Season ticket holders attending next Saturday's game or not?

[Sheffsteel]

season ticket holder, going to match, not had the vaccine, not wearing a mask but will take one with me.
If I’m in an enclosed space (toilets) and I notice that someome is nervous then out of respect I will temporarily put on a mask.

but I wouldn’t say I refuse to take a jab, just waiting for better justification based on personal experience.
I prefer not to take tablets, medicine, vaccines. I’d rather suffer and fight any infection naturally to build up my immune system.
Maybe this attitude has worked because I’ve never taken a tablet since school and although I’ve been run down, I’ve never been bedridden ill.
If I can’t naturally beat an illness/ infection then of course I would accept unnatural chemicals/ vaccines into my body.
Another factor is I don’t have any family or friends who have had bad experiences regards covid, apart from the previously sick and very elderly.

I’ve heard the politicians swap and change their statements from 1 week to the next, they are either incompetent or deliberately hoping to confuse
so can anyone blame me for not trusting a word they say. I feel corrective action being requested by the government is disproportionate to the threat.

 

[Whiston Blade]

season ticket holder, going to match, not had the vaccine, not wearing a mask but will take one with me.
If I’m in an enclosed space (toilets) and I notice that someome is nervous then out of respect I will temporarily put on a mask.

but I wouldn’t say I refuse to take a jab, just waiting for better justification based on personal experience.
I prefer not to take tablets, medicine, vaccines. I’d rather suffer and fight any infection naturally to build up my immune system.
Maybe this attitude has worked because I’ve never taken a tablet since school and although I’ve been run down, I’ve never been bedridden ill.
If I can’t naturally beat an illness/ infection then of course I would accept unnatural chemicals/ vaccines into my body.
Another factor is I don’t have any family or friends who have had bad experiences regards covid, apart from the previously sick and very elderly.

I’ve heard the politicians swap and change their statements from 1 week to the next, they are either incompetent or deliberately hoping to confuse
so can anyone blame me for not trusting a word they say. I feel corrective action being requested by the government is disproportionate to the threat.

Fair play, I wish I was like this tbh. I've had both jabs but before this at the first sign of a headache I'd pop the pills without question or the first sign of a cold/flu I'll be hammering the drinks/syrups. I think because I've done it for that long it's become an automatic thing I do.

 

[Ted Danson]

I'll be there, no jab, no masks, no worries about covid just plenty of pints and singing

 

[DIRTY HARRY]

season ticket holder, going to match, not had the vaccine, not wearing a mask but will take one with me.
If I’m in an enclosed space (toilets) and I notice that someome is nervous then out of respect I will temporarily put on a mask.

but I wouldn’t say I refuse to take a jab, just waiting for better justification based on personal experience.
I prefer not to take tablets, medicine, vaccines. I’d rather suffer and fight any infection naturally to build up my immune system.
Maybe this attitude has worked because I’ve never taken a tablet since school and although I’ve been run down, I’ve never been bedridden ill.
If I can’t naturally beat an illness/ infection then of course I would accept unnatural chemicals/ vaccines into my body.
Another factor is I don’t have any family or friends who have had bad experiences regards covid, apart from the previously sick and very elderly.

I’ve heard the politicians swap and change their statements from 1 week to the next, they are either incompetent or deliberately hoping to confuse
so can anyone blame me for not trusting a word they say. I feel corrective action being requested by the government is disproportionate to the threat.

Well put Sheff...my thoughts EXACTLY

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

season ticket holder, going to match, not had the vaccine, not wearing a mask but will take one with me.
If I’m in an enclosed space (toilets) and I notice that someome is nervous then out of respect I will temporarily put on a mask.

but I wouldn’t say I refuse to take a jab, just waiting for better justification based on personal experience.
I prefer not to take tablets, medicine, vaccines. I’d rather suffer and fight any infection naturally to build up my immune system.
Maybe this attitude has worked because I’ve never taken a tablet since school and although I’ve been run down, I’ve never been bedridden ill.
If I can’t naturally beat an illness/ infection then of course I would accept unnatural chemicals/ vaccines into my body.
Another factor is I don’t have any family or friends who have had bad experiences regards covid, apart from the previously sick and very elderly.

