Recruitment

[Edinblade]

It appears the recruitment excuse Hecky kept using was not appropriate. If the new players keep going the way they are, the recruitment has been excellent. The fault lies totally with Hecky who couldn’t get a tune from any of them.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Unfortunately, as a few of us suspected, it appears many of the newbies that couldn’t get a look in, are orders of magnitude better.

 

[Nick Jansky]

It appears the recruitment excuse Hecky kept using was not appropriate. If the new players keep going the way they are, the recruitment has been excellent. The fault lies totally with Hecky who couldn’t get a tune from any of them.

That can’t be right. I’ve seen various “experts” on here saying that all of the new players were completely shit.

 

[Snowflake]

It appears the recruitment excuse Hecky kept using was not appropriate. If the new players keep going the way they are, the recruitment has been excellent. The fault lies totally with Hecky who couldn’t get a tune from any of them.

Let’s not get carried away !!
The new players have enabled us to score one goal in two matches and that by a loanee who was here last year.
I share your optimism that Hamer, Trusty , Slimane and Souza will be good enough at this level, but we are short of clear evidence at present.
Let‘s review in early January.

 

[steve26272]

Fair observation

Interesting to see that he was happy to throw some players in, Ndaiye, Jebbo, Traore
But equally unwilling or very late in getting others in - Doyle & McAtee last season, Slimane & Brooks

Hecky doesn’t seem the type to bear grudges, but it does beg the question what did he, or didn’t he see in 4 months when hat Wilders done twice in a week??

 

[Aston max]

Personally we need spinal players, Gk CH,CM and another striker who's a but more clever at pulling fouls and taking the pressure away
4 will do thank you very much

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The moved on players will be the ones with contracts up. I can't see anyone paying much for them maybe jebbo but he's been MIA for so long

 

[Rodley]

Let’s be right, the new signings looked completely abysmal under Hecky and were called out on that. At times there was a lack of effort. Statistically they were part of the worst team in any major top flight league and under the eye test they looked even worse.

They get a clean slate with a new coach and there’s been a significant improvement under Wilder. People are acknowledging that.

You don’t have to be an “expert” or an expert to recognise that. It’s fact.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Let’s be right, the new signings looked completely abysmal under Hecky and were called out on that. At times there was a lack of effort. Statistically they were part of the worst team in any major top flight league and with the eye test they looked even worse.

They get a clean slate with a new coach and there’s been a significant improvement under Wilder. People are acknowledging that.

You don’t have to be an “expert” or an expert to recognise that. It’s fact.

Calling them out for their performances is one thing. That’s fine (although sometimes wide of the mark). Writing them off as completely shit and not good enough for L1 is something else again. Plenty of examples of it to be found.

 

[Rodley]

Calling them out for their performances is one thing. That’s fine (although sometimes wide of the mark). Writing them off as completely shit and not good enough for L1 is something else again. Plenty of examples of it to be found.

They looked way off the level and the statistics bear that out. A quarter of the season is usually a decent amount of time to assess a players efficacy.

The only people sat, legitimately, on any high ground here are those who extolled CW’s virtues. Because his impact has been nothing short of miraculous.

 

[Nick Jansky]

They looked way off the level and the statistics bear that out. A quarter of the season is usually a decent amount of time to assess a players efficacy.

That might be the case but the people making those assessments are being shown to be pretty clueless aren’t they.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

It appears the recruitment excuse Hecky kept using was not appropriate. If the new players keep going the way they are, the recruitment has been excellent. The fault lies totally with Hecky who couldn’t get a tune from any of them.

With the greatest respect to Hecky, I’ve stopped mumping about the various things that didn’t work out for him - the future has begun with a really good win yesterday.

 

[Carlton Blade]

With the greatest respect to Hecky, I’ve stopped mumping about the various things that didn’t work out for him - the future has begun with a really good win yesterday.

The King is dead etc

 

[Carlton Blade]

United can't afford players who are going to a success in any circumstances, versatility is a world class trait. They are all system dependant, role dependant or whatever description you want to give.

Slimane is a great example. Listed as a CM, PH seemed reticent to play him because of his defensive limitations. Wilder stuck him in a front 3 and he got to show off his attacking ability. That's where managers earn their money. Getting their players in the best place to showcase their strengths while hiding their weaknesses

 

[georgebernardshaw]

The King is dead etc

That’s right, we’re the world’s worst in thinking about the past and slagging off previous United managers and players.

