Sorry Sander but I don’t mind if you leave

[Bladey_blade]

Hodges was a class above Berge. On an off day he was a nasty bastard, he'd leave his foot in, elbow some fucker etc. but he wouldn't hide. I like Berge when he's on his game to be honest, he can play when he fancies it but he has the heart the size of a pea. For a big lad his attitude and lack of aggression is fucking criminal.

Berge leaves his foot in or "elbows some fucker" he's got a straight red with a 3 game ban, totally different game to 30 year ago

 

[Greenblades]

Now I wasn't there today, but remind me who we had in forward positions that he could make key passes to? It's all very well saying easy back pass, but that is better than just lumping a hopeful ball forward in the hope that our 847th choice striker gets on the end of it

We had pace up top for once and yet at no time did Berge or anyone else try to hit the channel. He was totally useless. ( like the rest to be fair). I’m sick of this we can’t see quality rubbish. I can see what’s in front of me and Berge is a waste. Yes 3 times a game he might run forward but that’s it. He gets bullied and he’s six foot five.

 

[Bell4]

He has the ability to be taking games by the scruff of the neck.

He keeps the ball terrifically well and tends to make the right pass at the right time. Often simple , sideways or behind. I suspect this is where fans frustrations start.

That said, I do wish some of our fans would understand the importance of ball retention.

UTB

What our fans do understand is someone trying and busting a gut - he does non of this - and I'm a fan of his !

 

[Greenblades]

Berge has more class in his little toe than Monty and Booker , but they are folk hero’s

They tried. Class and no effort is fuck all use.

 

[Grappler]

If I recall correctly, Sander's goals have come when he is attacking down the right (someone can correct me if wrong, but he always seems to be at the far right post, facing the Kop). Yesterday he seemed to be always coming down the left, from where I was sitting.

Not sure if that was a deliberate tactic yesterday, or not.

He has all the skill in the world, but needs to be "on it", where he shrugs off players for fun, outpaces them, and fires back in from the byline.

Not sure how you get him revved up prior to kick off, but Hecky and co need to find a way, because the "on it" Sander is an absolute handful. The "casual" Sander is just a passenger, at times.

On saying all that, I would have hooked Fleck off first, out of midfield, he was offering nothing.

 

[DronnieBlade]

What our fans do understand is someone trying and busting a gut - he does non of this - and I'm a fan of his !

Understood.

But if you were designing your own player, how much emphasis, in the modern game, do you put on “bust a gut” against how much you place on technical ability ?

An abundance of both is ideal but those players are out of our reach financially.

So where would you compromise in a club who’s DNA is now firmly entrenched in a possession based style of play from U16s to the first team squad ?

It’s a bit of an idealised analogy I’m using but the point is made nonetheless.

The game has moved on. Crunching tackles and blasts up and down the wings are, largely, a thing of the past. Not saying that’s right btw but tis what it is.

The blood and thunder game that a high percentage of our fans crave won’t be coming to a cinema near you anytime soon.

Sorry to disappoint !

UTB

 

[nicksufc]

Never imposes himself on games. Always takes the easy option. Drifts through 90 minutes every week. I'm done defending him. He looks like an average Championship midfielder, and we paid £25m for him. What a disastrous signing.

 

[Captain2]

He hangs around with Odegaard and Haaland but he’s nowhere near their level unfortunately.

Played far too safe today but wasn’t the worst player on the pitch.

Struggle to find one who played any worse,no desire no creativity no fucking idea on recent performances can’t remember one fucking thing he contributed but think manager needs take some of the blame we now know Berge is much better in a forward creative role not plonked in central mid with Fleck and Norwood.

 

[Bell4]

Understood.

But if you were designing your own player, how much emphasis, in the modern game, do you put on “bust a gut” against how much you place on technical ability ?

An abundance of both is ideal but those players are out of our reach financially.

So where would you compromise in a club who’s DNA is now firmly entrenched in a possession based style of play from U16s to the first team squad ?