I’ve heard the politicians swap and change their statements from 1 week to the next, they are either incompetent or deliberately hoping to confuse
so can anyone blame me for not trusting a word they say. I feel corrective action being requested by the government is disproportionate to the threat.

My own general approach to taking medication though I did have the jab on the basis of it being the lesser of 2 evils.

 

[mickjones]

Im 73 double jabbed will wear mask in 'madhouse' concourse but not in my seat
will aim to be early as walking through concourse is a nightmare at best of times

 

[Sheffsteel]

My own general approach to taking medication though I did have the jab on the basis of it being the lesser of 2 evils.

I’m potentially the same.
If not taking a vaccine means no match, no foreign travel, no pub/ restaurant then I won’t be happy (feel very strongly about a nanny state forcing anyone to take vaccines when the risk is so small) but I would probably take it. I’m certainly not an anti vax but I’m waiting to see the fine detail of how it effects my day to day life.

Still think a vaccine passport is just a threat and won’t be implemented regards mainstream life.
I would even be willing to sign a legal indemnity stating if I require treatment related to covid then I’m willing to pay the NHS the first £500.
Life is full of small risks and I accept them, people don’t panic driving a car…when you consider road deaths are so high. It’s all about perspective.

 

[SUFC Guy]

I likey this poll. At last one that is interesting.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

I’m potentially the same.
If not taking a vaccine means no match, no foreign travel, no pub/ restaurant then I won’t be happy (feel very strongly about a nanny state forcing anyone to take vaccines when the risk is so small) but I would probably take it. I’m certainly not an anti vax but I’m waiting to see the fine detail of how it effects my day to day life.

Still think a vaccine passport is just a threat and won’t be implemented regards mainstream life.
I would even be willing to sign a legal indemnity stating if I require treatment related to covid then I’m willing to pay the NHS the first £500.
Life is full of small risks and I accept them, people don’t panic driving a car…when you consider road deaths are so high. It’s all about perspective.

I hope you are right about the passport. I just got my NHS letter just in case. I have concerns about the passport being used as leverage to pursuade those who don't want it to get it. The woman in my life is very anti vax and I would hate to see her freedoms restricted due to this.

 

[raul]

I will definitely wear a mask on the trains down and back but not at the game, just as I did for Donny in midweek.

Be nice if you are going to do so all season...

 

[SwissBlade]

Season ticket holders attending next Saturday's game or not?

Theres an option missing:

I am a season ticket holder, i'm going to the match, Vaccine status undisclosed

 

[Silent Blade]

Theres an option missing:

I am a season ticket holder, i'm going to the match, Vaccine status undisclosed

Well the poll doesnt show the names of the people that voted

 

[Greenwich Blade]

I will be there, with both my jabs clasped to my bosom.

Talking of bosoms, WARNING: I have put on a fuck-load of weight due to one thing and another and more besides, thus i) it will be more tightly packed around me than usual (so wear a mask), and ii) I've said it now so no need to stare and/or say, "Fuck me, that fat bastard has put on some timber since the Norwich match" when I nip for a piss.

Meanwhile, I can bore you all senseless in the pub with why - and yes, some of it is that I ate a load of shit during Lockdown - including how I completely fucked my knee for a second time only six months after the infamous motorway sliproad tumble, meaning, as my dear old dad would have said, "Yer hobblin' around like an old man!"

 

[Panini]

I’m potentially the same.
If not taking a vaccine means no match, no foreign travel, no pub/ restaurant then I won’t be happy (feel very strongly about a nanny state forcing anyone to take vaccines when the risk is so small) but I would probably take it. I’m certainly not an anti vax but I’m waiting to see the fine detail of how it effects my day to day life.

Still think a vaccine passport is just a threat and won’t be implemented regards mainstream life.
I would even be willing to sign a legal indemnity stating if I require treatment related to covid then I’m willing to pay the NHS the first £500.
Life is full of small risks and I accept them, people don’t panic driving a car…when you consider road deaths are so high. It’s all about perspective.

Lots of interesting views on this thread, and quite enlightening to read ahead of Saturday's game, which I imagine is the first time back in a large crowd for most of us there.

I think it's human instinct to think in black and white terms, and create equivalents and metaphors. Unfortunately dealing with covid is like using swiss cheese to plug and leaking pipe. One slice is vaccines, which doesn't quite stop the leak and still lets a bit through. Masks are another slice, social distancing another. Eventually the protection is layered up and the leak stops. But this thinking doesn't get enough subscription, and I've encountered many folk who have done, and continue to do, absolutely nothing because so no single solution is perfect.

