Referee Intimidation

[silverfox]

Referee Intimidation - does it have an effect?

Well we see all the top teams doing it by crowding the ref at every decision that goes against them.

Chelsea and Manchester United have done it to great effect at the Lane I'd say.

Why did Keef get booked for the one tackle where others were let off??

Ferdinand never even got talked to after his bad foul in the second half.

There was no consistancy at all today with us being told constantly where to take our throws and they could just take them from where they liked.

I think that refs are scared of the rich little tarts!

 

[Linz]

Referees seem to think that we have no right to be where we are and like to actively look after the "money" in the game.

Manchester United aren't used to having a proper game of football, they rely heavily on the referee to let them off with things when they have the talent to be able to win a match easily with no help.

They have a squad we could only dream about affording and yet they go off like they do.

Pinching yards

Sneaky kicks on players

Pushing

Crowding the referee

Throwing themselves down like ragdolls

Appealing for penalties?!

And look what it gets them... three points.

What does that teach kids of today?

To win, you have to cheat and get away with it. If you have a big name, you invariably will.

 

[Bladesman]

Well most there chating tactics didnt work really. They never got a penalty no matter how much they dived and crowded the ref. They got 3 points coz they were the better team over 90mins and could of probably scored a hat full. True the ref was poor but so are all of them it seems to me. The refs dont seem much different to the shower shite in the division below. True it dosnt teach kids anything good but there isnt much about football that does teach any good these days. Fans throwing stuff, players cheating, idiot refs and its totally money orientated.

 

[Sharpy]

We need to do exactly what Man u do, fuck how proffesinal it is. It works.

 

[Linz]

We need to do exactly what Man u do, fuck how proffesinal it is. It works.

That's seemingly becoming the case but I'm not sure I'd be happy if we lowered ourselves to that.

Look at Bromby v. Everton... could've gone down and got a penalty but was too honest.

Where's Jack Lester when you need him?

 

[Bladesman]

Yea we need to do what man u do and attack teams and play football rather than camp for 90mins in your own half.

 

[silverfox]

Yea we need to do what man u do and attack teams and play football rather than camp for 90mins in your own half.

Here we go.....can we get back to the thread subject?

No one is disputing the result today whatsoever.

 

[7UpJordan]

That's seemingly becoming the case but I'm not sure I'd be happy if we lowered ourselves to that.

Look at Bromby v. Everton... could've gone down and got a penalty but was too honest.

Where's Jack Lester when you need him?

Kabba dived against Palace away last season, but he got booked for it and it was a stupid dive because he was blasting clear of their sluggish defence and was 1 on 1 against Kiraly.

 

[jodman]

This really gets my back up and seems to be something that is happening more and more. I cannot see why a rule cannot be put in place where ALL players that gather around the refreee are booked wihtout exception. I know that Giggs did get a card but there were other occasions where the Man Utd players were surrounding the ref and he just let it go, it also happened against Chelsea.

I do not want to see us doing it because i think it is an ugly part of the game, just as i do not want to see us diving in order to win penalties and feigning injury to get oppopsition players sent off.

 

[Robbie]

Whilst agreeing in theory with you jodman RE giving yellow cards to people who surround the ref. In practical I don't.

It's high tempo and when it is blatantly clear a pen should be awarded to you, you will always feel agrieved. Whilst yes there is no justification in everyone surrounding the referee, why should they not be able to protest against such a decision.

Referee's are very rarely punished for what can cost clubs millions. If a manager says something about a ref he is reprimanded by the FA. If players surround a ref the club is reprimanded by the FA. So where can you put your case across? A ref assessor will certainly not come out and say a referee was poor and then take appropriate action for such poor refereeing. So what can you do?

In the heat of the moment when playing football you want justification, and whilst you know the ref will not change his mind, the ref does need to know if a clear mistake has been made. Other wise he will go away and think that he has had a good game when clearly he hasn't.

 

[jodman]

I take your points on board and as someone who has been playing competitive football for over 10 years (school, Uni and Sunday league) i know all about the kind of emotions that are stirred up as a result of poor refereeing.

However I disagree with your point about referees thinking they have had a good game unless they get a verbal battering from players after a contentious decision.

Refs are scrutinised more then you probably realise and if they do make a bad decision that costs millions of pounds to a club, there will be a queue a mile long with people ready to let the ref and the footballing world know just how badly that official has performed.

I don’t mind players having a moan, I don’t even mind them criticising the referee from a distance but getting into the face of a ref is absolutely unacceptable and should be more severely punished.

Moreover the groups that confront the ref and, in certain cases, chase the officials to get their point across should see their clubs as well as themselves punished for their efforts.

Its only my opinion, but I feel pretty strongly about it

 

[silverfox]

I don’t mind players having a moan, I don’t even mind them criticising the referee from a distance but getting into the face of a ref is absolutely unacceptable and should be more severely punished.

Moreover the groups that confront the ref and, in certain cases, chase the officials to get their point across should see their clubs as well as themselves punished for their efforts.

Its only my opinion, but I feel pretty strongly about it

I'd agree with that......a few hefty punishments for ref crowding is perhaps needed to sort it out.

A couple of clubs losing points would soon sort it.

 

[Come from away]

This is not something you can ask the Ref to do when it happens (handing out some mass caution fro crowding the Ref) - it is just as likely to cause trouble. However, the League could come down on the Club after the game - it is little different from crowd control and other safety issues. If it cost the club enough money, the managers would soon take care of it.

 

[Robbie]

A topic kinda related to it.

Looked at the fair play league yesterday, and arsenal have been deemed the fairest with only 19 yellow cards. We are midway down with same amount of yellow cards and one red. Chelsea are deemed fairer even though they have more yellow/red cards than us, but have commited less fouls.

If Arsene Wenger can sort his whinging foreigners out, I don't see why people like fergie/mourinho can not.

 

[Sensiblade]

A topic kinda related to it.

Looked at the fair play league yesterday, and arsenal have been deemed the fairest with only 19 yellow cards. We are midway down with same amount of yellow cards and one red. Chelsea are deemed fairer even though they have more yellow/red cards than us, but have commited less fouls.

If Arsene Wenger can sort his whinging foreigners out, I don't see why people like fergie/mourinho can not.

Arsenal have really cleaned up there act from how they were a few years ago.
Seem to have been a lot less dirty since Viera left them, coincidence?

 

[jodman]

The manager of a team can stop this problem by simply letting their players know it won't be tolerated and if they jump on board then the problem would disappear.

I suppose that the reason this doesn't happned is because occasionally a decision by a ref can set in montion events that could cost an under pressure manager his job.