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AWetFlannel said:
Think it's all been said now, but my take on this is that people saw what they wanted to see. (Sorry for the essay).

I remember when we were terrible, but Brayford had come in and was a shining light of hope amongst the shite around him. Everything he did was praised and cheered. Late in one game, me and my dad (and most the crowd) applauded him passing the ball up the touchline to nobody. We looked at each other and laughed when we realised.

JLT is a scapegoat and some fans hate him. Some fans don't hate him personally, but think he's terrible, influenced in part by his error-filled start with us (as the team was declining as a whole) and his "unclassy" manner in possession. I think it's equally viable to see him in the way I do: a promotion winner, the only player with any testicles last season, captain material.

For those that don't like him, every mistake he makes is remarked on, remembered and catalogued. When Souttar got ripped to shreds by Isidor, it was forgotten before full time. When Anel defended terribly at Sunderland away for a goal, JLT's own embarrassing error overshadowed it.

When Holding came in to challenge JLT, everyone watched him carefully. Every average pass was remembered as classy and worthy of applause, every tackle lauded. When he clumsily trod on the ball early on (against Cardiff?) and the opposition wasted the chance, it wasn't mentioned in the matchday thread or any of the post match praise of his performance.
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All fair points and i totally agree, that if someone is the scapegoat all there slight mistakes get massively over exagerated, while favourites get away with more.

Yes, i remember the Cardiff fall over the ball and also a stray pass early on in the game.

I dont think ive knocked Robbo, but i do think Holding is better.

I put in a earlier post on the Holding thread, that i would be interested to know why Holding didnt get a sniff at Wembley.
I think i mentioned if it could be injury, attitude or CW favouring Robbo.
 
Blade56 said:
Can’t remember anyone making this point so I’ll do it. I’ve only watched goals back once because I dont want to. However, the Mayenda goal, ball was on their left side, Burrows appeared to be ball watching and ran over there, ball passed to a now unmarked Mayenda on their right and wrong side of Robinson. First time strike not giving Robinson time to adjust.

Think Burrows was as much to blame leaving Robinson exposed.

Not defending Robinson, Holding should have been on but in the same scenario the outcome might just have been the same.
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I thought exactly the same when I watched it back.
 
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AWetFlannel said:
Good post.

I think you exaggerate in parts, "incredibly" and "distressingly frail". It's easy to forget that with Souttar we were record-breaking, astonishingly good. That shouldn't be the bar, and the stats suggested that a fair bit of luck and over performance by the likes of Cooper was involved. Anel and JLT made for a good partnership and performed well, just not quite good enough to outdo the record breaking Burnley or compensate for our relatively meager attack compared to Leeds. I think it's rewriting history to remember JLT and Anel as a terrible partnership.

Holding was presumably not allowed the opportunity to do the same because he isn't as good and had fitness problems. Dean Hammond had plenty of higher level experience, as have numerous players who've arrived at the Lane on their way down and out of favour. He looked decent to me, but nothing like Souttar. Perhaps he would have with more starts, but I doubt it.
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Anal and JLT have certainly got themselves in the history book at the heart of a defence that conceded 100 goals last season both not good enough. Why shouldn't it be the bar? it was with Burnley their success was built on an organised defensive, as ours was until we lost Soutter.
And how can you compare Hammond and Holding together thats ludicrous.Holding needed games just as Soutter did whne he stepped in both Holding and Soutter moved the ball quicker and anticipated situations better than JLT and Anel, that was is plain to see.
 
It is not hindsight from the vast majority of fans who said on Boxing Day after Souttar’s injury that it was an immediate priority to replace him asap. We all saw how shit Anel & Robbo were together last season.

The fact that Wilder / The Club took until the last day of the January window to replace him & did not make it a priority is frankly ‘negligent’. So don’t try & tell me that people on here are being wise after the event. The fact then that Wilder was reluctant to trust Holding was baffling.
 
BigBed said:
I think it was always going to happen after how much we spent(wasted) on him.
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Yeah …. As I said earlier ….this is a big call by Wilder…. But as he’s our Manager for the start of next season - I hope he’s justified.
 

The thing with offering is Brewster a new contract is where is Wilder going to play him?

Left/Right midfield again?

Lads supposed to be a striker isn’t he.
 
paidsy said:
The fact we've offered Brewster anything is insane, nobody with an ounce of sense at the club.
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Brewster was excellent at Wembley. He looks the fittest he's looked since he's been here. Goals apart - in the last few matches his heading and passing have been exceptional.

I'm up for 1 more year like Wilder is - the decision is not as daft as you are makng out.
 
BigBed said:
Whoever we've retained Garbage is beyond me too, take the hit and release him, he idnt even a fucking footballer!
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Because he's still under contract (retained lists are usually for loanees and out of contract players), and if we released him, we'd have to pay up his remaining contract in full.

We signed him for cheap, if we can get our money back from someone for him, it's a win-win situation for all parties involved.
 
coolasanidiot said:
Brewster was excellent at Wembley. He looks the fittest he's looked since he's been here. Goals apart - in the last few matches his heading and passing have been exceptional.

I'm up for 1 more year like Wilder is - the decision is not as daft as you are makng out.
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If he was from the academy people would be saying he's a MUST have
 
Kenworthy’s Tash said:
Club have offered Brewster a new contract, fkin unbelievable, proof Wilder has completely lost the plot 😡😡😡
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Great more Brewster Wilder just wants to keep him believing he will come good that just won't happen he has been an anchor around the clubs neck for too long should have cut him loose and given someone else a chance.Wilder is so stubborn.Brewster won't leave until Wilder does.
 
If Brewster was playing off Moore up top or with anyone up top as part of a two I'm cool with that. But as a right winger or number ten as he's played of late he's not at his best because he can't take his man on, he's not got the touch/close interaction that O'Hare does but he can run, he gets into decent positions. I hope if he does stay that it's on vastly reduced terms and he plays up top.

Personally I'd rather release Brewster and look to buy a mote mobile, faster version of Moore so Moore us more of an impact sub but I appreciate that getting an improvement on Moore with pace may be beyond our budget. I do like Moore I may add and I think he can have a big part to play next season. Brewster I'm still not convinced on if honest.
 

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