Selles sacked

[BigBed]

Can't help but click onto this thread, in the vain hope that it might just be true......(sigh)

 

[Hamer's Right Peg]

I could accept losing if we were playing well but we're not. We're completely unorganised & his coaching team are younger than half of the players. He's stuck with a midfield 3 that everyone can see doesn't work, it was evident in the pre-season game against Burton that it didn't work. I've not idea how or why he's persisted with it.

We had a good team out there against Boro regardless of what anyone thinks and we created nothing. What style of play is Selles even playing? Its not high intensity its not attacking, its not solid defensively. I've no idea whats going on.

Well he has a completely different midfield now.

 

[Jan Age]

I was all for a change and I’m glad we’ve made one:

But anyone who has been around football and specifically Sheffield united can ‘smell’ when a manager is t going to work.

This guy isn’t going to work so just get rid… we can still have the change but just a better one with more of a proven track record

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Well he has a completely different midfield now.

Does he, though? We signed one midfielder & he's excluded Soumare so far. If he's sticking with 3 in the middle then it'll be interesting to see who starts vs Ipswich. I'm surprised he's still here though after the fans reaction post Boro

 

[Kona]

I agree with the general sentiment but the biggest issue is we’ve all sat there and watched us play with a formation that clearly isn’t working and which Selles seems to be resistant to fixing. I will generally always give a manager the benefit of the doubt. Whatever you think of them, they’re usually in the job for good reason, have spent far more time studying the game than we ever will, and spend most days on the training pitch with the players. The players need to deliver on these plans too, and I can’t automatically assume they are doing exactly what they’re told. But we’re quickly reaching the territory where we’re watching games with no clue what Selles is thinking. I can see some elements of what he’s trying - the pressing for sure - and yet I watch us leave spaces all over the pitch time and time again and have no clue if Selles is even seeing the same thing because he’s seemingly making no attempt to fix things. Against Boro we created one chance through pressing, and the only other chance came after we started playing more progressively mostly because Hamer looked as thought he thought “f*ck it” and started playing quickly through the lines. But he was the only one doing it. I see no evidence of us playing in a way which opens up teams, nor any evidence of us tightening up gaps when we don’t have the ball. I want to give Selles time but I have no confidence in his plan right now. I have no clue what his plan even is.

I agree. I don’t have a great depth of tactical knowledge and understanding like some posters, but the gaps in the middle of park have been stark and a huge red flag, they keep us on the back foot… but I’m not convinced he had the personnel to plug it effectively. I may be wrong, but that’s my take on it.

From his early interviews, I assumed it would a bit more ‘gung ho’ and open than we’d been used to but if those gaps and the lack of/or ineffective attacking intensity are still there now he has the players at his disposal - then yes, he has to go.

 

[Davalon]

Assuming he's still here for the Ipswich game, I think that will give an indication as to whether he's going to be around long.

Play the same system and struggle, even more people will think he's the wrong man.

Change it up, adapt, see an improvement in performance, and whilst plenty still won't be convinced, there will be a little more calm (until the next game at least )

 

[LondonBlade89]

Another devils advocate post (I do think we need a change and don't think Selles can recover) BUT - the wingers aren't tracking back OR pressing, is that really the instruction from Selles?

Midfield isn't helping defence but most of the chances from other teams have been out wide not in the middle.

We have to get the press back to what it was against Bristol (RND) but also get midfield and wingers doing more to support the defence. I think the players are hesitant to go all out after Bristol and that can't be fixed easily but doesn't just lie at Selles.

I think you’re asking too much of the wide players to be the only ones providing defensive cover. I haven’t watched enough teams playing 4-3-3 but, for example, I would rarely watch Liverpool playing that formation and be demanding to know why Salah or Luis Diaz weren’t helping Trent or Robertson deal with overlaps. Bigger issue seems to be complete lack of join up with the midfield three.

