Saturdays game

[davidpinder]

Ok so we have our first win in 8 games and are off to Bristol saturday for a tricky away day at the best of times. However we have been given excuses over the last 6 or 7 games in fact no all 8 where we have failed to get good result. The excuses have been injuries so saturday we apparently welcome back 3 more players and may have lost 2, 1 of which is reid who is hardly first team. So i ask what could be saturdays excuse for a poor performance if thats what happens? Players haven't played together before? Montys first game back , he got tired? I think Mr Blackwell has ran out of excuses and saturday is the day we should produce a good performance and beat an average side. If we don't, then i don't think anyone can keep sticking up for blackwell anymore and will have to start agreeing that a change is needed.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Average side ?

They have, I think, the 3rd or 4th best home record in the division and are unbeaten this season. They've been excellent at their place since they came up and add to that a less than impressive record for us down there and I for one will be happy with a hard fought point on Saturday.

This is obviously another one of your 'anti Blackwell' posts but how about thinking about the possibility of us improving with players returning rather than wondering what the manager will say if we perform poorly ?

 

[davidpinder]

Yes an average side sat 10th in the division if bad teams like the pigs and peterborough can get a point in recent weeks, then we should be looking for all 3. I hope we do win, i always hope we win but every week all i here is excuses from blackwell. Yes this is an "anti blackwell" post because i want him OUT. I am used to your "i love blackwell" responses now, Happy with a point saturday sorry i'm a supporter with ambition nothing less than 3 points will do. We are back to full strength now, so lets see what the side that blackwell built can do.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Yes an average side sat 10th in the division if bad teams like the pigs and peterborough can get a point in recent weeks, then we should be looking for all 3. I hope we do win, i always hope we win but every week all i here is excuses from blackwell. Yes this is an "anti blackwell" post because i want him OUT. I am used to your "i love blackwell" responses now, Happy with a point saturday sorry i'm a supporter with ambition nothing less than 3 points will do. We are back to full strength now, so lets see what the side that blackwell built can do.

"I love Blackwell" posts ?

Back to full strength

 

[SwissBlade]

IF we don't get a result, then perhaps the excuse will be that Bristol is a tricky away day at the best of times... Funnily enough this was the first line of your post.

I touched on it a few times over the last few weeks, but I don't tend to pay much attention to a lot of Blackwell's excuses. I do think that he'd have got more credit in the past 8 games if he'd just said "we were crap today". He tries to justify too much.

He may have run out of poor excuses, but that doesn't mean that I won't stick up for him, if I don't think he's capable then my opinion will change, but as it stands I still think he's the man to do the job.

This leads onto my expectations, whilst I think the corner is being turned (slowly), I don't now expect us to suddenly turn into world beaters and hammer Brizzle. I can see us being fortunate to come away with a draw.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

IF we don't get a result, then perhaps the excuse will be that Bristol is a tricky away day at the best of times... Funnily enough this was the first line of your post.

I touched on it a few times over the last few weeks, but I don't tend to pay much attention to a lot of Blackwell's excuses. I do think that he'd have got more credit in the past 8 games if he'd just said "we were crap today". He tries to justify too much.

He may have run out of poor excuses, but that doesn't mean that I won't stick up for him, if I don't think he's capable then my opinion will change, but as it stands I still think he's the man to do the job.

This leads onto my expectations, whilst I think the corner is being turned (slowly), I don't now expect us to suddenly turn into world beaters and hammer Brizzle. I can see us being fortunate to come away with a draw.

Yep, I think Blackwell's target will be to get to the end of the year on some kind of unbeaten run and then treating January onwards as a new season. It may be too late then, it may be too late for him by then but I think if anyone thinks we will suddenly click with players back in the next few weeks they will be disappointed. Unfortunately, this will fuel the fire for those who want him out at all costs.

