Safe Standing

[Rodley]

the safe standing is nothing like the old terracing or seat less kop
you get the same area as a proper seat and barriers on every step which renders it a waste of effort
the standing was to huddle together on december tuesday nights for a bit of warmth
singing was louder as we were closer, with safe standing we are socially distanced as much as a seat

in fact sitting offers better exercise as we stand up for attacks or goals

Aye atmosphere is crap on safe standing. Not worth bothering with.

 

[Stu_Blade]

If we were to invest money into safe standing on the Kop surely the best time to cantilever the roof and finally remove the pillars ?

 

[Rodley]

If we were to invest money into safe standing on the Kop surely the best time to cantilever the roof and finally remove the pillars ?

Logically you’d put safe standing on the Kop and if we ever got established in the PL put another tier of seating & new corporate facilities on top of the South Stand.

 

[davidblade]

It’s a backwards step something this government specialises in

 

[dn5 shaun]

Imagine half time queues!

yeh for those still trying to get in

 

[SB_90]

ive stood at majority of away games & wembley. so ive no problems with that. but im from a time period of effectively 00s onwards. so have only know seating.

but its got to be thought through well. & i would be wary of going back to what ive seen in games in 70s. as the liverpool kop seems terrifying. the swaying the jolt forward after a goal & saw some talking about doubling capacity & even thought it wont apply to me as hopefully it will only be on the kop. you don't want to be going back to cramming people in like sardines

 

[ancientblade]

ive stood at majority of away games & wembley. so ive no problems with that. but im from a time period of effectively 00s onwards. so have only know seating.

but its got to be thought through well. & i would be wary of going back to what ive seen in games in 70s. as the liverpool kop seems terrifying. the swaying the jolt forward after a goal & saw some talking about doubling capacity & even thought it wont apply to me as hopefully it will only be on the kop. you don't want to be going back to cramming people in like sardines

i see your point but you ask any of our older fans that stood on the shoreham in the 60s 70s and 80s which they prefer

 

[Rodley]

ive stood at majority of away games & wembley. so ive no problems with that. but im from a time period of effectively 00s onwards. so have only know seating.

but its got to be thought through well. & i would be wary of going back to what ive seen in games in 70s. as the liverpool kop seems terrifying. the swaying the jolt forward after a goal & saw some talking about doubling capacity & even thought it wont apply to me as hopefully it will only be on the kop. you don't want to be going back to cramming people in like sardines

There’s no way to sway or surge forward, each seat has its own barrier in front. It’s all ticket so you can’t cram more people in or double capacity.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I'm surprised people are so unaware of what exactly the new style standing is yet still comment on it.

The next battle is for it to raise capacity over seating like it can in Germany.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

How on earth could you possibly look down sat on one of those and watch a match if some one in front is standing absolutely pointless, and I'm betting it won't take long before some are standing on those seat as well....
The kop is simply too high and holds to many for safe standing unless every body plays by the rules, and that's never going to happen...

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

How on earth could you possibly look down sat on one of those and watch a match if some one in front is standing absolutely pointless, and I'm betting it won't take long before some are standing on those seat as well....
The kop is simply too high and holds to many for safe standing unless every body plays by the rules, and that's never going to happen...

You do realise it's not compulsory?
Some people want to stand. So they've devised a way it can be accommodated for those who do.

 

[jt64]

How on earth could you possibly look down sat on one of those and watch a match if some one in front is standing absolutely pointless, and I'm betting it won't take long before some are standing on those seat as well

You realise that rail seating, when in standing configuration, is locked out of use so you can't sit on it?

 

[Rodley]

How on earth could you possibly look down sat on one of those and watch a match if some one in front is standing absolutely pointless, and I'm betting it won't take long before some are standing on those seat as well....
The kop is simply too high and holds to many for safe standing unless every body plays by the rules, and that's never going to happen...

You choose to sit in one of the 25,000 seats. If you’re buying tickets in a safe standing section and want to sit, you aren’t the full shilling.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

I am guessing your a young'un , i started off standing on the kop at the front as a boy watching the Blades then moved to the back of the kop as a teenager , then ended in the middle of the kop above the central gangway , (had to get there early for that position every match) .
I would stand all the time if i had the choice !

I don't know your age either, but I was probably stood on the Kop before you were born,,,,

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

You choose to sit in one of the 25,000 seats. If you’re buying tickets in a safe standing section and want to sit, you aren’t the full shilling.

Exactly, so why bother with the seats at all ? just build the barrier in front of every step,

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Exactly, so why bother with the seats at all ? just build the barrier in front of every step,

To sit down at half time? To sit down if you feel like it?
Why are you hell bent on throwing in any wild reason for it to be bad.
You started of citing Hillsborough disaster and have then grabbed at anything you can think of, without seeming to actually know anything about it.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Exactly, so why bother with the seats at all ? just build the barrier in front of every step,

Because European competition doesn't allow safe standing ( yet) also the ability to change configuration for different events ( boxing, rod Stewart gig or motorcycle events recently at the lane) allows for flexibility.

 

[Mumbo]

I'm pretty sure that's a myth.
I can remember some terrible atmospheres in the 80's.
Its whats happening on the pitch and the amount of opposition fans that make the real difference in atmosphere.

