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One of the worst referees I have seen at Bramall Lane last night, Cooper, no way that was a penalty, the Southampton player made sure there was a slight knock into Cooper to fall over.Pleased that the penalty was missed. We should have had two penalties. That free kick with the referee taking one giant step and nine smaller steps. Siddie's goal should have counted, but for that wanker referee. Hope we dont get him again.
 

reedy63 said:
One of the worst referees I have seen at Bramall Lane last night, Cooper, no way that was a penalty, the Southampton player made sure there was a slight knock into Cooper to fall over.Pleased that the penalty was missed. We should have had two penalties. That free kick with the referee taking one giant step and nine smaller steps. Siddie's goal should have counted, but for that wanker referee. Hope we dont get him again.
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Peck’s goal was the right decision, their keeper could have caught the ball if Cannon didn’t have hold of him.
 
MTBlade said:
I think this shows a worrying sign for me.

There is no consistency to the level of games he's refereed.

L2, L1 and EC have all been ticked off.

It's suprised me that although the games are all the same 'Step' in the league pyramid, the difference between L2 football and EC in every way is massive.
I would have thought they would have had a EC top end L1 list of refs who get used for those games.

Unfortunately he was very poor, but the fact is, it looks like the quality of refereeing is getting worse.

Reasons for this IMO, there aren't enough referees (im not suprised with the crap they get at grass roots level) and with less numbers available, the referees that aren't as good are getting higher up the ladder.

This isn't just referees, its football in general.

Looking locally, the County Senior League used to be classed as a good standard of football several years ago, but i think its one of the lowest ranked Saturday afternoon leagues locally now.
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A major problem with refereeing if you are a football fan is the way to progress up the ladder in this country tends to be through the county leagues through non league which eventually gives you the shout for EFL football. To encourage more referees into the adult football, they should move some of the fixtures they can to floodlit midweek leagues, Thursdays probably the best day or Saturday mornings although this might clash with junior footy so midweek might be better. With PL and other local investment I am sure you could have floodlights for a pitch for most leagues at a certain standard.
 
Houston_Blade said:
The worse one at the other end was when Tanganga got wiped out on a corner as the ball was recycled. Nailed on penalty with the ref and linesman both close enough to see it.
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I was in the BLUT, happened right in front of (below) me.
Also later but on the other side of the goal, a S'ton player had a fist full of the back of a United player's shirt as he tried to get to the ball before it went over the line. Again nothing given.
 
You will never convince me that was a penalty. If anything he kicked the ball out and ran into the keeper as much as the keeper slid into him.
And the little grin stewart gave to the kop after shows he knew he played for it.

Blowing for Canons grab on the keeper was actually a good spot (canon just keeps getting worse and worse for us) but then he misses the 2 penalty shouts and the 10 yard incident - which is up there with the Villa ghost goal as mind boggling ineptitude.
 
Houston_Blade said:
The worse one at the other end was when Tanganga got wiped out on a corner as the ball was recycled. Nailed on penalty with the ref and linesman both close enough to see it.
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This was a terrible decision. They went up the other end and got as soft a pen as you will see. And we get a goal disallowed for debatable holding. Very very poor ref.
 
Grey Blade said:
That's an interesting collection of comments. Don't normally get involved with slagging off referees as I'd hate to be put in their position, but if they're not competent they shouldn't be doing it
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It's either incompetence or there is something else going on.
 

To count 8 yards, then, after protest, count 8 again to justify the 8, well, what the actual fuxk? Clown of a ref.
 
I generally give refs the benefit if the doubt as they have a better view of any incident and they've actually read and been trained in the laws of the game unlike most of the supporters or players for that matter .

They've also got to manage a game of 22 players virtually all of whom will cheat at the drop of a hat to gain an advantage.

However Tuesdays night was a bit if a ' heads gone' match for the ref , a few poor decisions, the crowd on his back and he lost the plot and allowed the pressure to get to him .

I wouldn't question his integrity, or his knowledge etc , but his ability to cope with the pressure definitely.
The best refs dont know more than the others , they just maintain a cool head and make good decisions no matter what pressure their under . Suppose that's harder to train than the laws of the game .
 
