Robotic Football

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This is old news. Maybe new to a foreign player although he spent in Arsenals youth set up.

I was an academy player and every single team at every single age level has a superbly gifted joe coleesque “No10” and I’d go as far as saying as there is a world beater at the academy at anyone time or they did in my experience but all you’re asked to do is head up/check over your shoulder pick a player out and pass, move repeat. The player In question ultimately gets released at 16-18 and ends up in non league straight away

This was my experience in the early 2000s.and by my experience I don’t mean I was the gifted No10 😂😂
 

Yakblade said:
No this isn't a post about robots playing football (as interesting as that could be!!). Cesc Fabregas said that football is becoming too robotic ie coaches telling players exactly what to do on a pitch and basically putting a leash on flair players. This does strlike a chord with with me.

I coach an U13 girls football team and the emphasis is simply on the girls enjoying the football. We give them the basics and put them in a formation and then just let them go out and play. But I also help out with a boys U17 team and I have disagreed with the manager about one thing in particular. He tries to give them a set way to play for every scenario. If a player goes against his plan by beating an extra man for example, he'll stop training and make them do it again. For me this is wrong. It takes away a footballers natural instinct for the game. And this is kind of what I see with United.

Too often the players look lost if plan A fails. The ball gets played back to the keeper and they either try the same tactic again with the same result or the ball is lumped upfield and lost. Any flair seems to have been coached out of them. If a player does show some individual skill more often than not there's no one reacting to it because it isn't part of the plan. CWAK gave us some of the best football I have seen in my lifetime but it did feel like they players were overcoached.

It's a worrying trend that has crept into football of late. Hopefully Slav can introduce some flair and excitement back into our play and us back to the promised land.
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It’s like watching ballroom dancing and not using the full dance floor. The game is dying as a spectacle. Play too condensed. Needs changes making to open play up. Rule change needed stopping goalie leaving his area. Also offside rule needs changing so players are not offside five yards either side of the halfway line. Finally send the divers off and the thing that gripes me most, any player grabbing another in the box should be given as a penalty.
 
Proper football died years ago .whatever is being played today isn't the real thing .a game where you can't tackle and win a ball ,where you can drop like your shot and win a free kick ,where you can throw a ball from the front of your head and it isn't a foul throw. The modern games shite .
 
Metal Mickey was built a bit like Darren Bullock or could have been a decent centre half.
Bit of a lad as well as shown here trying it on with Sally James.
 
Top of the league said:
Proper football died years ago .whatever is being played today isn't the real thing .a game where you can't tackle and win a ball ,where you can drop like your shot and win a free kick ,where you can throw a ball from the front of your head and it isn't a foul throw. The modern games shite .
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To be honest it's not totally shite. But definitely lost its excitement. Remember when a couple of banging tackles got the crowd out of their seat or a good old ruck of players just got a talking too instead of the club get 20 grand fines. The last time a tackle got the crowd going was Lundstrams against diving Jack, people still talk about it same as do you remember what you where doing when Kennedy got shot.
Must agree though most of today's players certainly love the art of diving or faking injuries, but as they say " it's part of the game", unfortunately . Honestly think that's where we went wrong in the Premier league, not cheating or acting enough. But glad we didn't go down that route, hats of to Chris Wilder for that one.
 
im afraid football has become so dull so defensive possesion based and hardly anything happening in either penalty area the number of times you see a team get a throw in level with the oppositions 18 yard line and 3 passes later its back with the attacking teams goalkeeper absolute nonsense and dont get me started about players going down as though theyve been shot after a little nudge its so embarrasing and referees fall for it all the time
 
Should hold award ceremony at the end of the season for the "Best dive whilst screaming" . The winner is xxxxxxxxxxxx.
 
Players just don't play what they see any more, save for the Czech player against Scotland who went for something outlandish and it paid off for him, pound to a penny if that chance fell to someone in red and white stripes, they'll have kept hold of it, waited for the defence to get back and think that getting a throw level with the 18 yard like is a positive outcome. Last bloke to score a goal remotely like that for us was Kazim Richards god knows how long ago.

Systems work when you're defending because organisation stops people from scoring, look no further than Sweden last night. Possession is useless unless you do something with it, the Swedes knew that they couldn't dominate possession so rendered the Spanish possession useless and should have scored themselves.

