SJ

[Pedro Verde]

I really don’t believe what I hear in the press. I think most of my posts support that. Not that because I think they just make stuff up, but because they generally report whatever is being fed to them by various sources with various interests.
What I do is note what message is being put out and reported when it’s being fed and try to understand the angles and who would want that message circulating.
The reality is either the press are being briefed somewhere by someone consistently that SJ wants big money or they are making it up with zero sources which is unlikely. It’s even further unlikely that if they are making it up entirely that they wouldn’t also make up a bit more detail around the other aspects the fill out the story.

We will get a new manager come what may
If its SJ and hes being paid the going rate for a manager that has been very successful at Champioship level all well and good we are not party to the private interview he will have had and neither will the press
I take little notice of what the press say or what the so called ITK posters on here say one says its on one says its off. One of them will be right so is a broken clock twice a day

 

[Harrisblade]

It could have. But why would you be feeding the press only the parts about what your wage demand are? You’d be saying how interested you are in the project and the potential on offer, the challenge of getting us back to the PL and rebuilding that team. Bringing through the youth players who’ve done so well this season, when the time is right, and how bright the future looks. You wouldn’t be briefing just about how much you want to be paid if they want you. If you know you’re interested and want the job you’d be looking to get the fans behind you and getting your vision out to strengthen your hand with the board.

Surely the high salary aspect is because SJ is currently on a high salary and the media have simply picked it up and added it to the mix?
And after all, matching current salaries is always a massive stumbling block if we ever want to bring in (or hold on to) a good player!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Surely the high salary aspect is because SJ is currently on a high salary and the media have simply picked it up and added it to the mix?
And after all, matching current salaries is always a massive stumbling block if we ever want to bring in (or hold on to) a good player!

He’s out of contract so he’s on the going rate someone is willing to pay. Someone is putting out that he has to be one of the highest paid so it’s clearly a high priority. What we paid Wilder was substantial for his status, so why is this necessary?

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Interviewed well , money being discussed , very close

So you chatted,talked about £ notes,as you sat on the settee together.

 

[jono_t2000]

The concern is we don't have the right players, unless he's looking to change his style of play which is a big factor for those who want him here.
To play his way you are looking at over 10 signings and a least 5-6 first teamers. It's going to be great to watch, and probably what's needed, but it ain't going to be cheap or seamless.

If only we still had Callum Robinson and Luke Freeman around. They'd probably fit quite nicely into a SJ team

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

No where has mentioned extortionate demands so that would be new.
The original statement was £2M per year which is the top earner (deepening on who comes down) which is fucking expensive but not extortionate for the level.
So, in time honoured fashion, WYEDP?

I’ve got an inside man in the Zemun clan.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

If only we still had Callum Robinson and Luke Freeman around. They'd probably fit quite nicely into a SJ team

The latter maybe coming back if Forest decide not to progress. If they have the option to back out of course.

 

[Hagansbootlaces]

He’s out of contract so he’s on the going rate someone is willing to pay. Someone is putting out that he has to be one of the highest paid so it’s clearly a high priority. What we paid Wilder was substantial for his status, so why is this necessary?

Numerous factors to consider, Covid has affected what any clubs will pay for players & managers, according to the papers he wants to return to Europe, after his last 'showing' in the PL, it would be fair to assume that a PL club or one of the 3 joining this year, are not interested, Other than us and possibly WBA anyone else in the Championship likely to offer him a deal?
Obviously I am leaving out the big draw in world football, that we, can't compete with, as they have just been relegated, but still remain massive, well run, on and off the pitch and have billions to lavish on players, infrastructure and managers, and if Wednesday come in for him, thats it.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

We will get a new manager come what may
If its SJ and hes being paid the going rate for a manager that has been very successful at Champioship level all well and good we are not party to the private interview he will have had and neither will the press
I take little notice of what the press say or what the so called ITK posters on here say one says its on one says its off. One of them will be right so is a broken clock twice a day

I think you’re completely missing where I’m coming from. Someone is feeding the press that he’s interested if he going to be highly paid. You may think all the press are just lying and writing total fiction every time, I think that’s unlikely. I also think very few of them have decent sources within the club hence why they’ve been moaning. But they collectively have reported only that he’s interested if we pay him a big wage.
If we’re hiring a mercenary then I’ve a concern, and it certainly doesn’t mean he’s not good, most mercs are otherwise they’re not in the market long. For me, I’d rather someone be coming in and having something more than the pay check as their prime driver.

