Should Wilder Be Trusted With The Squad Rebuild?

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Should Wilder Be Trusted With The Squad Rebuild?

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Simple question, IF we’re getting new owners, and we have a decent budget, should Wilder be trusted with the rebuild, given his record when he’s had money to spend? Or do we take this as a new opportunity for a totally new look and era.
 
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I would like to see a fresh start.. if we have new owners… if we haven’t I don’t think it matters much as we won’t get anyone good to work with The Prince
 
Absolutely not ! If it happens,clear the decks,how many more chances do you living in the past Wilder lovers going to give him ? He cannot/will not change his out of date style . Have you not been watching us since he jumped ship the first time,his signings at that time,his 2nd coming, his weekly hammerings,his expensive flop signings the 2nd time round, his clueless management after going 1 behind. It’s shit to watch,everyone said we were shit and were regressing quicker than the Morecambe tide.
 
SwissBlade said:
Yes for me, given his record at this level and building a side he should be given at least the time to build instead of going 180 again
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He had a formula that worked for four seasons which we all enjoyed but eventually was found out he is not the manager for our predicament hopefully the new board will address and rid us of Wilder
 
My worry is that Wilder has already come out and dismissed signing young and up coming players, saying that he's in the market for experienced players in the 27-29 years old bracket.

My worry with this strategy is that you can't survive as a club anymore with these kinds of signings.

Finances in the Championship are becoming more and more strained with clubs losing money every week. Unless you have a millionaire owner willing to personally bank roll your transfer window, then it's a sell to buy market now. That's it. Sell Hamer for £20-£25mil, use the money to sign a replacement, who should've been identified before considering selling him, and 2-3 other players, not 8-9 average players. 3-4 quality players in total max. Yes we lose Hamer, but the team would have a replacement and 2-3 additional quality players. It's not evil, or same old Blades, or a lack of ambition to sell Hamer if the result is a stronger team. This is the way! This is the modern transfer market. Forest sold Brennan Johnson last summer and are gearing up to sell Gibbs-White this summer. That's modern football.

We tried signing young players last season but our scouting sucked and we ended up with Slimane, Souza and Traore, all of whom will leave at losses on what we paid for them. Part of this appeared to be panic buying as all the takeover talk hampered some of our preparations, will we learn from that? It doesn't mean we should shut the book on this strategy, it simply means that we need to improve our scouting to target the right leagues and right players.

There are some great young players in League One who have proven themselves better than that division. Due to being in League One the fees will be relatively low as will the wages, even with a step up to the Championship. Not everyone will be a gem but with the right scouting and research at least one will make the step up and could later be sold for profit to fund a replacement and further signings. Other teams do this all the time. We never do as we seem to refuse to sell our players when their stock is high. Why we didn't sell Anel in January I'll never know as it was obvious to everyone that we jad no chance of staying up. Now it remains to be seen if we will sell him for the same alleged figure, or if that ship is sailed and we just get our money back on the sulking turd.

27-29 year old experienced free transfers are hardly going to be players who we will later sell to fund future transfer windows. I just don't see it.

This is a dangerous strategy that will go wrong if we don't go up in the next 2-3 seasons as we'll arguably have a team of players who no one will want as they'll be heading the wrong side of 30 by the end of that timescale. Hmm, that's familiar!

This club is stuck in the past and it's painful. It badly needs to enter the 21st century and wake the f**k up.

Personally I don't want Wilder in charge of signing players full stop as his record over his two seasons in the Premier League last time and this January all add to very expensive mistakes and huge losses. We have only sold Ramsdale and Ndiaye for profit during that period, all the rest of his signings were either released for free as write offs against their fees, or sold for significant losses as they ended up being worse players at the end than when they arrived (and yet many argue that Wilder is great at improving players..... my arse! 6 years ago.)

I'll be amazed if he's still here if the takeover happens. If the prospective new owners have vetoed Ben Osborn from what they've seen, then I can't imagine they'll be that impressed with what they've seen of Wilder's second spell last season.
 
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The system was formulated with jack and Bash overlapping, once jack dropped out of the squad through injury wilders football has been dire. Failed the second season failed at Boro failed at Watford failed to do anything with the squad last season. Hopefully a new manager with new ideas comes in even if the takeover falls Through
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
My worry is that Wilder has already come out and dismissed signing young and up coming players, saying that he's in the market for experienced players in the 27-29 years old bracket.

My worry with this strategy is that you can't survive as a club anymore with these kinds of signings.

