Sander berge

[Champagneblade]

Know i`ll get pelted but hey ho

The player i hoped and thought Sander would be for us is very similar to Declan Rice

Watched him quite a lot this season and of course in the Euros - tall , physical , glides , great passer , good runner with the ball , up and down box to box.

Al least Sander is tall

Not only that, his surname also sounds like food. That's two things to start with!

 

[Silent Blade]

But you could still be a judge or food critic on master chef - they cant cook but know what a good steak and ale pie should taste like

If I eat the food on Master Chef, my taste buds will be the judge

 

[Bell4]

If I eat the food on Master Chef, my taste buds will be the judge

grasshopper

 

[Zipwire]

You are right that my opinion on players, tactics, selections are always rubbish because I am not good enough to be a professional footballer

Jose Mourinho wasn't good enough to be a professional football, so by your reasoning, was his opinions on players, tactics and selections always rubbish as well?

 

[Bell4]

Not only that, his surname also sounds like food. That's two things to start with!

Does when i spell it - Berger

 

[Silent Blade]

Jose Mourinho wasn't good enough to be a professional football, so by your reasoning, was his opinions on players, tactics and selections always rubbish as well?

He got coaching badges and went through a long apprenticeship under Bobby Robson and Van Gaal. How many know it alls in here did the same?

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Not only that, his surname also sounds like food. That's two things to start with!

We can always change a vowel and call him Barge,cos he turns like one.

 

[Bell4]

He got coaching badges and went through a long apprenticeship under Bobby Robson and Van Gaal. How many know it alls in here did the same?

well actually.......

I met Ken Furphy once , stood next to Keith Edwards at a bar , Micky Speight signed an autograph and asked if i was going to pin it on the sh.. house wall, Mick Doyle spat at me at half time when he walked down the tunnel at half time cos i called him a dirty B, Alan Hodgkinson came round for tea at my grandads, I crossed a ball for Peter Beagrie to head in when i was pre season training at The Mill..theres more but i dont want to give the impression that im over qualified

 

[jono_t2000]

He got coaching badges and went through a long apprenticeship under Bobby Robson and Van Gaal. How many know it alls in here did the same?

Most successful young entrepreneurs just wake up one day and realize something will work.

They are often the ones who haven't been to university for years and years learning how to operate a successful business.

Just look at how many of Biesla's understudies have gone on to be a useless flop.

Anyone can have ideas that may work better than what is currently in place and you don't need badges or to jump through hoops for that to be fact.

To suggest otherwise is just being ignorant. Shame on you Silent Blade

 

[guancheblade]

Sanders not my main concern to be honest. Robinson LWB, Basham is forgetting how to defend. Foderingham is so small for a goalkeeper. Sharps passed it missing sitters week after week. McGoldrick is getting worse by the season.

Agree. Let's deal with the kamikaze players first, the ones that proactively harm us during games.

 

[Maidenhead]

Why would they read posts by "know it alls" who are/were shit at football?

You saw me play

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Agree. Let's deal with the kamikaze players first, the ones that proactively harm us during games.

Like Robinson literally taking out RND and passing the ball to the Wolves striker

 

[BobblesBlade]

I think we were done over big time with transfer when we got to the Prem.

Berge for me was the first exciting signing for years and looking at him now I still don’t know what he is good at.

Very strange how it has panned out for this supposed player.

He is not the only one but something isn’t right at the amount of crap we signed while in the Prem.

 

[Yogi]

I think we were done over big time with transfer when we got to the Prem.

Berge for me was the first exciting signing for years and looking at him now I still don’t know what he is good at.

Very strange how it has panned out for this supposed player.

He is not the only one but something isn’t right at the amount of crap we signed while in the Prem.

I think there’s a very solid case to be made that we haven’t developed a player and made them better since the league one promotion. In league one we developed and vastly improved JOC, Fleck, Duffy, Coutts, Freeman, Lafferty.

In the championship we added quality players who came in and performed well noticeably Didzy, Hendo, Norwood and Egan. Since then we’ve signed players who were far more physically gifted than any who went before and who had better starts to their careers elsewhere than any we had signed in decades but not a single one of those players can we say we’ve moulded their raw tools and made them better.

Now if even one of those players had kicked on you could say we missed on the evaluations of all the others and lay the blame at the feet of the scouting department but to miss on every single one of those players might indicate that there’s issues elsewhere as well in terms of coaching and development.

 

[Rudders]

I think there’s a very solid case to be made that we haven’t developed a player and made them better since the league one promotion. In league one we developed and vastly improved JOC, Fleck, Duffy, Coutts, Freeman, Lafferty.

In the championship we added quality players who came in and performed well noticeably Didzy, Hendo, Norwood and Egan. Since then we’ve signed players who were far more physically gifted than any who went before and who had better starts to their careers elsewhere than any we had signed in decades but not a single one of those players can we say we’ve moulded their raw tools and made them better.

Now if even one of those players had kicked on you could say we missed on the evaluations of all the others and lay the blame at the feet of the scouting department but to miss on every single one of those players might indicate that there’s issues elsewhere as well in terms of coaching and development.