 

[bakeblade]

I dont think SJ would initially go four at the back
The board said they wanted a manager that would play three at the back due to the squad we have and dont want the expense of buying new players to fit a four at the back scenario

Basham wouldnt be a choice as a CB in the Championship in a four unless we were very desperate
The lack of pace with Basham and Egan as a CB pairing would be fully exposed

We seem to have recruited a strange set of footballers who can only play one formation

 

[Eric_Brooks]

He’s out of contract so he’s on the going rate someone is willing to pay. Someone is putting out that he has to be one of the highest paid so it’s clearly a high priority. What we paid Wilder was substantial for his status, so why is this necessary?

Why do you presume that SJ has put it out there that he’s highly paid? On the other side of the coin the club could say his demands were not reasonable and have that as an excuse to pull out

the hierarchy at our club has good form in changing its mind on many things including the training ground and likely that SJ will be a shoe in, ready to announce and then we will go in another direction

 

[Hagansbootlaces]

I think you’re completely missing where I’m coming from. Someone is feeding the press that he’s interested if he going to be highly paid. You may think all the press are just lying and writing total fiction every time, I think that’s unlikely. I also think very few of them have decent sources within the club hence why they’ve been moaning. But they collectively have reported only that he’s interested if we pay him a big wage.
If we’re hiring a mercenary then I’ve a concern, and it certainly doesn’t mean he’s not good, most mercs are otherwise they’re not in the market long. For me, I’d rather someone be coming in and having something more than the pay check as their prime driver.

Most Journalist and pundits don't have a clue, not just with things at the Lane but elsewhere, hence the usual suspects added to the lists of managers 'interested' usually coincide with some that have just been sacked and a few that have been out of work for a while, add in various agents throwing names to the media ( Congrats to Karl Robinsons agent, who seemingly has him linked to every vacancy in world football)
Look at the names the media suggested were in the running after CW left,, Monk, Bilic, Lampard, Bruce, Cowley, none of them have any connection or link with the club or the system.
Not sure its fair to class SJ as a mercenary, he has to prove himself, after managing in China, the same would apply to Clement, Blessin and to a lesser extent a British manager, its where we are, a big name with nothing to prove isn't an option.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Someone is feeding the press that he’s interested if he going to be highly paid.

Could be a nobody with no information whatsoever

You may think all the press are just lying and writing total fiction every time, I think that’s unlikely. I also think very few of them have decent sources within the club hence why they’ve been moaning. But they collectively have reported only that he’s interested if we pay him a big wage.

Again just conjecture no specific source could be just a rumour
The collective reporting is likley one journo repeating what another journo has said

If we’re hiring a mercenary then I’ve a concern, and it certainly doesn’t mean he’s not good, most mercs are otherwise they’re not in the market long. For me, I’d rather someone be coming in and having something more than the pay check as their prime driver.

I want the best person for the job
Again how do you know his wage demands are his prime driver
Wilder certainly looked after himself in his salary negotiations

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Why do you presume that SJ has put it out there that he’s highly paid? On the other side of the coin the club could say his demands were not reasonable and have that as an excuse to pull out

the hierarchy at our club has good form in changing its mind on many things including the training ground and likely that SJ will be a shoe in, ready to announce and then we will go in another direction

So you’re saying it’s the board who put out originally that Slav wants the role before anyone else linked him, and that he’d need to be the best paid manager in the league?
This is the same media who are moaning that the club don’t talk to them and there’s no benefit for the board. I’m going to need an explanation for that to see your view as anything aside from an daft attempt to have a baseless pop at the board.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Most Journalist and pundits don't have a clue, not just with things at the Lane but elsewhere, hence the usual suspects added to the lists of managers 'interested' usually coincide with some that have just been sacked and a few that have been out of work for a while, add in various agents throwing names to the media ( Congrats to Karl Robinsons agent, who seemingly has him linked to every vacancy in world football)
Look at the names the media suggested were in the running after CW left,, Monk, Bilic, Lampard, Bruce, Cowley, none of them have any connection or link with the club or the system.
Not sure its fair to class SJ as a mercenary, he has to prove himself, after managing in China, the same would apply to Clement, Blessin and to a lesser extent a British manager, its where we are, a big name with nothing to prove isn't an option.

