Sack him now

[Danetheblade]

There is a reason many managers are out of work.

Very true. Theres also a reason many are in work. So why not aim for one of those? Let’s not forget Wilder were out of work before he came back. As you say, there’s ultimately a reason for that. Theres also a good reason no other club set him on when he were either in work, or free.

 

[YES Blade]

An alternative like Selles?

Wilder may not be the answer, but my worry is that we think sacking managers will be a magic wand to improve everything. We have had 2 managers so far this season and been appalling under both. What if the issue is the players?

I agree, the owners are the issue here and their recruitment of managers is pathetic.

Selles wasn’t even interviewed and then panicked and just got Wilder back without considering other options.

I wouldn’t expect any business to recruit in this way, let alone a football club hiring a manager who’s contract is worth millions!

 

[FriethBlade]

I don't believe it has to be a blade either, we tried a non blade in Selles and how did that work out?

We have tried 2 managers this season and can't change the squad till Jan.
What if the players are the problem rather than the manager?

Well Cooper, Seriki, Burrows, Peck, Hamer, Ohare, Campbell, McCallum, Brooks, Davies, Cannon and One were all here last season. Plus Tanganga isnt a downgrade on Anel (when Tanganga is played in his proper position).

Now clearly some of those players are way below last years standards but its not unreasonable to have expected Wilder to have got a tune out of the ones he knows irrespective of how bad some of the newcomers are.

That seemed to to be the case but these last 2 games have set us back a long way, yesterday in particular at home against a poor side.

 

[Gavlar]

Well Cooper, Seriki, Burrows, Peck, Hamer, Ohare, Campbell, McCallum, Brooks, Davies, Cannon and One were all here last season. Plus Tanganga isnt a downgrade on Anel (when Tanganga is played in his proper position).

Now clearly some of those players are way below last years standards but its not unreasonable to have expected Wilder to have got a tune out of the ones he knows irrespective of how bad some of the newcomers are.

That seemed to to be the case but these last 2 games have set us back a long way, yesterday in particular at home against a poor side.

How would you explain the fall off from last season? Manager is the same and many of the players are the same as you say. 92 points one year and relegation the next.

For me it boils down to the spine we have lost. Moore, Vini souza and Harry souttar all gone. Plus we have lost other attacking options such as rak saki, Brewster and BBD as well.
I don’t know why Peck, Burrows and Cooper are off it this year. The tactics look the same though so it’s hard to believe it’s the manager.
Maybe we have been worked out?

 

[skegblade]

The problem for Wilder is he hasn't got any right players to pick, he's juggling diarrhoea .

He knew what he was getting before he signed
Hes not the messiah just a very naughty boy

 

[TJ blade]

Nathan Jones, Gary O’Neil… there’s plenty of interesting options, doesn’t always have to be a Blade

Sorry, but sadly that's the way it has to be, nobody in this world "gets us"

 

[nopigfansintown]

i agree might as well just play a basic 442 certainly at home at least lets give it a go carry on like this and were heading for league 1 plenty of time left yet but wilder really has to stop making excuses pick the right players in the right system and get us up that table

The problem with two up top is that you need four fit, competent strikers. We have none. Campbell for an hour is the best we can do. That's at a push.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Cooper, Burrows, Peck are mysteriously worse than last year.Less so in Peck's case as he is missing experience and guidance next to him. Understandable really. He shouldn't be expected to carry a Champ midfield at his age, he's learning his trade.

Is Cooper carrying an injury? If no, the drop off is huge.

O' Hare: for me he has stepped up and is doing better than last season.


McCallum: squad player. Done alright.

Brooks, T Davies, Cannon, One, Seriki. Showed little last year bar a little bit of promise in One, Seriki and Brooks's case. One gets a pass for me anyway as he's still very young. T Davies is a crock. He's done exactly as expected: been injured. Seriki's injury record suggests he's not one of two dependable right backs ANY team needs. We have none .

Campbell and Hamer. I imagine the local takeaways are happy to find their new Moose.

Overall not a lot for a manager to hang his hat on.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Since the overlapping center backs in 2019, I've always struggled to pin down our identity with Wilder.

It seems to be this U shaped pattern of play with lots of short passes.

And you know what's around the "U" bend.........

 

[Sky Blues]

We’re safe in Chris’s hands. Aren’t we?

And if the owners sack him the owners will be picking the new manager.