 

[LurkerBlade]

I think you’re asking too much of the wide players to be the only ones providing defensive cover. I haven’t watched enough teams playing 4-3-3 but, for example, I would rarely watch Liverpool playing that formation and be demanding to know why Salah or Luis Diaz weren’t helping Trent or Robertson deal with overlaps. Bigger issue seems to be complete lack of join up with the midfield three.

Fair comment but watch the wingers against us (for Swansea and B'Ham) and you'll see we hardly ever get our wingers isolating their fullbacks

Bristol/M'boro play a 5 so that's different I guess.

 

[1987]

He's had 4 games with a substandard team (crucially missing CBs and DMs) - nobody was getting wins from those games realistically

That's just not really true is it.

Yes we were weakened, but let's not pretend we had a terrible team. And we've not exactly been playing class teams.

He took over rock bottom, terrible, Hull. Kept them up.
Managed a massively inexperienced Reading team in L1 into playoff positions.

Hull were 3 points off safety after 19 games (when he took over). They were safe on goal difference 27 games later. Hardly a ringing endorsement, won 2 of their last 9 games.

Think Reading were on 30 points when he left, after 17 games (1.76 ppg).

They got 45 points over the next 29 games (1.55ppg) once he left - this was his replacements first real job as a manager btw. So it's good, but not exactly startling.

This is all to say, nowt special.

He talks intelligently about football.

Maybe you've been taken in by that - but talking intelligently about something means ansolutely nothing.

But that's all besides the point which is - we've been regressing ever since the first game.

So we have a manager who lacked the credentials to start with, has picked a team and system anybody with eyes had figured out wasn't working, sounds increasingly like he doesn't understand the problem in post match interviews and had a team which wouldn't play for him. Missing DMs? Maybe he should have played the one he signed at the start of the season and has inexplicably left on the bench.

Think there's a lot of signs he's not up to it.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Easy to do when you have options of who to bring in. He was pretty much stuck with the team he was playing and couldn’t run the changes if he wanted to. Now he has that option.

Do you think he thought those players were good enough pre-season?

He didn’t pipe up till pretty late when the promise of ‘two before (Swansea?) fell through.

 

[Addison]

Assuming he's still here for the Ipswich game, I think that will give an indication as to whether he's going to be around long.

Play the same system and struggle, even more people will think he's the wrong man.

Change it up, adapt, see an improvement in performance, and whilst plenty still won't be convinced, there will be a little more calm (until the next game at least )

My heart says he'll change it up. Even go for a 3 at the back and we see a much improved performance with players knowing what their roles are. My head says he's out of his depth, intransigent, wedded to a formation and analysis that will never work with any players at his disposal. We lose at Ipswich starting with COH, Peck and Hamer. He's out the door as a result and rightly so.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Do you think he thought those players were good enough pre-season?

He didn’t pipe up till pretty late when the promise of ‘two before (Swansea?) fell through.

There’s alsorts of things that could have happened.
He might not have been happy but was promised new players. During pre-season against lower level opponents it looked positive so he was fine.
Maybe he wasn’t fine but until he was under direct fire from the fanbase he didn’t say anything.
Maybe he thought the players would listen and adapt or maybe he thought they would adapt quicker and they’re not capable of that.

I know previous managers liked to do it but coming out and openly criticising or pointing fingers at your paymasters doesn’t sit right many and as a leader you take responsibility if you can.

 

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

He will definitely be here for Ipswich.

I can see him completely changing set up. I think he would look to make it a really solid team (maybe 3 at the back) and try and beat them on the counter and grab a first win regardless of tactics.

With 3 Center backs and two CDMs, you could play a front 3 (similar to Boro) and look to play this vertical football for quick attacks once we break them down.