I watch a lot of rugby league, not as much as when I was paid to watch it but all the Australian players who come over here like it so much because it's less structured, people throw the ball about and try harder to score points than keeping them out the other end. The trend here however is to try and copy (badly) what the Aussies are doing because we haven't beaten them for so long rather than concentrate on what we're good at.

That's how we used to play under Wilder at the beginning with a "fuck everyone else, they'll just have to deal with us" mentality rather than last season panicking about who we're playing. If the players are enjoying it, you can pretty well guarantee that the fans will be too.
 
Didn't we sign a skills coach? The guy Baldock ran to when be scored away at Norwich? 🤷🏽‍♂️
 

Yakblade said:
No this isn't a post about robots playing football (as interesting as that could be!!). Cesc Fabregas said that football is becoming too robotic ie coaches telling players exactly what to do on a pitch and basically putting a leash on flair players. This does strlike a chord with with me.

I coach an U13 girls football team and the emphasis is simply on the girls enjoying the football. We give them the basics and put them in a formation and then just let them go out and play. But I also help out with a boys U17 team and I have disagreed with the manager about one thing in particular. He tries to give them a set way to play for every scenario. If a player goes against his plan by beating an extra man for example, he'll stop training and make them do it again. For me this is wrong. It takes away a footballers natural instinct for the game. And this is kind of what I see with United.

Too often the players look lost if plan A fails. The ball gets played back to the keeper and they either try the same tactic again with the same result or the ball is lumped upfield and lost. Any flair seems to have been coached out of them. If a player does show some individual skill more often than not there's no one reacting to it because it isn't part of the plan. CWAK gave us some of the best football I have seen in my lifetime but it did feel like they players were overcoached.

It's a worrying trend that has crept into football of late. Hopefully Slav can introduce some flair and excitement back into our play and us back to the promised land.
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Generally i find football is better these days than before. Generally the rules have tilted the advantage in favour of attackers and flair players, and that means more goal mouth action and more goals.

Terrible management as described in your post goes through different trends and what you have described is crap, but no worse than some of the brutal route one stuff on show 20 or 30 years ago
 


Well they are nailing the art of diving so can't be too far away now before our robot overlords show us how it's done.
 
Football is both better and worse than it used to be.

The players are faster but the play itself can be slower and more methodical. So it's both faster and slower.

The players are more athletic and more muscular, but less physically resilient and challenges/tackles have less bite. So it's both more physical and less.

I also tend to think that whilst players are more skillful as a whole in that they're technically more adept at passing and in their touch, that this is also used less often, and we only see flashes of it from some players. There's less of an emphasis on individual brilliance and more on gaining an advantage through grinding the opposition down positionally.

The game as a whole is more sanitised. Pitches, equipment and resources are more 'perfect', with the idea that this is simply better. I don't necessarily think it is.

The thing that got me was the advertising for one of the world cup balls a few years back, promoting it as 'the roundest ball ever', as if this is somehow the optimal, peak iteration of a football.
It's all just commercialised, marketing BS.
The reality is that a football is not supposed to be round, it's supposed to he shaped like a football.

It's the idea that perceived small flaws within the game are things to be eradicated, rather than celebrated.
 
Blade.com said:
Should hold award ceremony at the end of the season for the "Best dive whilst screaming" . The winner is xxxxxxxxxxxx.
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Think every football knows the winners name. I saw a comment on Facebook on the last England game saying we should bring Grxxxxxx on to get some free kicks around the box!!
 
Willie Carlin said:
Think every football knows the winners name. I saw a comment on Facebook on the last England game saying we should bring Grxxxxxx on to get some free kicks around the box!!
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You can here the Scotland fans tonight." Same old England,always cheating".
 
Like watching us...sideways, backwards, sideways, backwards...whilst ever England play with 2 defensive midfielders we will do f all
 
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Bert's Polish cleaner (Estera) announced today that England were rubbish because they kept passing it backwards and sideways.

She isn't wrong.
 
Bert said:
Bert's Polish cleaner (Estera) announced today that England were rubbish because they kept passing it backwards and sideways.

She isn't wrong.
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Gareth didn't seem to realise that though. Estera for England - Bert can always find himself another cleaner!
 
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