The Fox said:
I wouldn't question his integrity, or his knowledge etc , but his ability to cope with the pressure definitely.
The best refs dont know more than the others , they just maintain a cool head and make good decisions no matter what pressure their under . Suppose that's harder to train than the laws of the game .
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I don't like accusations of corruption, largely because they're almost never accurate (and Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence or stupidity).

In this case, I will question his knowledge, particularly around the 8-yard wall. It's there, clearly and explicitly in Law 13 of LotG (10 yards or 9.15m). There's no excuse, because it's there in black-and-white.

The foul on Ogbene was just incompetence and appalling judgement. He was the last man, had the ball under control, and was moving directly towards goal. Because the player made no attempt to play or challenge for the ball, it's not covered by the double jeopardy rule for sendings-off in the area - it was red wherever the fouls was judged to have taken place.
 
We all get frustrated with refereeing performances sometimes but it does make me smile how hypocritical football fans are in terms of how they respond to comments about a referee depending on whether the perceived wrong decisions go for or against their team.
 
The 8 pace measuring was diabolical, you could clearly see from the relative positions to the penalty spot that the wall was far too close.
 
de g. said:
I don't like accusations of corruption, largely because they're almost never accurate (and Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence or stupidity).

In this case, I will question his knowledge, particularly around the 8-yard wall. It's there, clearly and explicitly in Law 13 of LotG (10 yards or 9.15m). There's no excuse, because it's there in black-and-white.

The foul on Ogbene was just incompetence and appalling judgement. He was the last man, had the ball under control, and was moving directly towards goal. Because the player made no attempt to play or challenge for the ball, it's not covered by the double jeopardy rule for sendings-off in the area - it was red wherever the fouls was judged to have taken place.
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Take your point but I doubt its his knowledge.
Suggesting he doesn't know its 10 yards is hard to believe .

He lost the plot and crumbled and made himself look like a prat as a result , it was almost petulance in showing he wasn't wrong . Total heads gone moment.

The ogbene thing IMHO was a foul , by then his head was all over the place and just couldn't see what was in front of him.

Not defending him , he had some proper brainfart moments which I can only put down to not being able to think and act logically and apply what he knows .
That in itself is not being suitable for this level ( or any level ) granted.
 
de g. said:
I don't like accusations of corruption, largely because they're almost never accurate (and Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence or stupidity).

In this case, I will question his knowledge, particularly around the 8-yard wall. It's there, clearly and explicitly in Law 13 of LotG (10 yards or 9.15m). There's no excuse, because it's there in black-and-white.

The foul on Ogbene was just incompetence and appalling judgement. He was the last man, had the ball under control, and was moving directly towards goal. Because the player made no attempt to play or challenge for the ball, it's not covered by the double jeopardy rule for sendings-off in the area - it was red wherever the fouls was judged to have taken place.
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Nicely written.

The Ogbene incident, I feel was the worst of the lot. It was glaringly obvious that he was shoved in the back, so much so that I fail to see how a person could physically make themself fly forwards under their own momentum like that. I definitely feel that the Referee either bottled giving the free kick because of the resultant red card, or worse, he didn't give it because of the stick he got just before and at half time and it was a massive "fuck you" to the fans/club/players.
 
niktheblade said:
Nicely written.

The Ogbene incident, I feel was the worst of the lot. It was glaringly obvious that he was shoved in the back, so much so that I fail to see how a person could physically make themself fly forwards under their own momentum like that. I definitely feel that the Referee either bottled giving the free kick because of the resultant red card, or worse, he didn't give it because of the stick he got just before and at half time and it was a massive "fuck you" to the fans/club/players.
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It's a recurring theme with me as to why the linos don't help out the refs more. They are fully qualified refs and often get a better view to make a decision. For some reason they just seem to stick to the basics of just giving throw ins and corners.
Perhaps the FA should look at ways to use all 3 officials in a better way, rather than their obsession with VAR
 
See Herczeg has extended his stay in Sheffield and is in charge of the Pigs game on Saturday v Coventry...
 
Ralph Blade said:
The 8 pace measuring was diabolical, you could clearly see from the relative positions to the penalty spot that the wall was far too close.
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Like I said O'Hare and Hamer couldn't fucking believe it as most of our players.

It's not just incompetence from the ref, nothing stopping the linesman getting involved and pointing it out. That said the same linesman SS side didn't even clock the foul on Ogbene.
 

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