What we, as a population, are currently dealing with doesn't have many precedents. There are risks in everyday life, you're absolutely right, but there are hundreds of small mitigations to protect you and others from those risks.

Driving a car requires a license, you wear a seatbelt, you're not allowed to do it after drinking, and there are airbags and crumple zones to protect everyone as much as possible should the worst happen. Perhaps an obvious extra point to make is that car crashes aren't contagious, nor do they become more contagious the more they happen.

I've had both jabs, worn a mask on public transport and in shops etc from the point it became appropriate and I'll continue to do that. I test regularly for work. It's zero inconvenience to me. A debate about the effectiveness of masks and which types to wear belongs elsewhere, but if it gives anyone around me a small reassurance it's worth it.

To some that makes me a compliant sheep, but to me it's just about doing my bit. That's not a comment towards anyone else, it's just what sits right with me. Since last March it's seemed quite clear that if look after those around me I'll be looking after myself by default.

Those who only look after themselves or say that anyone concerned about health should stay away, while this is their right to decide and go about their business as they like, creates an uncomfortable contradiction.

IMO anyone who has had the opportunity to be vaccinated and has decided against it, with no medical reason to do so, are not the ones whose rights and freedoms are at stake. A good proportion of people are unable to be vaccinated and these are the ones whose participation in normal life is what "living with covid" actually looks like.

I've had too many and the landlord says he isn't serving me any more, that's not a restriction of my freedoms. If I want to drive a car but won't sit a test or take lessons, being denied a license isn't a restriction of my freedoms.

No covid certificate will ever be required to access healthcare, public transport or any other fundamental service. These are what rights ultimately are. I hope those fearful or dubious of the vaccination are reassured at some point in the future when they are ready. I didn't need a small pox jab, because both my parents and their generation did, and it worked.

Anyway this wasn't especially in reply to you SteelBlade, more that your perspective helped my own opinion form.

Saturday feels weird in my mind. So many different circumstances, different approaches and different opinions but for 90 minutes we're together, sharing a space and hopefully a positive experience. I'm sure it'll be a bit emotional to be back, particularly as many who were there v Norwich have sadly left us since then.

All the best, respect and UTB to all

 

[metalblade]

To start with I was very anti vaccine as it was untried, but when multi million people have had jabs with hardly any ill effects I think it is safe to say it is safe. I can't understand why people are still anti vaccine, I've got a niece who swears she will not have a jab even though she knows her uncle was admitted and had to be on oxygen for a few days because he caught Covid, and that bloke is as fit as a butchers dog, works outside on the roads and does weights and stuff. You never really know how bad it will effect you if you catch it for some it is mild for others ....................................

 

[Woodys Thunderbolt]

Posted this in another thread but thought I'd post again.

It's all really straight forward, just get vaccinated.
There are only 3 reasons not to
1) You have a valid medical reason.
2) You are a massive wuss who is scared of needles.
3) You are a massive Tw&t

 

[SwissBlade]

Lots of interesting views on this thread, and quite enlightening to read ahead of Saturday's game, which I imagine is the first time back in a large crowd for most of us there.

I think it's human instinct to think in black and white terms, and create equivalents and metaphors. Unfortunately dealing with covid is like using swiss cheese to plug and leaking pipe. One slice is vaccines, which doesn't quite stop the leak and still lets a bit through. Masks are another slice, social distancing another. Eventually the protection is layered up and the leak stops. But this thinking doesn't get enough subscription, and I've encountered many folk who have done, and continue to do, absolutely nothing because so no single solution is perfect.

What we, as a population, are currently dealing with doesn't have many precedents. There are risks in everyday life, you're absolutely right, but there are hundreds of small mitigations to protect you and others from those risks.

Driving a car requires a license, you wear a seatbelt, you're not allowed to do it after drinking, and there are airbags and crumple zones to protect everyone as much as possible should the worst happen. Perhaps an obvious extra point to make is that car crashes aren't contagious, nor do they become more contagious the more they happen.

I've had both jabs, worn a mask on public transport and in shops etc from the point it became appropriate and I'll continue to do that. I test regularly for work. It's zero inconvenience to me. A debate about the effectiveness of masks and which types to wear belongs elsewhere, but if it gives anyone around me a small reassurance it's worth it.