If he’s not a mercenary why is the only thing about his interest in our role that is being reported is the fact he wants to be the highest paid. It’s weird that his representatives aren’t countering it if it’s nothing to do with then and putting something else out. It’s what they do, yet all I can find is him linked with us and how expensive he would be.

 

[Eric_Brooks]

So you’re saying it’s the board who put out originally that Slav wants the role before anyone else linked him, and that he’d need to be the best paid manager in the league?
This is the same media who are moaning that the club don’t talk to them and there’s no benefit for the board. I’m going to need an explanation for that to see your view as anything aside from an daft attempt to have a baseless pop at the board.
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I am saying it’s the board who have put it out there that his wage demands are high

 

[oxonblade]

I am puzzled by who does benefit from briefing the SJ will be expensive. I cannot see any advantage to SJ to be branded a mercenary, as this would deter most potential employers. On the other hand if we brief he is mega expensive, it means we can reject with good reason, or take him.on and gain enormous kudos for ambition

 

[Hagansbootlaces]

If he’s not a mercenary why is the only thing about his interest in our role that is being reported is the fact he wants to be the highest paid. It’s weird that his representatives aren’t countering it if it’s nothing to do with him and putting something else out. It’s what they do.

As with most topics, there is a difference between reality and what the media report, the general or lazy assumption that he is on mega money in China and will therefore command the same fee or more is based on what? the deal he signed years ago isn't relevant for a number of reasons, Covid, he wants out of China, what's he won in China, what's he won since getting Fulham promoted ?and donypg't forget its the same usual suspects in the media touting him for the position because of his experience and past history, that were slating him for not changing the all out attacking style when Fulham got relegated from the PL
Neither he or his agent is going to say, they will take the next job that's offered and wages aren't important, they don't have to say anything, because at the moment the media is doing their work for them in terms of hyping up his wages/profile.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I am saying it’s the board who have put it out there that his wage demands are high

You’re saying the board put out to the press a fortnight after Wilder walked that Slav wanted the role if we’d make him the highest paid manager in the league?
It’s that original report which started fans wanting him, so you’re also saying the board wanted to set the expectations of fans at that level when they always intended to disappoint.
This despite the local press all moaning that the board doesn’t have a relationship with them them.
You’re view makes no sense, unless you just want to spout nonsense to attack the board, otherwise it’s utter bollocks.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

As with most topics, there is a difference between reality and what the media report, the general or lazy assumption that he is on mega money in China and will therefore command the same fee or more is based on what? the deal he signed years ago isn't relevant for a number of reasons, Covid, he wants out of China, what's he won in China, what's he won since getting Fulham promoted ?and donypg't forget its the same usual suspects in the media touting him for the position because of his experience and past history, that were slating him for not changing the all out attacking style when Fulham got relegated from the PL
Neither he or his agent is going to say, they will take the next job that's offered and wages aren't important, they don't have to say anything, because at the moment the media is doing their work for them in terms of hyping up his wages/profile.

He hasn’t been managing in China, and I’m not sure he ever has. The press wouldn’t care unless someone had told them something around his availability because he was managing in the back of beyond.
I agree that it makes sense for his team to get the media going, so they released something to get his availability known and keep him in conversations for roles over here. However that also means they put out his demands in the same brief.

 

[Harrisblade]

He’s out of contract so he’s on the going rate someone is willing to pay. Someone is putting out that he has to be one of the highest paid so it’s clearly a high priority. What we paid Wilder was substantial for his status, so why is this necessary?

The first link and mention of his high salary came from the Sun on 20th March (see first post on original Jokanovic/ Rumour Mill thread)
So far all assumptions about his salary are paper talk.

 

[blade_ben]

As with most topics, there is a difference between reality and what the media report, the general or lazy assumption that he is on mega money in China and will therefore command the same fee or more is based on what? the deal he signed years ago isn't relevant for a number of reasons, Covid, he wants out of China, what's he won in China, what's he won since getting Fulham promoted ?and donypg't forget its the same usual suspects in the media touting him for the position because of his experience and past history, that were slating him for not changing the all out attacking style when Fulham got relegated from the PL
Neither he or his agent is going to say, they will take the next job that's offered and wages aren't important, they don't have to say anything, because at the moment the media is doing their work for them in terms of hyping up his wages/profile.