Good point, not been mentioned much on here. I think having good experienced players alongside them ie Jake Wright, Leon Clarke etc helped all the above. I think you could also argue we made Didz and Hendo a lot better, Sharp maybe last couple of years has developed an all round game (crossing passing etc).

Do you think perhaps they don't look as well coached in the last couple of years as the team isn't doing as well and generally the players might be a bit short of confidence? Or would you expect even in a rubbish team some players to get better (ie Che Adams at Brum came good even in a rubbish team; Brereton Diaz at Blackburn maybe?)

I also wonder if they players have grown tired of the Widler 'System'...

But then again, a lot of the senior players blamed SJ after he left for trying to do things differently and weren't very happy going to a flat back 4. Players like Bash.

There is probably some truth in the middle of the situation: all players like the easiest possible system/coaching; but they also need to be kept motivated/interested and it also needs to be a winning system. Guys like Pulis, Fat Sam and to a lesser extent guys like Blackwell tend to have winning/percentage based systems - but most modern players tend to hate this as it revolves around constant practising of defensive positions/shape out of possession. But then if you have too much player power, training is easy or fun but then you dont practice set pieces etc - the Championship rough boys run all over you (see Hudds/Millwall/Preston/Derby etc etc)

I suspect our squad is totally shot and doesn't respond to any of the coaching. Too many players been here too long and think 'well I have outlasted managers before so I will ignore this one and outlast him'!

 

[Yogi]

Good point, not been mentioned much on here. I think having good experienced players alongside them ie Jake Wright, Leon Clarke etc helped all the above. I think you could also argue we made Didz and Hendo a lot better, Sharp maybe last couple of years has developed an all round game (crossing passing etc).

Do you think perhaps they don't look as well coached in the last couple of years as the team isn't doing as well and generally the players might be a bit short of confidence? Or would you expect even in a rubbish team some players to get better (ie Che Adams at Brum came good even in a rubbish team; Brereton Diaz at Blackburn maybe?)

I also wonder if they players have grown tired of the Widler 'System'...

But then again, a lot of the senior players blamed SJ after he left for trying to do things differently and weren't very happy going to a flat back 4. Players like Bash.

There is probably some truth in the middle of the situation: all players like the easiest possible system/coaching; but they also need to be kept motivated/interested and it also needs to be a winning system. Guys like Pulis, Fat Sam and to a lesser extent guys like Blackwell tend to have winning/percentage based systems - but most modern players tend to hate this as it revolves around constant practising of defensive positions/shape out of possession. But then if you have too much player power, training is easy or fun but then you dont practice set pieces etc - the Championship rough boys run all over you (see Hudds/Millwall/Preston/Derby etc etc)

I suspect our squad is totally shot and doesn't respond to any of the coaching. Too many players been here too long and think 'well I have outlasted managers before so I will ignore this one and outlast him'!

I think certainly success makes players look better as confidence and relationships build. However you’re right to point out you can stand out as a good player in a bad side if you’re own individual attributes stand out regardless of what others are doing.

I think it’s worth differentiating between two types of coaching though there’s being well managed and prepared on game day maximising the abilities of a squad and there’s good coaching on the training ground developing a players fundamentals to make them a better all round player. I think most of the time in the last 5 years we’ve looked well managed and well prepared to maximise the abilities of our players for 90 minutes excluding last year and the start of this year.

The issue is we signed these fabulous young players with real natural gifts but that weren’t the complete player and not a single one looks a better player today than when he came through the door.

Bogle athletically gifted great attacking instincts but a limited defender that needs to work on a consistent end product as true today as it was when he arrived

Berge athletically gifted fast for his size good close control and strong but he doesn’t use his gifts takeover games like he should and needs to be more productive in the final third same today as he was when he arrived.

Brewster prolific at youth level great striker of the ball and good vision but has a low work rate and lacks the all round game of complete number 9. His work rate has improved of late but by enlarge still the same player he was on arrival.

Mcburnie productive wide playmaker type of striker that we earmarked to develop into a line leading number nine something we’ve failed to do.

 

[Rudders]

The issue is we signed these fabulous young players with real natural gifts but that weren’t the complete player and not a single one looks a better player today than when he came through the door.

Bogle athletically gifted great attacking instincts but a limited defender that needs to work on a consistent end product as true today as it was when he arrived

Berge athletically gifted fast for his size good close control and strong but he doesn’t use his gifts takeover games like he should and needs to be more productive in the final third same today as he was when he arrived.

Brewster prolific at youth level great striker of the ball and good vision but has a low work rate and lacks the all round game of complete number 9. His work rate has improved of late but by enlarge still the same player he was on arrival.

Mcburnie productive wide playmaker type of striker that we earmarked to develop into a line leading number nine something we’ve failed to do.

Excellent post. Some sobering examples there of lack of development. I think personally it would be worth persevering with players who obviously have the raw materials but obviously football is a results game, so our managers have continually selected the older more reliable options like Sharp, Baldock, Didz etc rather than try and develop the younger players like Bogle, Brewster and McBurnie.