If, of course, we don't show any signs of improvement with players back, he will have nowhere to go (as I've said before FAO Mr Pinder )

 

[davidpinder]

"I love Blackwell" posts ?

Back to full strength

Who we missing then?? do you think the side we put out isn't good enough to win?

 

[davidpinder]

IF we don't get a result, then perhaps the excuse will be that Bristol is a tricky away day at the best of times... Funnily enough this was the first line of your post.

I touched on it a few times over the last few weeks, but I don't tend to pay much attention to a lot of Blackwell's excuses. I do think that he'd have got more credit in the past 8 games if he'd just said "we were crap today". He tries to justify too much.

He may have run out of poor excuses, but that doesn't mean that I won't stick up for him, if I don't think he's capable then my opinion will change, but as it stands I still think he's the man to do the job.

This leads onto my expectations, whilst I think the corner is being turned (slowly), I don't now expect us to suddenly turn into world beaters and hammer Brizzle. I can see us being fortunate to come away with a draw.

Yes tricky but a place we should be looking for a win. Next you'll be telling me your happy with mid table this season.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Who we missing then?? do you think the side we put out isn't good enough to win?

Two different questions there.

It's not just about who's missing it's also about having better options on the bench to change things, havign a full squad to train with. Can't be bothered re-hashing the has he / hasn't he got injuries debate for the 43rd time.

 

[davidpinder]

Two different questions there.

It's not just about who's missing it's also about having better options on the bench to change things, havign a full squad to train with. Can't be bothered re-hashing the has he / hasn't he got injuries debate for the 43rd time.

not asking for that all i am saying is saturday we should be able to field 95% of a full squad that blackwell has built for the first time. The squad he got to get us up.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Yes tricky but a place we should be looking for a win. Next you'll be telling me your happy with mid table this season.

A team looking at promotion would be looking to win there but we're quite clearly not in that position at the moment. Happy with mid table, course not but that's doesn't mean to say we can't look at Saturday's game realisitcally.

 

[Ollessendro]

They have, I think, the 3rd or 4th best home record in the division and are unbeaten this season. They've been excellent at their place since they came up and add to that a less than impressive record for us down there

IF we don't get a result, then perhaps the excuse will be that Bristol is a tricky away day at the best of times.

There are a few excuses for Blackwell to use after Saturdays inevitable defeat. Swiss/Jim, why don't you e-mail them to the club in advance so he can use them after his post match conference?

This is unbelievable!? I know that some of the more positve people are getting pissed off with the so called 'knockers' harping on about Blackwell out, but making excuses for Blackwell already is ridiculous. Blackwell (and Ellis) have come out during the international break saying that injuries are no longer an excuse and yet here you both are making excuses for if we get beat. Pathetic!

 

[SwissBlade]

Yes tricky but a place we should be looking for a win. Next you'll be telling me your happy with mid table this season.

Yes we SHOULD be looking for a win and we should play for a win. We should every game. But reality of our current form means that its more important not to lose and like Jim says get an unbeaten run going. Isn't it?

Of course I'm not happy with the current league position, I'm not happy with the way we play, I'm not happy with the injuries, lets just say I'm not happy with a lot of things at the club.

I've said a number of times my preseason prediction was 6th at best. I still think we can make that with the current regime, but with all the outgoings we need to bring players in to replenish the squad. But thats another issue. I might start a thread on that.

Fortunately the season is 46 games and doesn't end in December 2009.

 

[Wards]

Dressing up Bristol to be anything more than an 'average' team is pretty embarassing. They're 10th for a reason.

 

[Ollessendro]

Dressing up Bristol to be anything more than an 'average' team is pretty embarassing. They're 10th for a reason.

Oh how dare you Wards!? They are good at home you know!!?? And to expect us, so called promotion contenders to get a result is expecting too much!? I mean with 9potentially) Kyle Walker (England U21 and Spurs player), Kilgallon (off to the prem in Jan), Naysmith (proven permiership player), Morgan (solid, established player), James Harper (proven premiership class), Henri Camera (proven premiership palyer and Senegal international), Ched Evans (1.5 million Welsh international) and Henderson (£2 million) in the team why should we expect anything more than a draw.