But then you don't have room for a Hamer or oHare

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Transition in any business is tough and you can’t win everyone over. From experience it also can take a while to demonstrate positive progress especially when you’re trying to deal with a workforce stuck in its ways and not wanting to change, even actively undermining it where they can.
There’s always lots of pressure to give up and go back to the old ways, and the longer it takes the noisier it gets.
But if you want or need change, and we do, you have to go through this curve and from a people perspective not everyone makes it. At some point they either get on the bus or need to be left.
Add to this most business don’t have 25,000 demanding immediate success with very little patience.

If it’s not Selles it’ll be the next guy as this board aren’t going back to Wilderball. Hell, Chris and Alan couldn’t even recreate it the second time.

 

[Pintor75]

I think he could go 3 at the back let seriki & Burrows up supporting midfield of Pek & Soumare, Ogbene on the right Hamer , Campbell/ Ings up top.
My choice would be.
Cooper
Godfrey, Manganate, Mee/Mcguinness, Burrows
Peck, Soumare
Ogbene, Chong/Barry
Hamer
Campbell/Ings
Let Hamer play where he can do more damage roving and supporting the striker

 

[FriethBlade]

He will definitely be here for Ipswich.

I can see him completely changing set up. I think he would look to make it a really solid team (maybe 3 at the back) and try and beat them on the counter and grab a first win regardless of tactics.

With 3 Center backs and two CDMs, you could play a front 3 (similar to Boro) and look to play this vertical football for quick attacks once we break them down.

But then you don't have room for a Hamer or oHare

3 CBs and 2 CDMs would make sense but those 2 CDMs have hardly kicked a competitive ball since May. Plus of those 3 CBs you would think that all of them will be newcomers.

So that's a lot of new players in the side. However he might get some patience from the fans if he does this whereas if he plays Peck Ohare and Hamer again and we lose hes definitely had it!!

 

[Paisley Blade]

My heart says he'll change it up. Even go for a 3 at the back and we see a much improved performance with players knowing what their roles are. My head says he's out of his depth, intransigent, wedded to a formation and analysis that will never work with any players at his disposal. We lose at Ipswich starting with COH, Peck and Hamer. He's out the door as a result and rightly so.

Starting with the same midfield would amount to willful negligence.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

3 CBs and 2 CDMs would make sense but those 2 CDMs have hardly kicked a competitive ball since May. Plus of those 3 CBs you would think that all of them will be newcomers.

So that's a lot of new players in the side. However he might get some patience from the fans if he does this whereas if he plays Peck Ohare and Hamer again and we lose hes definitely had it!!

Going 3 at the back and then 2 CDMs is surely too defensive? At least one needs to be a carrier and if you’ve 3 centre backs I’d say you’re looking at one of those to step in in case you lose the ball. 2 CDMs or even 1 just keeps us too deep and we’d have a huge gap between our defence and attack.

 

[ITALIANO BLADE]

dont sack ruben sells he will come good he now has the quality tools he needed in his blades toolbox he should win if not it will be toxic and even though i like him has a person it will be time for a change we cant keep loosing its not in our make up.ethos we WIN,.ch0w,italiano pasta grub all round when he wins tractor boys next game,he said we would win every game it hasnt happened now youve the tools you wanted get winning no excuses play your 433 and get on with it,win pal.no where to hide buddy if you dont get wins,,i backed you i now have my haters like you do get a grip and WIN .,ciao,,forza selles ball just win.dont fail or i cant help you no more i want wins has well has everyone else WEV ONY WIN IF NOT,, GOODBYE ,,

 

[ITALIANO BLADE]

YOU NOW HAVE YOUR QUALITY TOOLS IN THE BOX ,NOW WIN PAL

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Going 3 at the back and then 2 CDMs is surely too defensive? At least one needs to be a carrier and if you’ve 3 centre backs I’d say you’re looking at one of those to step in in case you lose the ball. 2 CDMs or even 1 just keeps us too deep and we’d have a huge gap between our defence and attack.

Yep, we've had x2 games this season with zero (yes two games with fucking zero) shots on target and his solution is to pack half the team with CBs and CDMs...

Fuck me.