Finances in the Championship are becoming more and more strained with clubs losing money every week. Unless you have a millionaire owner willing to personally bank roll your transfer window, then it's a sell to buy market now. That's it. Sell Hamer for £20-£25mil, use the money to sign a replacement, who should've been identified before considering selling him, and 2-3 other players, not 8-9 average players. 3-4 quality players in total max. Yes we lose Hamer, but the team would have a replacement and 2-3 additional quality players. It's not evil, or same old Blades, or a lack of ambition to sell Hamer if the result is a stronger team. This is the way! This is the modern transfer market. Forest sold Brennan Johnson last summer and are gearing up to sell Gibbs-White this summer. That's modern football.

We tried signing young players last season but our scouting sucked and we ended up with Slimane, Souza and Traore, all of whom will leave at losses on what we paid for them. Part of this appeared to be panic buying as all the takeover talk hampered some of our preparations, will we learn from that? It doesn't mean we should shut the book on this strategy, it simply means that we need to improve our scouting to target the right leagues and right players.

There are some great young players in League One who have proven themselves better than that division. Due to being in League One the fees will be relatively low as will the wages, even with a step up to the Championship. Not everyone will be a gem but with the right scouting and research at least one will make the step up and could later be sold for profit to fund a replacement and further signings. Other teams do this all the time. We never do as we seem to refuse to sell our players when their stock is high. Why we didn't sell Anel in January I'll never know as it was obvious to everyone that we jad no chance of staying up. Now it remains to be seen if we will sell him for the same alleged figure, or if that ship is sailed and we just get our money back on the sulking turd.

27-29 year old experienced free transfers are hardly going to be players who we will later sell to fund future transfer windows. I just don't see it.

This is a dangerous strategy that will go wrong if we don't go up in the next 2-3 seasons as we'll arguably have a team of players who no one will want as they'll be heading the wrong side of 30 by the end of that timescale. Hmm, that's familiar!

This club is stuck in the past and it's painful. It badly needs to enter the 21st century and wake the f**k up.

Personally I don't want Wilder in charge of signing players full stop as his record over his two seasons in the Premier League last time and this January all add to very expensive mistakes and huge losses. We have only sold Ramsdale and Ndiaye for profit during that period, all the rest of his signings were either released for free as write offs against their fees, or sold for significant losses as they ended up being worse players at the end than when they arrived (and yet many argue that Wilder is great at improving players..... my arse! 6 years ago.)

I'll be amazed if he's still here if the takeover happens. If the prospective new owners have vetoed Ben Osborn from what they've seen, then I can't imagine they'll be that impressed with what they've seen of Wilder's second spell last season.
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I agree with a lot of this. I was not against Wilder coming back, although with some caution and I am comfortable giving him time this season, as I would with any manager. But what I find so chaotic with manager roundabout in general, is the abandonment of planning and strategy each time. The Prince set out a plan around moving towards developing younger talent and looking at value in the foreign market. You can argue that is a good or bad plan or whether we are actually capable of seeing implementing it. But, this was aimed at making us a sustainable club. To be honest, I a much happier with the idea of us being a well run sustainable club, than depending on the give of take of a billionaire. If the club has a strategy and sticks to it, I am willing to accept that sometimes the wrong decision is made, or wrong signing is made, or we have a bad season, butover the up and downs of the football cycle if you do the right things you will move in the right direction. Being a sustainable club, outside the top 4 or 5, means developing players to sell on for a profit. I don't know if we are a selling club or not, I think we should be, but to be honest what has lead to a lot of our problems, is that we have been a 'cant sell club'...we have had some very good players, but not players who are going to generate a market price that allows to keep renewing the squad. The risk for me, is not the selling of players, I think a lot of the deals we made should have been good value, but our inability to replace them. When we replacedHecky, it would have made sense to look for a manager who qualities would reflect that strategy. I don't see why Wilder cant still be a good manager, and I am not saying he is beyond change, but to get the best out of him as a manager at present, it would likely involve another change of this supposed strategy when it comes to recruitment, solid. This is not just a Sheffield United thing, but most clubs seem to act like this at present, clubs abandon plans for coaches and managers who can address immediate needs, relegation scramble, last ditch play off run or anything to appease a bad run of results...just look at the different styles each Watford manager represents.
 
No because if has money to spend look what he bought Brewster waste of space Keeper to take over from Wes waste of space. On the other hand when he had no money he’s pick some good bargains up
 

Scenario 1. We have a tight budget to rebuild = keep Wilder, proven track record at recruiting gems with a modest budget.