To some that makes me a compliant sheep, but to me it's just about doing my bit. That's not a comment towards anyone else, it's just what sits right with me. Since last March it's seemed quite clear that if look after those around me I'll be looking after myself by default.

Those who only look after themselves or say that anyone concerned about health should stay away, while this is their right to decide and go about their business as they like, creates an uncomfortable contradiction.

IMO anyone who has had the opportunity to be vaccinated and has decided against it, with no medical reason to do so, are not the ones whose rights and freedoms are at stake. A good proportion of people are unable to be vaccinated and these are the ones whose participation in normal life is what "living with covid" actually looks like.

I've had too many and the landlord says he isn't serving me any more, that's not a restriction of my freedoms. If I want to drive a car but won't sit a test or take lessons, being denied a license isn't a restriction of my freedoms.

No covid certificate will ever be required to access healthcare, public transport or any other fundamental service. These are what rights ultimately are. I hope those fearful or dubious of the vaccination are reassured at some point in the future when they are ready. I didn't need a small pox jab, because both my parents and their generation did, and it worked.

Anyway this wasn't especially in reply to you SteelBlade, more that your perspective helped my own opinion form.

Saturday feels weird in my mind. So many different circumstances, different approaches and different opinions but for 90 minutes we're together, sharing a space and hopefully a positive experience. I'm sure it'll be a bit emotional to be back, particularly as many who were there v Norwich have sadly left us since then.

All the best, respect and UTB to all

Cheers for your point of view, i've seen similar and in general I have no issue with your reasoning.

What i will say though is that nobody should be required to disclose their vaccine status to conduct their normal business. For me, thats a huge issue and it smacks of government control, which it is. The Govt want people to be vaccinated so they have used the vaccine status as a carrot... otherwise your life will be pretty shit, like its been for the last 18 months.

We were promised freedom day being irreversible, but thats not the case, we've backtracked and the govt have followed this new path in fear, rather than with confidence. Because they're afraid of being the govt that took bold decisions based on the data.

I watched the news last night, for the first time in a while and apparently Uber and Deliveroo are offering discounts to young people who've had the vaccine. The news showed graphics of the vaccine uptakes in the various age groups, but it didn't quantify this with the risk of getting the virus in those age groups.

I fully respect anyone that takes the vaccine, chooses not to take the vaccine, doesn't disclose their vaccine status or even shows their vaccine passport. You'd hope that everyone takes their decision fully aware of the facts from trusted sources.

We all know that 50% of positive covid cases over the last 18 months were found in hospitals after admission for other reasons, we're fully aware that the vaccine whilst reducing the chance of hospitalisations, doesn't protect you from getting the virus or passing the virus on. We are informed of the high risk groups, even with a vaccine they are still vulnerable and similarly we are aware that persons under certain age groups are less likely to be affected by the virus even without a vaccine.

I will be at games until such time that we're required to wear masks or disclose a vaccine status, it would be a step too far for me. We're either safe to go to games or we're not. Its that simple really.

People should have their freedom of choice and they should be respected for that choice.

 

[Panini]

Cheers for your point of view, i've seen similar and in general I have no issue with your reasoning.

What i will say though is that nobody should be required to disclose their vaccine status to conduct their normal business. For me, thats a huge issue and it smacks of government control, which it is. The Govt want people to be vaccinated so they have used the vaccine status as a carrot... otherwise your life will be pretty shit, like its been for the last 18 months.

We were promised freedom day being irreversible, but thats not the case, we've backtracked and the govt have followed this new path in fear, rather than with confidence. Because they're afraid of being the govt that took bold decisions based on the data.

I watched the news last night, for the first time in a while and apparently Uber and Deliveroo are offering discounts to young people who've had the vaccine. The news showed graphics of the vaccine uptakes in the various age groups, but it didn't quantify this with the risk of getting the virus in those age groups.

I fully respect anyone that takes the vaccine, chooses not to take the vaccine, doesn't disclose their vaccine status or even shows their vaccine passport. You'd hope that everyone takes their decision fully aware of the facts from trusted sources.