I for one will be clapping until my hands bleed on Saturday even if we get stuffed

 

[judge]

Oh how dare you Wards!? They are good at home you know!!?? And to expect us, so called promotion contenders to get a result is expecting too much!? I mean with 9potentially) Kyle Walker (England U21 and Spurs player), Kilgallon (off to the prem in Jan), Naysmith (proven permiership player), Morgan (solid, established player), James Harper (proven premiership class), Henri Camera (proven premiership palyer and Senegal international), Ched Evans (1.5 million Welsh international) and Henderson (£2 million) in the team why should we expect anything more than a draw.

I for one will be clapping until my hands bleed on Saturday even if we get stuffed

well done on the not posting about blackwell anymore olly

 

[SwissBlade]

Ollesendro. Read the posts. Look at what the thread is about and we responded. Can you show me where we have made excuses for this "inevitable defeat"? Both myself and Jim said we reckon on a draw not a defeat (Read the posts).

We've also picked up on points from David's post and had a discussion. Read the posts. I actually said I don't like Blackies excuses (read the posts) and didn't make an excuse for him.

I think I should consider a sabatical from this forum.

Edit: Ollesandro - Henderson was also a Proven premiership player from his time at Watford.

 

[SwissBlade]

Double Post

Sorry double post - can someone delete

 

[Ollessendro]

well done on the not posting about blackwell anymore olly

There has been absolutely no metion of Blackwell out in my posts!

Ollesendro. Read the posts. Look at what the thread is about and we responded. Can you show me where we have made excuses for this "inevitable defeat"? Both myself and Jim said we reckon on a draw not a defeat (Read the posts).

We've also picked up on points from David's post and had a discussion. Read the posts. I actually said I don't like Blackies excuses (read the posts) and didn't make an excuse for him.

I think I should consider a sabatical from this forum.

Edit: Ollesandro - Henderson was also a Proven premiership player from his time at Watford.

So you want me to read the posts Swiss? I read the posts and they made me feel sick. Your first line of your 1st post is an excuse: 'If we lose it ill be a tricky away day'. The simple fact is that we should be beating teams like Bristol.

As for the part in Italics; put your dummy back in. I haven't insulted you. I just questioned your undying loyalty to Blackwell. Jim hasn't thrown a tantrum and threatened to leave the forum.

Oh and are you talking about Henderson 1 year in the Premiership where he scored 3 goals?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

There are a few excuses for Blackwell to use after Saturdays inevitable defeat. Swiss/Jim, why don't you e-mail them to the club in advance so he can use them after his post match conference?

This is unbelievable!? I know that some of the more positve people are getting pissed off with the so called 'knockers' harping on about Blackwell out, but making excuses for Blackwell already is ridiculous. Blackwell (and Ellis) have come out during the international break saying that injuries are no longer an excuse and yet here you both are making excuses for if we get beat. Pathetic!

Not making excuses, just saying Saturday will be a tough game.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Dressing up Bristol to be anything more than an 'average' team is pretty embarassing. They're 10th for a reason.

And we're 14th for a reason.

 

[Ollessendro]

Are you coming on Saturday Swiss? We can meet up for a beer and talk about out favourite Kevin ..... as long as you promise not to punch me in the face!?

 

[Come from away]

Maybe bring a pair of boxing gloves, might beat the entertainment on the field - for some at least, then they can complain about your weak right cross instead of Treacy's. Hope for a win but will take the draw for now, just need to stop the rot.

 

[davidpinder]

And we're 14th for a reason.

Exactly a position that needs to be improved upon starting with nothing less than 3 points saturday.