It’s a bit of an idealised analogy I’m using but the point is made nonetheless.

The game has moved on. Crunching tackles and blasts up and down the wings are, largely, a thing of the past. Not saying that’s right btw but tis what it is.

The blood and thunder game that a high percentage of our fans crave won’t be coming to a cinema near you anytime soon.

Sorry to disappoint !

UTB

Agree with you

It’s a modem game - I don’t want blood and thunder but someone who actively demonstrates they want to play for us and gives the impression they are trying .

Sander doesn’t do this

I am a big fan of his and I have defended him against others who write him off . We have seen what he can do and he can make such a difference to us , especially now when we need it at this time of the season and when we are down to the bare bones .

But his contribution over the last few games has been almost , nil .

I believed in him and the only person who would stop me believing in him is him. And he’s doing a great job of it .

He was invisible v Barnsley - my mates said he would probably not try so hard because he had been called up to the international team and didn’t want to get injured . This was said before kick off and it certainly looked like that .

As others have said , he has the ability to really help us over the line when we need him and to strike fear in the opposition . At the moment and over recent weeks he has done neither .

 

[Maurice Maurice]

Berge leaves his foot in or "elbows some fucker" he's got a straight red with a 3 game ban, totally different game to 30 year ago

OK, Berge sweeps his fringe from his eyes and pulls his socks up over his knees, does that work? Even that would require more effort than he's shown in recent games.

 

[Speedracer]

I have to say I am a big fan of Sanders, he is clearly a very talented player, but if we take yesterdays game in isolation it was clear to me that he was asked to play much deeper than normally. We all know when he is further up he goes past people for fun & has a lot more impact on games, but the fact he didn't even attempt a single run tells me he was told to hold & not do it. No idea why, for me he just doesn't influence the game from there & he & Norwood often occupy the same space & get in each others way, it just stifles all his creativity. Maybe the plan was to bring him back from his injury slowly & not play every game, but we are so thin on the ground player wise that is not an option right now, but he needs to be playing further forward to utilise his undoubted qualities.

 

[Bladey_blade]

OK, Berge sweeps his fringe from his eyes and pulls his socks up over his knees, does that work? Even that would require more effort than he's shown in recent games.

The man has scored 3 in 5 from midfield, a so done a damn sight more than most

 

[BettingBlade]

We had pace up top for once and yet at no time did Berge or anyone else try to hit the channel. He was totally useless. ( like the rest to be fair). I’m sick of this we can’t see quality rubbish. I can see what’s in front of me and Berge is a waste. Yes 3 times a game he might run forward but that’s it. He gets bullied and he’s six foot five.

So you’d be happy for a 20 million pound player to just try and “hit the channels”? If thats all you want then you’re right Berge is a waste, much better off with average journeyman footballers who we can pick up for next to nowt.

Christ some fans are going to be over the moon when we’re back to shite kick and rush football.

 

[BettingBlade]

He was invisible v Barnsley - my mates said he would probably not try so hard because he had been called up to the international team and didn’t want to get injured . This was said before kick off and it certainly looked like that .

He scored. Not bad for the invisible man.

 

[Bell4]

He scored. Not bad for the invisible man.

I know he did

 

[Broadsword]

I like sander, tall handsome, can play a bit when he feels like it

 

[Maurice Maurice]

The man has scored 3 in 5 from midfield, a so done a damn sight more than most

Yeah, just imagine if he'd put more effort in, he could have scored a damn sight more. Sorry, there's really no defence for performances like yesterdays, all that talent and he couldn't give a fuck.

 

[Chingo]

Yeah, just imagine if he'd put more effort in, he could have scored a damn sight more. Sorry, there's really no defence for performances like yesterdays, all that talent and he couldn't give a fuck.

So do you think he was worse than Fleck and Norwood yesterday ?

 

[alcoblade]

Understood.

But if you were designing your own player, how much emphasis, in the modern game, do you put on “bust a gut” against how much you place on technical ability ?