 

[FriethBlade]

Going 3 at the back and then 2 CDMs is surely too defensive? At least one needs to be a carrier and if you’ve 3 centre backs I’d say you’re looking at one of those to step in in case you lose the ball. 2 CDMs or even 1 just keeps us too deep and we’d have a huge gap between our defence and attack.

It depends how you set up as it worked last season with Souza and Peck as it allows Burrows and Seriki to attack down the flanks where we have been dog shit so far. It also means we dont have to shoehorn Godfrey into right back which isn t his position.

Godfrey Mee Tanganga
Seriki Peck Matos Hamer Burrows
Ings Campbell

Not too defensive and not too dissimilar set up from last season

You then have Ohare Barry Brooks One to throw on if needed

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

Probably sweating on paying up the 3 year contract,i am sure they will be trying to negotiate,until then both sides will keep quiet.

 

[Blade58]

It depends how you set up as it worked last season with Souza and Peck as it allows Burrows and Seriki to attack down the flanks where we have been dog shit so far. It also means we dont have to shoehorn Godfrey into right back which isn t his position.

Godfrey Mee Tanganga
Seriki Peck Matos Hamer Burrows
Ings Campbell

Not too defensive and not too dissimilar set up from last season

You then have Ohare Barry Brooks One to throw on if needed

I’d stick Ogbene where you have Seriki
Also not sure where you have Matos, as to whether Soumare goes there and also hoping Blaster is back soon and back to his best so who does he replace?

 

[Tony Currie]

Two games - Ipswich and Charlton if the performance and results haven't improved he is out.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Players were fine doing it in pre-season, even at Fulham & in France. They’re gun shy after the Bristol game, we saw the same mental weakness all last season which would often see us camped in our own box for the last 20 mins of games waiting for the other team to score.

This is the only thing I’m clinging on to. We were great pre-season. The opening day humiliation has played a huge part in terms of heads dropping. We just needed a scrappy 1-0 win at Boro. If he remains in charge then that what we need at Ipswich and things will likely change.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

It depends how you set up as it worked last season with Souza and Peck as it allows Burrows and Seriki to attack down the flanks where we have been dog shit so far. It also means we dont have to shoehorn Godfrey into right back which isn t his position.

Godfrey Mee Tanganga
Seriki Peck Matos Hamer Burrows
Ings Campbell

Not too defensive and not too dissimilar set up from last season

You then have Ohare Barry Brooks One to throw on if needed

You’ve really confused me for two reasons.
I genuinely can’t recall playing 3 at the back regularly last season and as proven this season, Peck can’t/wont play as a CDM.

 

[Cuypers]

I could accept losing if we were playing well but we're not. We're completely unorganised & his coaching team are younger than half of the players. He's stuck with a midfield 3 that everyone can see doesn't work, it was evident in the pre-season game against Burton that it didn't work. I've not idea how or why he's persisted with it.

We had a good team out there against Boro regardless of what anyone thinks and we created nothing. What style of play is Selles even playing? Its not high intensity its not attacking, its not solid defensively. I've no idea whats going on.

This is what’s bothering me too. Last season I spent a lot of time in Scotland and among other teams I watched Kelty Hearts, ICT, Dumbarton and Airdrie. The players were individually, and obviously, nowhere near as skilful as ours but they still managed to play as a team and had a style of play. Let’s hope we finally get going after a positive transfer window.

 

[Davalon]

This man for me

 

[shaun the blade 1961]

I think he could go 3 at the back let seriki & Burrows up supporting midfield of Pek & Soumare, Ogbene on the right Hamer , Campbell/ Ings up top.
My choice would be.
Cooper
Godfrey, Manganate, Mee/Mcguinness, Burrows
Peck, Soumare
Ogbene, Chong/Barry
Hamer
Campbell/Ings
Let Hamer play where he can do more damage roving and supporting the striker

That side would be OK, but ogbene can't play at Ipswich