Scenario 2. New potential owners are going to throw big money at the rebuild = replace Wilder due to previous history of wasting big money on poor, over rated players.
 
By the time anything gets sorted we’ll be into the season so he’s going to have to stay around.

Hopefully Hoyland and Allen find some gems for us.
 
HOT CURRIE 10 said:
Absolutely not ! If it happens,clear the decks,how many more chances do you living in the past Wilder lovers going to give him ? He cannot/will not change his out of date style . Have you not been watching us since he jumped ship the first time,his signings at that time,his 2nd coming, his weekly hammerings,his expensive flop signings the 2nd time round, his clueless management after going 1 behind. It’s shit to watch,everyone said we were shit and were regressing quicker than the Morecambe tide.
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I may not be good at maths but the club have only given him two chances. The first produced exceptional results and the second can only be judged after at least two windows.
 
I’d get rid of Hoyland too looking at his record at Everton…..
 
JayGreen17 said:
Simple question, IF we’re getting new owners, and we have a decent budget, should Wilder be trusted with the rebuild, given his record when he’s had money to spend? Or do we take this as a new opportunity for a totally new look and era.
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Yes he didn't spend the money. It was Jan Van Winckle. CW got none of the players he wanted Watkins ,Cash etc. But by his motivational coaching he got us to 9th in the Prem. The target was 17th !!!!!
 
Houston_Blade said:
By the time anything gets sorted we’ll be into the season so he’s going to have to stay around.

Hopefully Hoyland and Allen find some gems for us.
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Someone put an interview with des taylor on here earlier in answer to my question about who he is, tbf he came across as knowledgeable if he is part of the consortium looking to buy the club, I would think he's already put a lot of work in on targets for the summer
 
Yes

His recruitment record in the championship is good

He's never had a good budget in the championship before

If we get taken over, presumably we will have a good budget. He'd do a good job with it. He knows exactly what we need, he knows what works at this club
 
Aston max said:
Someone put an interview with des taylor on here earlier in answer to my question about who he is, tbf he came across as knowledgeable if he is part of the consortium looking to buy the club, I would think he's already put a lot of work in on targets for the summer
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As long as he can make sure the targets he’s got are match fit and able to play in a coherent system then we should have no problem.

If not let Wilder and his pals wheel and deal and sign players before the season starts. It can’t be any worse than last season (I hope).
 
Snowflake said:
I may not be good at maths but the club have only given him two chances. The first produced exceptional results and the second can only be judged after at least two windows.
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Open your eyes,yes we had a great spell,no argument. He then lost a major player and couldn’t play any other way,threw his toys out of the cot,failed at Boro,fell out with Gibson,who supposedly is the nicest guy as a chairman you could work for,did fuck all at Watford and then a 2nd coming at Bramall Lane because no other club would employ him. Look at his signings and money outlays as a majority,horrendous for a club our size,yes I know no manager gets it right all the time. Then he signs Grbic,Holgate as desperation at a huge cost and failure. I could go on and on. I went to every match during his last tenure and I saw 2/3 decent performances. Rohl across the city had the same job description with the same heap of shit and put Wilder into the shade in comparison,and it pains me to say that.
 
In my 30ish years of watching Sheffield United, Chris Wilder performed the best squad rebuild I've ever seen in one transfer window. Why on earth wouldn't I trust him?

Obviously nothing is guaranteed, but whether we have investment or not, I don't see anyone with a better CV when it comes to this challenge.

Wilder's signings at this level, whether it be free transfers or for money, have been very good on the whole.
 

HOT CURRIE 10 said:
Open your eyes,yes we had a great spell,no argument. He then lost a major player and couldn’t play any other way,threw his toys out of the cot,failed at Boro,fell out with Gibson,who supposedly is the nicest guy as a chairman you could work for,did fuck all at Watford and then a 2nd coming at Bramall Lane because no other club would employ him. Look at his signings and money outlays as a majority,horrendous for a club our size,yes I know no manager gets it right all the time. Then he signs Grbic,Holgate as desperation at a huge cost and failure. I could go on and on. I went to every match during his last tenure and I saw 2/3 decent performances. Rohl across the city had the same job description with the same heap of shit and put Wilder into the shade in comparison,and it pains me to say that.
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I understand those thoughts, but my understanding of the Boro and Watford jobs was not entirely his failings.
I too have reservations as to whether he can do the rebuilding, but he is here and we have to go with him.
His record of signings without money is not bad, but I worry about anything higher
 
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