Selles sacked

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We win a couple then lose a couple everything just resorts back to the shocking start.
I want him gone now, I think he's out of his depth, if he's still here for Ipswich and we lose, then maybe the owners might sack him then, get a new manager in, where they might think Charlton nxt, give the new manager that game to start off with, with Oxford the week after, though we know what happened at Oxford last season
 

I can't and I think we'll regret missing out on him
Me too. Football Focus did a feature on him last season and he looked and sounded very impressive indeed. Great record at Stockport and seems very well organised and driven. Norwood will give us a good review. Not what we will go for but, Dave Bassett and Wilder were plucked from those sorts of background.
 
Who’s covering defence if we play 4 at the back ?

Serious question

Peck isn’t a CDM
Hamer isn’t
O’hare isn’t

Apart from peck the only who can tackle is Peck … but he’s more box to box …

O’hare and Hamer are too creative to waste defending our 18 year box

Yet this idiot has played that midfield in every game so it’s essentially 4 defenders isolated
 
Who’s covering defence if we play 4 at the back ?

Serious question

Peck isn’t a CDM
Hamer isn’t
O’hare isn’t

Apart from peck the only who can tackle is Peck … but he’s more box to box …

O’hare and Hamer are too creative to waste defending our 18 year box

Yet this idiot has played that midfield in every game so it’s essentially 4 defenders isolated
Matos
 
Who’s covering defence if we play 4 at the back ?

Serious question

Peck isn’t a CDM
Hamer isn’t
O’hare isn’t

Apart from peck the only who can tackle is Peck … but he’s more box to box …

O’hare and Hamer are too creative to waste defending our 18 year box

Yet this idiot has played that midfield in every game so it’s essentially 4 defenders isolated

Matos or Soumare
 
All about how he sets up at Ipswich for me.

If it's the same system and set up but with the odd personnel change, I think he's done for barring an unexpected outcome in the game.

You could have prime Makalele, Keane, Kante etc playing Peck's role and we'd struggle.

Change it up, plug the gaps, look more threatening, score a goal or two, even get a point or 3, then who knows.

After the last week, I'm not overly convinced it will be
if hes continuing with 4 at the back he has to play soumare and matsos as 2 dm at ipswich and hamer if hes still here in front of them and put o'hare and peck on the bench
 
All about how he sets up at Ipswich for me.

If it's the same system and set up but with the odd personnel change, I think he's done for barring an unexpected outcome in the game.

You could have prime Makalele, Keane, Kante etc playing Peck's role and we'd struggle.

Change it up, plug the gaps, look more threatening, score a goal or two, even get a point or 3, then who knows.

After the last week, I'm not overly convinced it will be the latter.

Do you mean - 'if he starts to show any semblance of learning from his previous mistakes that he keeps making over and over again...' ?

I agree with you, btw.
 
Obviously there a chance especially now he has new players in that we can see a big upturn in performances.

BUT for me I'd cut the cord. Good managers recognise where they are short in positions and try to play around that. Sometimes you'll see a manager make a point by playing, players out of position.

But even then if we were saying this about our wingers at times or midfield he's being too spiteful at the expense of performances and midfield. So I don't think that's the case.

For me so far we've managed to look largely very poor. We've not even had a full half of football where I can say "yep that was pretty good overall" Closest to that was B.City 1st half and we looked as open as can be defensively still.

You look at his credentials and prior history and I just can't help but think this is a young coach with not as much about him as the board thought.

Prove me wrong if he stays. Please do!
But I would personally be happy to switch. Assuming the replacement is sound. For me would rather it not be Carrick. Prefer the obvious ones in Cooper or Dyche.
Wouldn't be totally averse to Rohl but his time at Wednesday was kinda mixed too..
 
But if players aren't doing as he's told them, he needs to sub them or drop them. Send a message or, I don't know, man manage his squad.

That's what managing a team is about. Some get it, some you have to break it down and explain it slowly. You can't assume all assimilate information the same way.

To keep picking the same players in the same roles indicates he isn't telling them to press, or they're not listening to him but as he keeps picking them, they know there's no consequence. I'm not sure which is worse???
Easy to do when you have options of who to bring in. He was pretty much stuck with the team he was playing and couldn’t run the changes if he wanted to. Now he has that option.
 
Easy to do when you have options of who to bring in. He was pretty much stuck with the team he was playing and couldn’t run the changes if he wanted to. Now he has that option.
Indeed, he's barely had a bench all season.

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There's nothing there that's going to change a game.
 
Wouldn't say that's weaker than most the first half of last season and we were doing significantly better
It's weaker, but probably not by too much. Holding, O'Hare, BBD on bench the stand out experience, we had nothing.

Additionally, we also had Souza, Anel, Moore and Choudhury in the first XI.