We all know that 50% of positive covid cases over the last 18 months were found in hospitals after admission for other reasons, we're fully aware that the vaccine whilst reducing the chance of hospitalisations, doesn't protect you from getting the virus or passing the virus on. We are informed of the high risk groups, even with a vaccine they are still vulnerable and similarly we are aware that persons under certain age groups are less likely to be affected by the virus even without a vaccine.

I will be at games until such time that we're required to wear masks or disclose a vaccine status, it would be a step too far for me. We're either safe to go to games or we're not. Its that simple really.

People should have their freedom of choice and they should be respected for that choice.

Thanks Swiss, and I appreciate your comments in response.

Yeah I've seen the Uber and Deliveroo story. It's not surprising and really it's nothing new. Young people have been incentivised to participate in things they aren't enthusiastic about many times in the past. While this incentive seems irrelevant, my experience is that vax hesitancy in under 25s isn't so much down to concerns about the vaccine, but more about "being told what to do". It's not news to any of us that everyone has a price, so an incentive is what it takes. I'm not far out of that group and my incentive was covid immunity but I respect that not everyone sees it, or wants to see it, that way.

Disclosing personal information, whether medical or otherwise, is nothing new either. Providing immigration status or CRB status are both required in situations it could be argued they're not relevant. It's not that different to lots of things we consider normal.

For an individual under 25 to weigh up risk of being personally affected by covid vs the associated risks of vaccination, an argument can be made that it's "not worth it". I get that. What's undeniable is the power of making decisions, and educating each other, as a collective. More cases in any age group means more opportunities for variants to develop. While not perfect (re my original post) vaccines reduce the risk of getting it from an infected individual and also reduce the risk of passing it on.

I can't bring the government into this without it becoming a very different conversation so I'll say I understand and agree with the issues you've highlighted and leave it there. The how/why/when/who isn't for this thread.

You're absolutely right about personal choice, and the protection that choice deserves. This means ultimately we're dealing with the principle of it all, rather than the specifics. Well, the principle must surely apply in both directions. That means a business owner, doesn't matter if it's the Crown & Anchor or SUFC, can decide to make covid certification a requirement for entry. That would reassure some of their customers and alienate others, but they already know that. If you're not able to be vaccinated and can confidentially prove it, you'll be exempted. None of this will ever be needed for the fundamental parts of life anyone is entitled to...healthcare etc as mentioned before.

What's key to consider is that the ONLY reason covid certification won't be needed on Saturday is that it hasn't been possible for all age groups to be offered 2 vaccines yet, as there hasn't been enough time. Nothing to do with safety. It might well be safe, but that's not the reasoning. Likewise if the proposed covid certificates come in next month, it's because a line can be drawn and vaccination will then be incentivised, which goes back to the points above.

 

[SwissBlade]

Thanks Swiss, and I appreciate your comments in response.

Yeah I've seen the Uber and Deliveroo story. It's not surprising and really it's nothing new. Young people have been incentivised to participate in things they aren't enthusiastic about many times in the past. While this incentive seems irrelevant, my experience is that vax hesitancy in under 25s isn't so much down to concerns about the vaccine, but more about "being told what to do". It's not news to any of us that everyone has a price, so an incentive is what it takes. I'm not far out of that group and my incentive was covid immunity but I respect that not everyone sees it, or wants to see it, that way.

Disclosing personal information, whether medical or otherwise, is nothing new either. Providing immigration status or CRB status are both required in situations it could be argued they're not relevant. It's not that different to lots of things we consider normal.

For an individual under 25 to weigh up risk of being personally affected by covid vs the associated risks of vaccination, an argument can be made that it's "not worth it". I get that. What's undeniable is the power of making decisions, and educating each other, as a collective. More cases in any age group means more opportunities for variants to develop. While not perfect (re my original post) vaccines reduce the risk of getting it from an infected individual and also reduce the risk of passing it on.

I can't bring the government into this without it becoming a very different conversation so I'll say I understand and agree with the issues you've highlighted and leave it there. The how/why/when/who isn't for this thread.

You're absolutely right about personal choice, and the protection that choice deserves. This means ultimately we're dealing with the principle of it all, rather than the specifics. Well, the principle must surely apply in both directions. That means a business owner, doesn't matter if it's the Crown & Anchor or SUFC, can decide to make covid certification a requirement for entry. That would reassure some of their customers and alienate others, but they already know that. If you're not able to be vaccinated and can confidentially prove it, you'll be exempted. None of this will ever be needed for the fundamental parts of life anyone is entitled to...healthcare etc as mentioned before.