Arrr the 80’s…

If you were daft enough to be stood against a barrier when we scored the ensuing unstoppable wave of beery bodies compressing you relentlessly against said barrier would cause your giblets to leave your body from every orifice.
Lots of giddy men and unfortunately no women getting intimately entwined with by ‘x’ Newton’s of force.
Sharing your bollock space with a stranger then apologising for rubbing their stubble with your nose……Homo erotica anyone?

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

The ones who make me laugh are the old farts who grumble if they have to stand up to let someone past but then come half time they then stand up for 10 or 15 minutes at their seat.

And talking about seats, sat in John St against Derby for the first time in a while. Started off near the half way line and had plenty of leg room.

Decided to move to the kop end second half and literally couldn't get my knees in. I'm only 5' 11" ffs. Who built that stand? Yosser Hughes?

We do that to ease the stiffness out of our less mobile muscles and joints.

You'll see.

One day .

 

[Stu_Blade]

For it to work there should be a club fan consultation and investment into the Kop. If you got rid of the kop's pillars could a 2 tier stand be a better option with seating in the top and safe standing in the lower? I personally wouldn't want to stand for too long because of my dodgy knees but be good to have the option.

 

[S64 Blade]

Exactly, so why bother with the seats at all ? just build the barrier in front of every step,

Because they might be events where seating is required. Better to have the option and future-proof it.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

I think this safe standing nonsense is a terrible idea

I cant stand for 90 minutes at the match and im sure the majority of blades are in a a similar situation so its a no from me

 

[S64 Blade]

Not sure if it'd work, but could the club remove some of the headaches of totally developing the Kop and going all-in for safe standing? The shallow rake is less of an issue when stood (which would have still been a problem for 2/3 of the Kop, under the most recent redevelopment plans).

Going for safe standing would provide the capacity increase (potentially) required for the ground. The club could then go ahead with replacing the roof with a proper cantilever structure and redeveloping the facilities and access at the back of the stand. I'm certain it'd be at least half the cost when compared with the current proposals and provide pretty much the same revenue benefits.

 

[S64 Blade]

I think this safe standing nonsense is a terrible idea

I cant stand for 90 minutes at the match and im sure the majority of blades are in a a similar situation so its a no from me

I don't think anyone will be forcing you with a gun to your head, to sit in this part of the ground. I choose not to sit on the Kop any more without this threat.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Some people want to sit. Some want to stand. Some prefer to be in a executive box. What's the problem with giving people a choice? Personally I stood on the kop for years, even after it went all seater, but would probably prefer to sit these days.

 

[247Blade]

Sigh. The clue is in the title, y'know 'SAFE' Standing. Not Lunatic Standing or Pissed-up Idiot Standing. Sheeeesh.

Yeah and who monitors it .... stewards are chocolate fireguard ... a retrograde step in my opionion

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

Not sure if it'd work, but could the club remove some of the headaches of totally developing the Kop and going all-in for safe standing? The shallow rake is less of an issue when stood (which would have still been a problem for 2/3 of the Kop, under the most recent redevelopment plans).

Going for safe standing would provide the capacity increase (potentially) required for the ground. The club could then go ahead with replacing the roof with a proper cantilever structure and redeveloping the facilities and access at the back of the stand. I'm certain it'd be at least half the cost when compared with the current proposals and provide pretty much the same revenue benefits.

Make it unreserved too and this would massively help the atmosphere.

 

[S64 Blade]

Make it unreserved too and this would massively help the atmosphere.

It is at Dortmund, You just have to go in a particular section, but otherwise free to stand wherever you fancy.

 

[Rodley]

Make it unreserved too and this would massively help the atmosphere.

It won’t be unreserved. It’ll probably be season tickets only as I imagine the demand will be huge.

 

[SB_90]

There’s no way to sway or surge forward, each seat has its own barrier in front. It’s all ticket so you can’t cram more people in or double capacity.

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im mostly in favour of it, because away fans have been doing it for years, & id never think of sitting an away match it would be weird, but it should stay on kop so that you know where you stand (pun unintented) as fans know what they are in for, if your on the kop you will be standing. it should run smoothly, but its got to be thought through, which is not the strong suit of this goverment my worries came from the quote below, as 1 seat 1 ticket needs to remain, so its comfortable. football clubs dont get greedy

I believe in Germany the ratio is 1.6 (standing) to 1 seat, I think the safety limit might even be 1.8 to 1 seat.
So just imagine instead of having 10,221 on our Kop, the capacity would increase virtually 18K (using a 1.6 ratio).
If you put an extra 6,800 Blades under the Kop roof in the same space then the noise (atmosphere) will be on another level.

if entire ground is made into this & its a free for all it will cause aggravation & violence will be inevitable. you need a standing section alot like has been discussed on here at away ground with front for sitting & rear for standing. because i still remember the arguments at man utd fa cup game under adkins. where because a couple fans are stood up on the front row. it started a domino effect where everyone had to stand whether they wanted to or not. & this son of father in 80's with walking stick had to stand for entire 1st half. was getting increasingly pissed off & having an increasely aggressive slanging match with the guys in late teens/early 20's who started the domino effect