The squad was much stronger last season than he's had this season.... until now.
 
It's weaker, but probably not by too much. Holding, O'Hare, BBD on bench the stand out experience, we had nothing.

Additionally, we also had Souza, Anel, Moore and Choudhury in the first XI.

The squad was much stronger last season than he's had this season.... until now.

That bench isn’t weaker than Wednesday’s and most of the teams in the bottom half. And the first XI is top 6 level.
 
Just playing Devil’s advocate here…

While there’s no denying it’s been a terrible start, Selles had big shoes to fill, and deal with culture that ran through the club. He’s also clearly brought a different management style, and playing style, which some of the players will not have adapted to or liked.

Add in the challenge of the transfer window, the departure of some key players and the uncertainty of the remaining players futures. Selles was clearly frustrated with lack of timely signings - I can’t remember any other manager calling out the board/recruitment team in the first few weeks of their tenure!

All of this along with limited options to field a strong team was never going to make it an easy start.

Now I’m not defending him, as I was not convinced he was the right appointment in the first place, but to say he’s disorganised and a crap Manager at this stage seems a little premature.

In my opinion, the decision for the board is whether they give him time to prove his worth, now he has the players at his disposal, and risk losing further ground on the top six or do they hold him accountable for what seems to be their failings?!
 

That bench isn’t weaker than Wednesday’s and most of the teams in the bottom half. And the first XI is top 6 level.

I don't think the first XI is top six personally because that's the problem, that XI can't be fit into any workable formation.
 
I’ll put my mortgage on it not working for Selles. You don’t look this bad & unorganised for four games and then suddenly spark into life. We’ll lose to Ipswich and then we’ll be 12-15 points behind the top teams.

My personal opinion is Selles doesn’t have a strong enough coaching & management team along side him. You look at Rohl and as inexperienced as he was he surrounded himself with experience. That’s what Selles should have done.
Tbf saw Arsenal recover from 8 losses in 10 under Arteta in 20/21 and then 3 losses in a row to begin 21/22.

Not saying patience always gets you somewhere but we (the board) absolutely shafted Selles in preseason.

Sold Vini, sold Anel 3 days before the start of the season and basically didn't replace them until Monday.

Does it excuse Selles absolutely not but he was dropped in at the deep end told to win straight away.
 
Tbf saw Arsenal recover from 8 losses in 10 under Arteta in 20/21 and then 3 losses in a row to begin 21/22.

Not saying patience always gets you somewhere but we (the board) absolutely shafted Selles in preseason.

Sold Vini, sold Anel 3 days before the start of the season and basically didn't replace them until Monday.

Does it excuse Selles absolutely not but he was dropped in at the deep end told to win straight away.
I could accept losing if we were playing well but we're not. We're completely unorganised & his coaching team are younger than half of the players. He's stuck with a midfield 3 that everyone can see doesn't work, it was evident in the pre-season game against Burton that it didn't work. I've not idea how or why he's persisted with it.

We had a good team out there against Boro regardless of what anyone thinks and we created nothing. What style of play is Selles even playing? Its not high intensity its not attacking, its not solid defensively. I've no idea whats going on.
 
Just playing Devil’s advocate here…

While there’s no denying it’s been a terrible start, Selles had big shoes to fill, and deal with culture that ran through the club. He’s also clearly brought a different management style, and playing style, which some of the players will not have adapted to or liked.

Add in the challenge of the transfer window, the departure of some key players and the uncertainty of the remaining players futures. Selles was clearly frustrated with lack of timely signings - I can’t remember any other manager calling out the board/recruitment team in the first few weeks of their tenure!

All of this along with limited options to field a strong team was never going to make it an easy start.

Now I’m not defending him, as I was not convinced he was the right appointment in the first place, but to say he’s disorganised and a crap Manager at this stage seems a little premature.

In my opinion, the decision for the board is whether they give him time to prove his worth, now he has the players at his disposal, and risk losing further ground on the top six or do they hold him accountable for what seems to be their failings?!
I agree with the general sentiment but the biggest issue is we’ve all sat there and watched us play with a formation that clearly isn’t working and which Selles seems to be resistant to fixing. I will generally always give a manager the benefit of the doubt. Whatever you think of them, they’re usually in the job for good reason, have spent far more time studying the game than we ever will, and spend most days on the training pitch with the players. The players need to deliver on these plans too, and I can’t automatically assume they are doing exactly what they’re told. But we’re quickly reaching the territory where we’re watching games with no clue what Selles is thinking. I can see some elements of what he’s trying - the pressing for sure - and yet I watch us leave spaces all over the pitch time and time again and have no clue if Selles is even seeing the same thing because he’s seemingly making no attempt to fix things. Against Boro we created one chance through pressing, and the only other chance came after we started playing more progressively mostly because Hamer looked as thought he thought “f*ck it” and started playing quickly through the lines. But he was the only one doing it. I see no evidence of us playing in a way which opens up teams, nor any evidence of us tightening up gaps when we don’t have the ball. I want to give Selles time but I have no confidence in his plan right now. I have no clue what his plan even is.
 