An abundance of both is ideal but those players are out of our reach financially.

So where would you compromise in a club who’s DNA is now firmly entrenched in a possession based style of play from U16s to the first team squad ?

It’s a bit of an idealised analogy I’m using but the point is made nonetheless.

The game has moved on. Crunching tackles and blasts up and down the wings are, largely, a thing of the past. Not saying that’s right btw but tis what it is.

The blood and thunder game that a high percentage of our fans crave won’t be coming to a cinema near you anytime soon.

Sorry to disappoint !

UTB

I thinks it’s a myth that we want blood and thunder now. Everyone gets that it’s gone from the English game.


But every football fan I know what’s a high tempo, and they know how and where goals are scored. Berge is guilty of stroking it around in low risk areas and doing the easy things - to build an attack someone has to penetrate. He seems to have the ability to do that, but rarely uses it. That’s what frustrates so many.

 

[Maurice Maurice]

So do you think he was worse than Fleck and Norwood yesterday ?

As bad as he was, Norwood put more effort in, despite the end product being wank. I remember two great passes from Fleck, he didn't do much else but all I remember about Berges performance was seeing him strolling around in the middle of the park.

 

[richblade]

Put him up front - can't be any worse surely
He might even learn how to head a ball

 

[Chingo]

As bad as he was, Norwood put more effort in, despite the end product being wank. I remember two great passes from Fleck, he didn't do much else but all I remember about Berges performance was seeing him strolling around in the middle of the park.

Remember people saying the same about Kevin McDonald and Glynn Hodges , if we won they were great players and if we lost they were luxury players we cannot afford to have in the team …

 

[Captain2]

So do you think he was worse than Fleck and Norwood yesterday ?

On a par with Norwood but at least Flecky put a shift in and he pissed himself when the ref got poleaxed.No excuse for that yesterday and against Joe fuckin Allen in midfield.

 

[Maurice Maurice]

Remember people saying the same about Kevin McDonald and Glynn Hodges , if we won they were great players and if we lost they were luxury players we cannot afford to have in the team …

Maybe some did, I didn't, but if they had a bad game I'd call it. Anyway, come on then, tell me what he did yesterday that has you so defensive of him.

 

[Chingo]

On a par with Norwood but at least Flecky put a shift in and he pissed himself when the ref got poleaxed.No excuse for that yesterday and against Joe fuckin Allen in midfield.

All three of them did nowt … in fact only RND earned his corn yesterday !
It’s the price tag that makes Berge a target , he was better than some and no worse than some others yesterday

 

[Chingo]

Maybe some did, I didn't, but if they had a bad game I'd call it. Anyway, come on then, tell me what he did yesterday that has you so defensive of him.

It’s not just yesterday is it , if we were shipping them out after a bad performance we would be playing the academy team against qpr

 

[Chingo]

Maybe some did, I didn't, but if they had a bad game I'd call it. Anyway, come on then, tell me what he did yesterday that has you so defensive of him.

Berge can’t do it on his own can he ?
When Baldock and Norwood and bash when fit have a good game so does Berge

 

[Maurice Maurice]

But it is yesterday. We were talking about his performance against Stoke and in my opinion Berge was terrible. Not for the first time either, but there ya go.

 

[Maurice Maurice]

Berge can’t do it on his own can he ?
When Baldock and Norwood and bash when fit have a good game so does Berge

It's not about doing it on his own though, is it? It's a team game, and sorry but his contribution to the team yesterday was fucking pitiful. Granted all around him were also poor but when you come with a large price tag, pick up more money in a month than a lot on here do in a year, the expectation is that he'd look a tad more interested than he does in the games where he can't be arsed to try.

 

[Chingo]

It's not about doing it on his own though, is it? It's a team game, and sorry but his contribution to the team yesterday was fucking pitiful. Granted all around him were also poor but when you come with a large price tag, pick up more money in a month than a lot on here do in a year, the expectation is that he'd look a tad more interested than he does in the games where he can't be arsed to try.