Track record so far is hiring Wilder, sacking Wilder, hiring Sellés, sacking Sellés and hiring Wilder.

At least if you bring back Sellés he couldn't do worse than last time

 

[The Crab]

At least if you bring back Sellés he couldn't do worse than last time

Our innovative AI system has already identified the next manager.

Borat Chlamydiadev of Dynamo Shitkickers in the Kazakhstan league 3rd division South (southern division) has just won four games straight. All four games were forfeits because the Shitkickers are the only team in the league, but a winning streak is a winning streak right?

Chlamydiadev should be in place before the Coventry game subject to the work permit clearing in time, and clearing his pet potato from quarantine.

 

[Champagneblade]

An alternative like Selles?

Wilder may not be the answer, but my worry is that we think sacking managers will be a magic wand to improve everything. We have had 2 managers so far this season and been appalling under both. What if the issue is the players?

The season we went down we had 4 managers didn’t we? Blackwell, Speed, Carver and Adams? Let’s not repeat.

Our aim has to be 4th bottom now. Then it might take a couple of windows to unfuck the idiocy of the summer.

Wilder isn’t perfect but systematically they’ve removed a midfield enforcer, ball playing centre back and hard as nails target man.

Replaced them with what? A soft as shit centre half who just got relegated, a midget from Chelsea and a 32 year old who, albeit a decent player on his day, is not going to add any power to the team physically.

They’ve lost all idea of what gave the team an edge. They need to sign 2 or three big bastards in the window down the spine of the team to stop shipping soft goals. Had this been in place I dare say goals one and three from the weekend don’t happen.

They have to remember that football gets played on grass and not spreadsheets. All the stats in the world won’t help you if physically you’re weak as chip vinegar.

 

[Torrix1889]

2 UP FRONT, 4 IN MIDFIELD, 4 DEFENDERS......STOP OVER FKIN COMPLICATING IT...BASICS, BASICS, BASICS

And win a second ball for once!!

 

[ancientblade]

The problem with two up top is that you need four fit, competent strikers. We have none. Campbell for an hour is the best we can do. That's at a push.

we have campbell cannon ings one and at a push o'hare as strikers sorry but in home games especially totally negative to play only 1 striker no wonder our fans are bored stiff of this type of football

 

[nopigfansintown]

we have campbell cannon ings one and at a push o'hare as strikers sorry but in home games especially totally negative to play only 1 striker no wonder our fans are bored stiff of this type of football

Cannon has shown nothing.

One is a babi and isn't ready to lead the line regularly. He may never be. Not his fault. Should be on loan somewhere

Ings is unfit and looks totally shot. Laughable signing.

Campbell has four spare tires. He's a 60 minute once a week player this season. Overplay him and he'll get injured like his foodie mate Gus. It's actually quite comical seeing him sweating like Prince Andrew in a Pizza Hut after 10 minutes.

O'Hare isn't a striker. Nowhere close.

You play two and you need four regularly available, fit, quality strikers. We have, well, none.

We'd basically be hanging our hat - that despite all the available evidence so far suggesting otherwise - that One or Cannon would start firing.

 

[Bell4]

Our innovative AI system has already identified the next manager.

Borat Chlamydiadev of Dynamo Shitkickers in the Kazakhstan league 3rd division South (southern division) has just won four games straight. All four games were forfeits because the Shitkickers are the only team in the league, but a winning streak is a winning streak right?

Chlamydiadev should be in place before the Coventry game subject to the work permit clearing in time, and clearing his pet potato from quarantine.

industries/pinpointmanager.com/nowhereisoutofreach//www.getstheclub

 

[joe casey]

2 UP FRONT, 4 IN MIDFIELD, 4 DEFENDERS......STOP OVER FKIN COMPLICATING IT...BASICS, BASICS, BASICS

I completely understand what youre getting at here - but look at the squad - who are you putting in these positions?

We don't have a single capable right-back - maybe one decent centre half in Tanganga. Wilder maybe would've signed Mee but it would've been to do a Rob Holding cover job - not start week in week out.

We have central midfielders made out of biscuits which probably leaves you with Soumare & Peck - a pair of kids trying to do each others job. Don't mention Matos - another league 1 level player.
We have no adequate wingers - Ogbene, Barry, Brooks all league 1 players.