Sack him now, get new manager in who then has 2 weeks to blend team during int'l break
There’s an international break in October it makes a lot more sense to do it then, and the new manager still has two weeks. There is also one in November prior to the Derby.
Ipswich, Oxford, Charlton, Southampton, Hull seem a good balance of games to judge if there are green shoots and then Watford, Blackburn, Preston and Derby to follow.
 
Another devils advocate post (I do think we need a change and don't think Selles can recover) BUT - the wingers aren't tracking back OR pressing, is that really the instruction from Selles?

Midfield isn't helping defence but most of the chances from other teams have been out wide not in the middle.

We have to get the press back to what it was against Bristol (RND) but also get midfield and wingers doing more to support the defence. I think the players are hesitant to go all out after Bristol and that can't be fixed easily but doesn't just lie at Selles.
 
Another devils advocate post (I do think we need a change and don't think Selles can recover) BUT - the wingers aren't tracking back OR pressing, is that really the instruction from Selles?

Midfield isn't helping defence but most of the chances from other teams have been out wide not in the middle.

We have to get the press back to what it was against Bristol (RND) but also get midfield and wingers doing more to support the defence. I think the players are hesitant to go all out after Bristol and that can't be fixed easily but doesn't just lie at Selles.
have to agree the 3 of hamer o'hare and peck certainly doesnt work but barry and brooks didnt give godfrey or burrows any protection that cannot carry on if hes going to persist with 433
 
I don't think the first XI is top six personally because that's the problem, that XI can't be fit into any workable formation.
It can, it's just Selles has chosen to play 433 but without a right winger, not selecting a more defensive mid in Soumare and then Barry is an inverted wingers, all of which means Campbell has no service and he's playing Hamer and O'Hate far too deep which has nullified both. I'd say 80% of our bad start is on Selles tactics. We're also ridiculously open and prone to the counter because likes to play everyone bar Cooper in the opposition half but we aren't pressing neither. Apart from that it's ok! 😂

With the new additions Selles, or hopefully someone else, can play with ur without wingers, and has multiple formations we could play with this squad. Personally I'd go for 4231. I'd have liked Wilders 352 but I'm less sure that will happen with latest winger signings but Ogbene can play up top too.
 
Players were fine doing it in pre-season, even at Fulham & in France. They’re gun shy after the Bristol game, we saw the same mental weakness all last season which would often see us camped in our own box for the last 20 mins of games waiting for the other team to score.
 
I'll give him a little help............dont play two wingers......the extra space should go to a defensive midfielder.

I would put Barry on the bench and ask Hamer to float to the outside left area when Burrows ventures forward.

Bring Barry on with 15 mins left and instruct to run at tired defenders and cause havoc..

And my preferred formation 3-5-2
 
It can, it's just Selles has chosen to play 433 but without a right winger, not selecting a more defensive mid in Soumare and then Barry is an inverted wingers, all of which means Campbell has no service and he's playing Hamer and O'Hate far too deep which has nullified both. I'd say 80% of our bad start is on Selles tactics. We're also ridiculously open and prone to the counter because likes to play everyone bar Cooper in the opposition half but we aren't pressing neither. Apart from that it's ok! 😂

With the new additions Selles, or hopefully someone else, can play with ur without wingers, and has multiple formations we could play with this squad. Personally I'd go for 4231. I'd have liked Wilders 352 but I'm less sure that will happen with latest winger signings but Ogbene can play up top too.
Soumare hasn't been in the first XI, that's my point :), he should be.
 

I want him gone now, I think he's out of his depth, if he's still here for Ipswich and we lose, then maybe the owners might sack him then, get a new manager in, where they might think Charlton nxt, give the new manager that game to start off with, with Oxford the week after, though we know what happened at Oxford last season
I just don't really understand these comments. Why is he out of his depth? Just because it's started badly? He's had 4 games with a substandard team (crucially missing CBs and DMs) - nobody was getting wins from those games realistically - even if Jesus Christ was the manager.

He took over rock bottom, terrible, Hull. Kept them up.
Managed a massively inexperienced Reading team in L1 into playoff positions.

He's worked at loads of clubs across Europe so has seen lots of methods and managers.

He talks intelligently about football.

Sometimes things take time. Sometimes there are other factors at play.

I get the warning signs etc, but I don't understand the impatience and the sweeping statements.

If Selles helped choose the new signings, it'd actually be pretty silly to then sack him quickly, because a new manager might not like these players.
 

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