If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always have what you always had

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

I've just been considering some overall ratings on the signings we've made (including loans with options to buy).

Grbic - 3/10
Traore - 3/10
Slimane - 4/10
Larouci - 3/10
Trusty - 4/10
Davies - 4/10
Archer - 7/10
Souza - 7/10
Hamer - 8/10

I doubt that Prince or Bettis care about how good or bad individual players are as they seem more interested in buying low & selling high, regardless of whether they are a good fit.

Hopefully the embarrassment of relegation has inspired them into action with the Jamie Hoyland appointment - but I sincerely hope anybody with a shred of responsibility for the 23/24 recruitment shitshow shall not be anywhere near the 24/25 recruitment team.

 

[SwissBlade]

I've just been considering some overall ratings on the signings we've made (including loans with options to buy).

Grbic - 3/10
Traore - 3/10
Slimane - 4/10
Larouci - 3/10
Trusty - 4/10
Davies - 4/10
Archer - 7/10
Souza - 7/10
Hamer - 8/10

I doubt that Prince or Bettis care about how good or bad individual players are as they seem more interested in buying low & selling high, regardless of whether they are a good fit.

Hopefully the embarrassment of relegation has inspired them into action with the Jamie Hoyland appointment - but I sincerely hope anybody with a shred of responsibility for the 23/24 recruitment shitshow shall not be anywhere near the 24/25 recruitment team.

Davies has played in how many games? The John Ebrell of this season

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

Davies has played in how many games? The John Ebrell of this season

He's looked well in cameo performances at Luton and Bournemouth away.

If we can sort his fitness issues out we've got a match winning player, but I am sceptical as to whether our Physios & Conditioning Staff can make the breakthrough that Everton couldn't over the last 2-3 years.

 

[petcharlie]

This summer is crunch time for the club with regards to signing players and resigning players that are already here . We have to get it right otherwise it could take years to overcome a bad window . Now I understand that money is a problem but in the last window we threw money down the drain ,money that we could ill afford to waste . Two million here 3 million there the odd 3 or 4 million there yet most of the signings have flopped ,I know they were cheap but whats the point in bringing in cheap players if they dont add anything to the squad ,Rather bring in one decent player than 3 or 4 who have no chance have making the squad . I understand bringing in young unproven youngsters for our Academy but the guys we brought in for the first team have mainly failed .Just hope our shake up in the recruitment dept makes a much needed difference . NO UNFIT OR LAME DUCKS PLEASE.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

This summer is crunch time for the club with regards to signing players and resigning players that are already here . We have to get it right otherwise it could take years to overcome a bad window . Now I understand that money is a problem but in the last window we threw money down the drain ,money that we could ill afford to waste . Two million here 3 million there the odd 3 or 4 million there yet most of the signings have flopped ,I know they were cheap but whats the point in bringing in cheap players if they dont add anything to the squad ,Rather bring in one decent player than 3 or 4 who have no chance have making the squad . I understand bringing in young unproven youngsters for our Academy but the guys we brought in for the first team have mainly failed .Just hope our shake up in the recruitment dept makes a much needed difference . NO UNFIT OR LAME DUCKS PLEASE.

I worry about our clubs short sightedness.

There could be a player in League One capable of replacing Norwood long term. Let's say Norwood was on £30k per week. If we didn't re-sign him we now have £30k per week to play with. Let's say the League One player was on £10k per week and we paid him £18k per week, now we've replaced Norwood and saved £12k per week, which could potentially pay another player or help reduce the overall wage bill.

On top of that we're allegedly paying Holgate £70k per week. That's approximately £1.4mil for his short loan. If we have £1.4mil to spend then put it towards the transfer fee of the League One player instead of a player who won't belong to us. In fact the £12k per week saved on Norwood's wages would amount to £624k over a year. So we'd have £2mil to go towards the fee and we'd have the wages free to pay the player.

Would Sheffield United do this? No. We'd waste £2-3mil on a loan signing who'd we have to replace the next season, or we'd spend the £30k per week saved on Norwood on four players, each on £5-8k per week in the hope that one of them might turn out good.

