Should we sack Selles? (Poll)

[metalblade]

Don't you think we were a little unlucky today ?
Admittedly first half was dreadful, but I thought we were better second half especially when Brooks(Cannon is not a winger)came on.
If the Millwall lad signs we still desperately need a right winger, Striker and midfielder.

Isn't Barrie right footed why do we have to keep playing with inverted wingers defenders just show them outside until the inevitable turn and pass back. we could try Brooks on the left and Barrie on the right and try getting behind defences that way we might get a few balls into the box for Campbell and Cannon or Oné to get onto.

 

[JayGreen17]

Cooper was the man for the job, experienced in the champ and surging the prem, he’s still available - go get him!

This cannot continue.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Really does make you wonder what the interview process looked like?

It was a strange appointment, there must have been plenty of left field choices without going for Selles

 

[calcalcal]

Don't you think we were a little unlucky today ?
Admittedly first half was dreadful, but I thought we were better second half especially when Brooks(Cannon is not a winger)came on.
If the Millwall lad signs we still desperately need a right winger, Striker and midfielder.

Last 20 we should have scored 3 or 4. That's football

 

[Upton_Blade]

Why would we have needed a huge change in approach, that just doesn’t make any sense.

Carlton Blade I may need an assist here mate.

The fact is last season we over achieved pretty much every single metric you judge a team on statistically. There is virtually no chance that happens 2 seasons running so IMHO without a change of approach from Wilder we wouldn't have a chance of repeating our 92 point haul from last year!

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

It was a strange appointment, there must have been plenty of left field choices without going for Selles

Really has me thinking about who else we spoke with and why/how Selles became first choice?!?!

Like you say, surely there were candidates out there with much stronger track records, yet we chose this guy over them.

Pretty sure when asked about his philosophy, playing one in midfield in a 4-1-5 formation wasn't his answer!

 

[Æthelstan]

Was an appointment I felt was 20% likely to be a stroke of genius and 80% a disaster. Looking more like 5% / 95% now.

Nonetheless, I think 10-12 games is the point at which you make the decision. Enough games to implement his ‘plan’ and see what ‘style’ he has brought in.

Hence my vote for ‘not now’

Too many points dropped after that many games. Then we have to play catch-up and scrape our way back up the table, if it's at all possible.

 

[Bladeslad89]

Carlton Blade I may need an assist here mate.

The fact is last season we over achieved pretty much every single metric you judge a team on statistically. There is virtually no chance that happens 2 seasons running so IMHO without a change of approach from Wilder we wouldn't have a chance of repeating our 92 point haul from last year!

Fair do’s mate, I respect your opinion but I don’t necessarily agree with it.

 

[Gavlar]

I think it's only fair to include friendlies and the cup game Gav.
He's overseen 10 now and he's made a right hash of it so far.

Wow. I get including the cup but friendlies? Come on.

 

[Blades1971]

OresSee poll below, will see what the snapshot is

Forest were bottom in September. They brought Cooper in and got promoted. Via the play offs.. Just saying

 

[lazyfecklessblade]

He’s had 4 games. If nothing changes by 6-8 he has to go, but not after 4 games

 

[bonobo]

I absolutely do not think you should be talking about sacking a manager after 3 games, however sceptical I am about the current set up. But the sad thing is with football these days, the toxicity of fans and mentality of boards, matters become unsustainable very quickly.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Carlton Blade I may need an assist here mate.

The fact is last season we over achieved pretty much every single metric you judge a team on statistically. There is virtually no chance that happens 2 seasons running so IMHO without a change of approach from Wilder we wouldn't have a chance of repeating our 92 point haul from last year!

The easiest statistical analysis is with and without and Souttar. 50 points, +19 GD pre injury, 42 points, +8 GD post injury.

24/25 United are the lowest scoring team, with the worst goal difference to ever achieve 90+ points. United and Burnley were 2 of the top 10 highest points per goal scored teams in Championship history (only one other was promotedwith Burnley, a really weird Brum team. The other 7 regressed to the mean the following season). There was already a steady decline and 42 points from 23 games with only a +8 gd, plus the other points screams regression.

This squad is smaller, less experienced, with a lower wage bill. My guess is they did not believe the same approach had a chance of achieving the success they wanted so they went for a riskier option.

Problem is, every single thing they've done since the final whistle at Wembley has been shoddy, disorganisedand amateur. They couldn't even make a decision on Wilder properly.

You hope mew owners don't mess too much stuff up before they settle in. Not been a great start

 

[RecordBreakers]

He has to go. There's no structure to our play we look totally out of sink and I don't see it improving. The team is still good enough to pick points up from the 3 league games and we've looked so far off doing that. He'll probably get the Boro game which should be his last, 8-10 games is to many for a man that has no clue what he's doing we'll be cut adrift by then. Get him gone.

