristol – 646,000
  • 12 (824) – Belfast – 600,000
  • 13 (942) – Leicester – 534,000
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That's the point I am making. The distance between Sunderland and Newcastle is 15 miles with a lot of countryside (non urban countryside) between. They are both cities in their own right so should not be counted together. With Barnsley, in particular, you are barely out of Sheffield before you hit the suburbs of Barnsley, that's why these "Urban area" populations should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Portsmouth and Southampton city centres are 19 miles apart and are cities in their own right. It seems you can make your "Urban area" as big as you like.
The Sheffield urban area only seems to include us and Rotherham, whereas other areas, quite far apart and with plenty of countryside between, seem to get lumped together. With that being the case I don't see why we can't include Chesterfield and Barnsley. It all seem so random.
 
Dkc said:
Can't really count Barnsley and Chessie in our urban area population. Unlike Rotherham, there is non-urban countryside in between. Here are the UK's biggest 'urban areas' from the linked article. The figures in brackets are their world ranking by population. Presumably Sunderland is included in the Newcastle population.

  • 1 (32) – London – 10,236,000
  • 2 (170) – Manchester – 2,639,000
  • 3 (183) – Birmingham-Wolverhampton – 2,512,000
  • 4 (259) – Leeds-Bradford – 1,893,000
  • 5 (390) – Glasgow – 1,220,000
  • 6 (565) – Southampton-Portsmouth – 883,000
  • 7 (570) – Liverpool – 875,000
  • 8 (619) – Newcastle – 793,000
  • 9 (650) – Nottingham – 755,000
  • 10 (701) – Sheffield – 706,000
  • 11 (776) – Bristol – 646,000
  • 12 (824) – Belfast – 600,000
  • 13 (942) – Leicester – 534,000
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I’m not sure where you’re getting that from. I followed the link and what you’ve called Newcastle is ‘Tyneside’. It doesn’t include Sunderland as it’s further down the table.

List of urban areas in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
 
Tyneside would most likely include North and South Shields and Gateshead , certainly not Sunderland on account of it being in Wearside

Edit - belatedly followed link , soz.
 
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