Two strikers? Neither campbell or ings capable of playing over an hour - Cannon would struggle to get in some sunday league sides the way he's playing. One again a young kid who should be in League 1.

Hamer and Arblaster out injured for god knows how long. Davies never fit for more than a couple of games.

You play 442 you also lose our only decent player this season in O'Hare.

The recruitment this summer is some of the worst we've ever seen - and I include the Hecky Prem season in that. We seem to have a huge squad of players incapable of playing at the level.

Would any of the teams who finished in the top 6 last season seriously have considered signing McGuinness, Ogbene, Chong, Matos etc?

The manager of course is not helping himself (if seriki is fit then he has to be on the bench instead of matos for example) but I think Guardiola would struggle to get this bunch to gel at the minute.

 

[joe casey]

Well Cooper, Seriki, Burrows, Peck, Hamer, Ohare, Campbell, McCallum, Brooks, Davies, Cannon and One were all here last season. Plus Tanganga isnt a downgrade on Anel (when Tanganga is played in his proper position).

Now clearly some of those players are way below last years standards but its not unreasonable to have expected Wilder to have got a tune out of the ones he knows irrespective of how bad some of the newcomers are.

That seemed to to be the case but these last 2 games have set us back a long way, yesterday in particular at home against a poor side.

I keep seeing people say Tanganga is at the same level or a level above Anel.
Bar a few good last ditch blocks and tackles I have seen nothing to back this up.

 

[FriethBlade]

I keep seeing people say Tanganga is at the same level or a level above Anel.
Bar a few good last ditch blocks and tackles I have seen nothing to back this up.

Well granted he doesn't pull strikers shirts as much as Anel did We can argue that backwards and forwards but Tanganga was 'recognised as one of the best CBs in the championship last season....however he's not a right back and thats where our esteemed leader is playing him...I doubt Anel would have been that effective ar right back either ! When hes played his proper position he is good.

 

[Blade56]

Our innovative AI system has already identified the next manager.

Borat Chlamydiadev of Dynamo Shitkickers in the Kazakhstan league 3rd division South (southern division) has just won four games straight. All four games were forfeits because the Shitkickers are the only team in the league, but a winning streak is a winning streak right?

Chlamydiadev should be in place before the Coventry game subject to the work permit clearing in time, and clearing his pet potato from quarantine.

WYHT?

 

[ATL Recs]

Ok I’ll bite.

So we sack our second manager of the season who are we replacing him with?

Our team is shite. No goals, creativity, spine, guts or confidence. I don’t think prime red nose Ferguson could turn this round, so who would you bring in to cause a miracle and how many games would they get to do this before they also get sacked?

Think the OP hit it on the head this has been the norm since April last season after the Coventry game

 

[Zeblades34]

As hard as it is and potentially stupid given how bad we are NOW but i think you have to wait until january and see the incomings and outgoings. There's a lot of dog shit in that squad, matos, barry, bindon, godfrey to name a few aren't the style or type of players we need or need now. I predict there will be a fair few outgoings.

 

[bertieblade]

As hard as it is and potentially stupid given how bad we are NOW but i think you have to wait until january and see the incomings and outgoings. There's a lot of dog shit in that squad, matos, barry, bindon, godfrey to name a few aren't the style or type of players we need or need now. I predict there will be a fair few outgoings.

But between then and now we need points and to get them Wilder has to change the way we are playing, some of our players do not have many strengths but at least give them a fighting chance by playing them in the correct positions, with the right tactics and support

 

[Zeblades34]

But between then and now we need points and to get them Wilder has to change the way we are playing, some of our players do not have many strengths but at least give them a fighting chance by playing them in the correct positions, with the right tactics and support

Totally agree something needs to change, my worry is he's tried the ol'reliable back 3 and it's not working. Seen someone say 4-4-2 and it could be an option but with the squad we have it's not set for a 4-4-2 to work either.

 

[FredZeppelin]

Nothing is going to change until the board grow a pair, realise that their approach has been a catastrophic failure and starting acting NOW imo.

1. Sack Allen and Hoyland straight away. There's no way either should be allowed to contribute to such a crucial January Window. They are hopeless and will sit back and just let CW do their work for them.

2. Bring in an experienced Director of Football immediately to oversee all recruitment and managerial activity.

3. Sack Wilder as soon as the DoF is appointed - he's drifting and waiting for the sack....again!

I know the next question will be 'who would you bring in'? The answer is "I don't know, I'm not an expert, nor do I profess to be". The new DofF should be, though, so before we speculate on who the next manager should be I suggest we think about proposing a new DoF to the board. We are desperate for leadership.