He ain’t been in China for a start

 

[Hagansbootlaces]

He ain’t been in China for a start

Apologies, NOT China,,,Qatar

 

[Eric_Brooks]

You’re saying the board put out to the press a fortnight after Wilder walked that Slav wanted the role if we’d make him the highest paid manager in the league?
It’s that original report which started fans wanting him, so you’re also saying the board wanted to set the expectations of fans at that level when they always intended to disappoint.
This despite the local press all moaning that the board doesn’t have a relationship with them them.
You’re view makes no sense, unless you just want to spout nonsense to attack the board, otherwise it’s utter bollocks.

I am unsure why you’re arguing like a test, however you continue your hormonal tirade against anyone that disgrees with you. From what I can read you have something against SJ which seems to be down to him being a mercenary but with no evidence of him actually saying how much he would do the job for, yet when I counter that with have you thought the board has done this so us fans know we at least reached for the skies yet we couldn’t come to terms it’s bollox.

I also said in my original comment that if your were aware of things behind the scenes there is form in how they are doing this, but don’t worry I don’t think SJ will be the new manager so you can go back to breathing again. That or maybe jumping on the boring work permit band wagon again.

have a nice life

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The first link and mention of his high salary came from the Sun on 20th March (see first post on original Jokanovic/ Rumour Mill thread)
So far all assumptions about his salary are paper talk.

I’m losing track of what point you’re all making.
You’ve just repeated exactly what I’ve been saying, his salary has been mentioned continuously since he was first linked and that’s my concern. Why leak or put that information out? Why not just say he’s interested in the role?
Unless you think the press just made up a link to a highly paid manager who’s been in the Middle East for the past 2 years and not been of any interest to championship teams in that period.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I am unsure why you’re arguing like a test, however you continue your hormonal tirade against anyone that disgrees with you. From what I can read you have something against SJ which seems to be down to him being a mercenary but with no evidence of him actually saying how much he would do the job for, yet when I counter that with have you thought the board has done this so us fans know we at least reached for the skies yet we couldn’t come to terms it’s bollox.

I also said in my original comment that if your were aware of things behind the scenes there is form in how they are doing this, but don’t worry I don’t think SJ will be the new manager so you can go back to breathing again. That or maybe jumping on the boring work permit band wagon again.

have a nice life

Your logic makes no sense. You are saying the board put his name and demands out back in March within a couple of weeks of Wilder walking. That view just doesn’t hold water.
Why would they do that back in March?
I think you have a problem with the board based on very little.

I’ve also said I don’t have a problem if he’s announced just a concern around why money is the only thing being mentioned and the fact he’ll nearly need a whole new team if we’re to play his style of 4-3-3 which is being mentioned. Personally I think he’ll play 3-4-3 or keep what we play now.

 

[Harrisblade]

I’m losing track of what point you’re all making.
You’ve just repeated exactly what I’ve been saying, his salary has been mentioned continuously since he was first linked and that’s my concern. Why leak or put that information out? Why not just say he’s interested in the role?
Unless you think the press just made up a link to a highly paid manager who’s been in the Middle East for the past 2 years and not been of any interest to championship teams in that period.

The press mentioned it because he is actually on a highsalary at the moment.
Since then it seems that everyone, especially you, has regarded the salary as incredibly important.
No-one knows whether it is or not, so finding fault with SJ because he is bound to be expensive (seemingly in every possible way) is not necessarily the reality of the situation.
Especially as it may not be him that has stressed his high salary which seems to be what you're most annoyed about.

 

[BigBed]

16th.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The press mentioned it because he is actually on a highsalary at the moment.
Since then it seems that everyone, especially you, has regarded the salary as incredibly important.
No-one knows whether it is or not, so finding fault with SJ because he is bound to be expensive (seemingly in every possible way) is not necessarily the reality of the situation.
Especially as it may not be him that has stressed his high salary which seems to be what you're most annoyed about.

I’m not annoyed, as I’ve said several times it’s a just concern if that is his primary reason for being interested. Especially when fed in with the amount of investment I think he’s going to need in the first team and wider squad. I see him as high risk, high reward option.
I still find it odd that his team haven’t put anything out to counter and show him in a more rounded light, if it’s not coming from them.
I still suspect it is.

 

[Ossett Blade]

I’m not annoyed, as I’ve said several times it’s a just concern if that is his primary reason for being interested. Especially when fed in with the amount of investment I think he’s going to need in the first team and wider squad. I see him as high risk, high reward option.
I still find it odd that his team haven’t put anything out to counter and show him in a more rounded light, if it’s not coming from them.
I still suspect it is.

You've got your point across now so you can stop droning on and on and on.............and on.