 

[SwissBlade]

Are you coming on Saturday Swiss? We can meet up for a beer and talk about out favourite Kevin ..... as long as you promise not to punch me in the face!?

No I won't be there Sat, don't get back every week, the joys of an expat. But i'll have a beer with you when I get back, your round and I get first bagsy on the Lion Juke box.

Sorry that you felt ill reading my posts, a better response than planned

Insulted? Not at all, just fed up that its fine to post about Blackwell out, but not so for supporting him. Personally I'm tired of trying to have a sensible discussion about my/ Our team on here, only to be put down because i'm not a believer.

The first line of my first post was an excuse, but it was David Pinders excuse. Not mine, I can't take the credit on that one.

Yep the simple fact is right, we SHOULD be beating teams like Bristol, but given the current form we're in, then I can see it being a tough game. Hence the caution of a draw.

And yeah, Hendo is a proven PL goal scorer isn't he? Perhaps you should clarify your proven PL player comment. Or would that defeat the point of your arguement? My opinion is that we have a number of players that have been or soon will be playing in the PL. But right now they're not in the PL proving themselves, they're playing for a team in the bottom half of the div below. Go through the leagues, they're full of has beens and wannabes. It doesn't guarantee that you can beat Bristol easily. How many proven PL players have Leicester and Blackpool got?

 

[Fiery Blade]

I have had enough of Blackwells excuses - To me he is extremely fortunate to be in a job after the season we have had to date!
I don't want to hear excuses I want to hear an honest appraisal of the team and how they played.
The squad is Blackwells, the tactics are Blackwells, the selection is Blackwells, the team talk is Blackwells
So if they play poorly it's down to Blackwell just as if they play superbly it will be down to Blackwell.
As they say Commeth the Hour - Commeth the Man
Prove yourself Mr Blackwell

 

[Ollessendro]

Insulted? Not at all, just fed up that its fine to post about Blackwell out, but not so for supporting him. Personally I'm tired of trying to have a sensible discussion about my/ Our team on here, only to be put down because i'm not a believer.

Come one stop feeling sorry for yourself. Your opinion is valued on here. Micalijo takes just as much stick for offering a completley different opinion to yourself. As do Fiery and Dunc who both offer completely different opinions. It's a forum and it's a debate. You shouldn't take things personally.

 

[Ollessendro]

Yep the simple fact is right, we SHOULD be beating teams like Bristol, but given the current form we're in, then I can see it being a tough game. Hence the caution of a draw.

The first part of your sentance sums it up to me. Full stop.

We have suppoedly stopped the rot, the players are no longer injured, so why should we not expect a win? They are poor, we are not (well we are, but shouldn't be with the players we have).

 

[Revolution]

Last season's draw was the first time in ages United hadn't lost at Ashton Gate whilst giving a shocking performance. We haven't won there in donkey's years, although we haven't played them much recently.

And I don't think our re-profiled, sorry, gutted, squad is anything more than a mid table one.

 

[Ollessendro]

And yeah, Hendo is a proven PL goal scorer isn't he? Perhaps you should clarify your proven PL player comment. Or would that defeat the point of your arguement? My opinion is that we have a number of players that have been or soon will be playing in the PL. But right now they're not in the PL proving themselves, they're playing for a team in the bottom half of the div below. Go through the leagues, they're full of has beens and wannabes. It doesn't guarantee that you can beat Bristol easily. How many proven PL players have Leicester and Blackpool got?

Yes, as I said Henderson scored 3 goals (in 27 games) in the Premiership. And actually Henderson being a 'proven' premiership would bolster my argument (now it is you who is not reading the posts!?). Blcakpool and Leicester both have 1 or 2 proven premiserhsip players. What's your point? My point was that we ahve a good team. A very good team and good squad. Hence I expect to beat average teams such as Bristol. And you empthasised that it your last post that we 'should' be beating Bristol. Then typically you followed it up with an excuse (or maybe someone else excuse) for reasons why we might not