 

[Champagneblade]

Don't think he's doing that bad considering we have a squad much weaker than the one that failed in the play-offs.

Lost all 4 games with a goal difference of -6.

That’s a pretty low bar for not bad

 

[bruce]

More realistically Danny Rohl anyone?! I think he'd accept it and we've seen how he got Wednesday defensively sound in his time there. Anyway, until Selles is likely sacked then it is what it is but he needs to get results and fast because I can't even recall a blades manager with a start as bad as this, ever. Even Slav did better than this.

At the beginning of the 1995-6 season we lost our first 5 games.

 

[Silky Sabella]

Hope thats not get Wilder back because that would be me finished.

Could not agree more. That would finish me too. Would rather watch a James bond film with Ronnie Moore as James Bond than have him back at Bramall Lane

 

[DronnieBlade]

Will your poll be able to factor in recency bias ?

Fuckin joke doing a poll today !!

UTB

 

[Andy67]

Not yet.

And, if we do, we might find that good managers aren't particularly interested in replacing him. I think the consensus around football was that Wilder was unlucky to lose his job. If Selles only gets 4 games, these owners are going to get a reputation as being ones to avoid.

How about chairman to avoid for employing him.

 

[Dkc]

Amazing how many want to sack our new manager after three league games. Probably many were also calling for Wilder's head after doing everything but get promoted.

Selles showed at Reading that he can be a winning manager, he's not an idiot without a clue as some are implying. But he needs time, patience and the players he wants.

I can't see the team suddenly starting to play better if we sack Selles and get another manager. It's far weaker than last season with lots of new players who are yet to build an understanding.

 

[SU93]

For me he has to go.

Couldn't care less if it's three games into the season and before people throw it at me, I wouldn't want Chris back. There seems to be no plan, players are visually frustrated and look clueless when we get on the ball and there seems to be no improvement as the weeks go by. The board of course need to shoulder part of the blame with the lack and quality of players coming into the club however it's on the manager when poor teams are cutting through us like butter.

We've not even played a quality team yet and this situation could get even worse. Why would Hamer want to stay around with how everything is going on at the club currently? I don't even have full confidence of this board actually hiring a decent replacement.

 

[John Cutsbushes]

Great bloke, every qualification available, talks well, but csnt win enough football matches
His stats showed that before he was appointed, which makes his appointment even more staggering
Seles out I'm afraid

 

[Matlock Blade]

People keep saying our squad are good enough to be near the top of the Championship. If that is true, why do so many think only Wilder can do a good job?
To have a good chance of progressing we need to get over thinking we are so bad that only a Blade will ever be good enough to manage us.
Wilder going was the correct decision.
Appointing Selles appears bizarre considering his CV... Reminds me of McCabe appointing Robson.
We should have gone for a proven manager like Dyche or Cooper.

 

[Badger Blade]

If we come back after the internationals with the squad he wants, or close to it and we're still getting performances like this, then something might need to happen. He's not been helped by the owners to cut hum some slack but FFS do something in the meantime to get the best out of what you've got, whether it means going 352, 4231, 442 or whatever else because Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder and Chris McCausland between them could all tell us that this sure as shit isn't working.

I get that it'll take a bit of time to implement what he wants but if what he wants isn't possible, he's unwilling to change and results don't come, then we'd better see what Sean Dyche is up to.

 

[Andy67]

Wilder irritated me, I quite like Selles as a person & think he talks really well in press conferences & I borderline feel sorry for him with what’s happening.

But we’re absolutely dog shit, I don’t think he’s got the right coaching team. He’s got no football experience in there at all.

Cut our losses while there’s a few good experienced managers that are unemployed. Wilder got sacked for a lot less

Absolutely right

 

[Andy67]

Really has me thinking about who else we spoke with and why/how Selles became first choice?!?!

Like you say, surely there were candidates out there with much stronger track records, yet we chose this guy over them.

Pretty sure when asked about his philosophy, playing one in midfield in a 4-1-5 formation wasn't his answer!

No one, he was parachuted in.

 

[GymClassHero]

See poll below, will see what the snapshot is

Get him gone now, it's just not going to work.

 

[Bladesince59]

No one will want the job.

 

[SB_90]

its too early. its the toughest thing as a football fan. because we just need to be patient, 3 games is too early to get rid of anyone & i think we have to at least ipswich.

but go if this goes 5 games 5 defeats 0pts. or even 5 games 1 draw 4 defeats & ipswich give us a heavy beating. then we can start realistically talking that he's got to go. even David Weir made it to October. got sacked after a run of, no win & 7 defeats in 9

 

[Younger Dryas Blade]

I'd give 3 him games after the window has closed. If there is no improvement he has to go.

Cooper joined Forest when they were in dire straights at similar stage and got them promoted.