What's key to consider is that the ONLY reason covid certification won't be needed on Saturday is that it hasn't been possible for all age groups to be offered 2 vaccines yet, as there hasn't been enough time. Nothing to do with safety. It might well be safe, but that's not the reasoning. Likewise if the proposed covid certificates come in next month, it's because a line can be drawn and vaccination will then be incentivised, which goes back to the points above.

I'm 43, generally healthy and normally with a decent immunity, so I was fairly adamant that i wasn't having a vaccine, a few people i know of a similar age were of the same opinion. It wasn't so much about being told what to do, but making a judgement of how my immune response was likely to be to the virus, based on data. The conclusion was that i didn't think i needed the vaccine to fight off the virus as the chances of becoming ill were extremely low.

I then looked at work, the restrictions in travel and given that it would be a 12 week turn around cycle to be able to travel and work, it could've restricted me massively.

The UK uptake of the vaccine has been huge, the older and vulnerable realised the risk was much higher for them and of course most people realise that other countries or travel companies will require vaccines to travel.

Contrast this with places like Australia and Cyprus, where there has been a slow response to the vaccines, there isn't the desire to travel to a sunnier country and my mate in australia said the other day that he also didn't feel like Australia has been in lockdown the same as Europe as they've been open and back to work for a long time. They haven't felt the impact the same there. The authorities haven't needed to spread fear amongst the population but now they're pushing the vaccine without the same carrot.

As you say, the Vaccine Passport won't be required straight away because not everyone has had chance to be double jabbed, so bringing it in as a requirement in October will make it even more daft.

There is a strange logic to some of these measures, its been the same since March last year, globally. I think that this is what makes many people sceptical of being forced into doing something which is supposed to protect you and others, but the entire basis is flawed.

 

[Ted Danson]

To start with I was very anti vaccine as it was untried, but when multi million people have had jabs with hardly any ill effects I think it is safe to say it is safe. I can't understand why people are still anti vaccine, I've got a niece who swears she will not have a jab even though she knows her uncle was admitted and had to be on oxygen for a few days because he caught Covid, and that bloke is as fit as a butchers dog, works outside on the roads and does weights and stuff. You never really know how bad it will effect you if you catch it for some it is mild for others ....................................

If multi-million people had taken up smoking over the past 18 months there wouldn't be any adverse effects showing so would you say that smoking is safe too?

 

[metalblade]

If multi-million people had taken up smoking over the past 18 months there wouldn't be any adverse effects showing so would you say that smoking is safe too?

You've won a prize ............................. post of the week

 

[Argentinemanager]

I may have missed something as ive not really been anywhere recently, but apart from my season ticket do i need anything else to get in the ground, like covid passport or the little card when you get jabbed or proof of a negative test, im amazed the club havent put a notice out about what is required, and will we have to arrive earlier. Would like some feedback if anyone knows

 

[Greenwich Blade]

I may have missed something as ive not really been anywhere recently, but apart from my season ticket do i need anything else to get in the ground, like covid passport or the little card when you get jabbed or proof of a negative test, im amazed the club havent put a notice out about what is required, and will we have to arrive earlier. Would like some feedback if anyone knows

I was thinking the same actually.

 

[Silent Blade]

I may have missed something as ive not really been anywhere recently, but apart from my season ticket do i need anything else to get in the ground, like covid passport or the little card when you get jabbed or proof of a negative test, im amazed the club havent put a notice out about what is required, and will we have to arrive earlier. Would like some feedback if anyone knows

I was thinking the same actually.

Think the plans for COVID passport are for matches from October

 

[bornandbred]

The poll result tells me most forum posters are old gits, not young stud muffins like me.

Are you calling me an old git?

 

[Eyeball]

I was thinking the same actually.

No restrictions ,down to your discretion
Asked in Tkt office this afternoon

 

[Argentinemanager]

No restrictions ,down to your discretion
Asked in Tkt office this afternoon

Thanks

 

[BrianBadonde]

Shove your masks where the sun don’t shine

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Are you calling me an old git?

79.1% old git

 

[Argentinemanager]

Shove your masks where the sun don’t shine

Give respect to those who want / need to wear them,