Drift and we are toast.

utb

 

[Servigliano]

I think you're a bit unfair to Campbell but other than the slight that, 100% right.

I completely understand what youre getting at here - but look at the squad - who are you putting in these positions?

We don't have a single capable right-back - maybe one decent centre half in Tanganga. Wilder maybe would've signed Mee but it would've been to do a Rob Holding cover job - not start week in week out.

We have central midfielders made out of biscuits which probably leaves you with Soumare & Peck - a pair of kids trying to do each others job. Don't mention Matos - another league 1 level player.
We have no adequate wingers - Ogbene, Barry, Brooks all league 1 players.

Two strikers? Neither campbell or ings capable of playing over an hour - Cannon would struggle to get in some sunday league sides the way he's playing. One again a young kid who should be in League 1.

Hamer and Arblaster out injured for god knows how long. Davies never fit for more than a couple of games.

You play 442 you also lose our only decent player this season in O'Hare.

The recruitment this summer is some of the worst we've ever seen - and I include the Hecky Prem season in that. We seem to have a huge squad of players incapable of playing at the level.

Would any of the teams who finished in the top 6 last season seriously have considered signing McGuinness, Ogbene, Chong, Matos etc?

The manager of course is not helping himself (if seriki is fit then he has to be on the bench instead of matos for example) but I think Guardiola would struggle to get this bunch to gel at the minute.

Fully agree, although Hecky brought in Hamer and Souza (may be wrong on that?).
I never thought I'd say this but JLT would walk into our defence at the moment - and he'd not let heads drop so easily.

 

[LBA_Blade]

2 UP FRONT, 4 IN MIDFIELD, 4 DEFENDERS......STOP OVER FKIN COMPLICATING IT...BASICS, BASICS, BASICS

I was thinking this yesterday could we get away with an old school 4-4-2 or at least 4-1-3-2 as our 2 options similar to the below, some changes easily made but keep it simple. A few teams are going back to the "Classic 4-4-2" and we do have enough players to allow us to do so, we do need a CF in January though desperately

 

[dexter101]

I didn't see the game at the weekend but we are collecting points under Wilder. Not enough, but it only takes another couple of wins and we start being out of relegation zone. Its a long season but I think we have to accept, with this squad, that is it and ensuring we stay in the championship is the most important thing at this stage.

Changing Manager now solves nothing. We just don't have any depth (or fitness) in that squad to make any real changes to personnel or formation.

I think ideally It would make sense to try and ship out some players in January, treat Wilder as a interim for this season, ensure we stay up and then start a new project next summer.

I like our youngsters but I am starting to think we need to move some of them on. Sometimes its a question of timing and I just don't think its worked out for them.

Ideally we want a starting 11 and someone to be backup/push them to start. Think Burrows and McCallum. With RB, do we want Seriki as our starting RB (which for some reason he isn't) or do we sign a starter and he then acts as back up. Likewise, do we commit to Brooks being a starting winger (I like him, but still not sure he is quite good enough) or do we bring in a good quality player and he acts as back up. in which case, they both might be wanting to move on.

 

[The Fox]

Theres a dangerous of analysing everything to death . From recruitment to formations , fitness , overall structure etc .

I just want the team to play like we mean it rather than sometimes appearing to go through the motions .

Tackle , pass , run , take on a full back , attack the ball , run into the box , do it all with intent and commitment.

We just dont give the opposition enough to think about, force a mistake or even have an uncomfortable afternoon.

I'd love slick , quick football but in the situation we are just play with total commitment , leave nothing in the tank .

Its not going to be pretty but its got to be a better watch than Saturday.

 

[Houston_Blade]

How would you explain the fall off from last season? Manager is the same and many of the players are the same as you say. 92 points one year and relegation the next.

For me it boils down to the spine we have lost. Moore, Vini souza and Harry souttar all gone. Plus we have lost other attacking options such as rak saki, Brewster and BBD as well.
I don’t know why Peck, Burrows and Cooper are off it this year. The tactics look the same though so it’s hard to believe it’s the manager.
Maybe we have been worked out?

We lost Souttar on Boxing Day last year, since then I’d like to see our form compared to before he was injured.