 

[Yogi]

Excellent post. Some sobering examples there of lack of development. I think personally it would be worth persevering with players who obviously have the raw materials but obviously football is a results game, so our managers have continually selected the older more reliable options like Sharp, Baldock, Didz etc rather than try and develop the younger players like Bogle, Brewster and McBurnie.

I think it’s worth sticking with most of these lads too unless like Mcburnie there’s contract implications for doing so. A reason for optimism is that on the current staff are the two people most responsible for overseeing the good development of several academy players so the hope will be that they replicate that track record of development at senior level.

 

[Balham]

It's also worth pointing out that the players Wilder really turned around all had, more or less, something to prove. Either they'd been rejected by a side higher than us in the pyramid or they were in the twilight of their careers. The failures, really, were players brought in for big money, brought in from a lower division or brought in at the early stages of their careers.

Successes who fit the criteria:
Simon Moore: dropped down from Cardiff's bench in the league above
Jack O'Connell: dropped down from Brentford's reserves in the league above
John Fleck: moved from Coventry in the same division but had failed to hit the heights expected of him as a teenager at Rangers
Leon Clarke: bounced around the Championship and League One, was 32 when he joined for £100k from Bury
Mark Duffy: released by Birmingham in the division above having spent the previous season on loan at Burton
David McGoldrick: released by Ipswich
Daniel Lafferty: dropped down two divisions from Premier League Burnley, joining for a huge £50k
Jake Wright Snr: released by Oxford
Enda Stevens: signed on a free from Portsmouth who picked him up after he was released by Villa
Oli Norwood (promotion season edition): serially rejected by Premier League Brighton, spending the previous season on loan at Fulham in the Championship before joining us for £1.2m (plus undisclosed loan fee)

Successes (or at least not failures) who don't quite fit the criteria:
George Baldock: signed at 24 for £500k from MK Dons after we were promoted to the Championship
John Egan: signed at 25 from Brentford for a then-club record £4.2m fee
Jayden Bogle: signed at 20 for £5m from Derby
Aaron Ramsdale: signed at 23 for £12.5m (now £15m) from Bournemouth. Sold to Arsenal for a fee rising to £30m.

[Relative] failures:
Rhian Brewster: signed at 20 for £18.5m from Liverpool
Oli McBurnie: signed at 23 for £17m from Swansea (lower division)
Sander Berge: signed at 21 for £22.5m from Genk
Callum Robinson: signed at 24 for £5m from Preston (lower division)
Oli Burke: signed at 24 as a makeweight in the deal for Robinson from West Brom
Luke Freeman: signed at 27 for £4.5m from QPR (lower division)
Lys Mousset: signed at 23 for £6m from Bournemouth
Jack Robinson: signed at 26 for £500k from Forest (lower division)
Ben Osborn: signed at 24 (he turned 25 after 2 weeks with us) for £3.5m from Forest (lower division)
Max Lowe: signed at 23 for £3m from Derby (lower division)

 

[Wincobank S9 Blade]

Cash in on Berge got ability but half hearted all time.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Cash in on Berge got ability but half hearted all time.

I’m not even seeing ability.

The 50:50 with Evans in midfield sums him up, should just brush him aside but instead gets brushed aside himself.

 

[Wincobank S9 Blade]

I’m not even seeing ability.

The 50:50 with Evans in midfield sums him up, should just brush him aside but instead gets brushed aside himself.

Yeah powderpuff.

 

[Medlock]

Sander Berge will be a quality player with class players around him , his style of play doesn't suit the Championship or us and there is not enough quality in our team to compliment his strengths .

He's also played out of position. He's a Central Defensive Midfield Player. We run him ragged out on the wing, until his hamstring went.

 

[raul]

He's had more fucking chances than Nick Cotton

 

[Nelson1889]

He's also played out of position. He's a Central Defensive Midfield Player. We run him ragged out on the wing, until his hamstring went.

A central defensive midfielder who can neither tackle nor cover ground. I'd dread to think what he'd do if he played there.

His pea sized heart needs to be as far away from our goal as possible

 

[Champagneblade]

He needs to toughen up and work on his all round game if he is to be a success here. He simply doesn't impose himself in a way he should given his size.

The next few months with the weather will be a battle.

I wonder if one of those fancy Italian teams who liked him might take him on loan for 6 months. Save about 750k in wages and it might boost his confidence. He's just losing value playing in this team at the moment.

I'd rather we stick with Slater in the squad.

 

[sitwell]

He's had more fucking chances than Nick Cotton

And plays like his mother.

 

[Slug]

If he's still here on the 31st January then i'm going to stick my neck out and say he will be injured/ill again by Valentines day and not be seen again until late April at the earliest in a few dead rubbers which might suit him more.

 

[Tezza1889]

Will All the clubs clambering for sander berge get a hurry on..

 

[Keen Blade]

My heart sank when his laconic persona replaced the energetic Ndaiye - my heart was right.
Just feck off Sander you useless streak of piss.