This next window is arguably the most important one in our recent history, and I for one am worried, as we have a poor record for wasting money on dross who we can't offload, or can't get money back on, wasting big money on expensive loan signings leaving us short when they leave, and generally just making a mess of recruitment through short sightedness and no clear and obvious long-term transfer strategy.

 

[b1ade4life]

I've just been considering some overall ratings on the signings we've made (including loans with options to buy).

Grbic - 3/10
Traore - 3/10
Slimane - 4/10
Larouci - 3/10
Trusty - 4/10
Davies - 4/10
Archer - 7/10
Souza - 7/10
Hamer - 8/10

I doubt that Prince or Bettis care about how good or bad individual players are as they seem more interested in buying low & selling high, regardless of whether they are a good fit.

Hopefully the embarrassment of relegation has inspired them into action with the Jamie Hoyland appointment - but I sincerely hope anybody with a shred of responsibility for the 23/24 recruitment shitshow shall not be anywhere near the 24/25 recruitment team.

Garbic a 3, how??

 

[Balti Pie]

I worry about our clubs short sightedness.

There could be a player in League One capable of replacing Norwood long term. Let's say Norwood was on £30k per week. If we didn't re-sign him we now have £30k per week to play with. Let's say the League One player was on £10k per week and we paid him £18k per week, now we've replaced Norwood and saved £12k per week, which could potentially pay another player or help reduce the overall wage bill.

On top of that we're allegedly paying Holgate £70k per week. That's approximately £1.4mil for his short loan. If we have £1.4mil to spend then put it towards the transfer fee of the League One player instead of a player who won't belong to us. In fact the £12k per week saved on Norwood's wages would amount to £624k over a year. So we'd have £2mil to go towards the fee and we'd have the wages free to pay the player.

Would Sheffield United do this? No. We'd waste £2-3mil on a loan signing who'd we have to replace the next season, or we'd spend the £30k per week saved on Norwood on four players, each on £5-8k per week in the hope that one of them might turn out good.

This next window is arguably the most important one in our recent history, and I for one am worried, as we have a poor record for wasting money on dross who we can't offload, or can't get money back on, wasting big money on expensive loan signings leaving us short when they leave, and generally just making a mess of recruitment through short sightedness and no clear and obvious long-term transfer strategy.

You'd like us to spend £18k p/w on a League One midfielder?!

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

You'd like us to spend £18k p/w on a League One midfielder?!

No, it was an example of how we can make this transfer window work for us by freeing up funds by not wasting them on expensive loan signings, and resigning has beens on big wages. I wouldn't expect any player from League One to earn anything close to that, though there will be some pushing close to £10k+.

 

[Shawy24]

I worry about our clubs short sightedness.

There could be a player in League One capable of replacing Norwood long term. Let's say Norwood was on £30k per week. If we didn't re-sign him we now have £30k per week to play with. Let's say the League One player was on £10k per week and we paid him £18k per week, now we've replaced Norwood and saved £12k per week, which could potentially pay another player or help reduce the overall wage bill.

On top of that we're allegedly paying Holgate £70k per week. That's approximately £1.4mil for his short loan. If we have £1.4mil to spend then put it towards the transfer fee of the League One player instead of a player who won't belong to us. In fact the £12k per week saved on Norwood's wages would amount to £624k over a year. So we'd have £2mil to go towards the fee and we'd have the wages free to pay the player.

Would Sheffield United do this? No. We'd waste £2-3mil on a loan signing who'd we have to replace the next season, or we'd spend the £30k per week saved on Norwood on four players, each on £5-8k per week in the hope that one of them might turn out good.

This next window is arguably the most important one in our recent history, and I for one am worried, as we have a poor record for wasting money on dross who we can't offload, or can't get money back on, wasting big money on expensive loan signings leaving us short when they leave, and generally just making a mess of recruitment through short sightedness and no clear and obvious long-term transfer strategy.

You know Prince Abdullah the Agent won’t change his plans. He’s in it for the money though his commercial judgment in relation to value of a yo yo club in need of investment to realistic honest and solvent buyers is way off. May be wrong but I suspect we’ll see more of the same of looking to buy cheap, showcase and sell on. Works well if you can spot a player like Leicester’s Mavididi or you get lucky with an Ndiaye. But whoever is responsible for Traore Larouchi Grbic and even Souza is not serving Princes interests nor our interests at all. As it stands, we are “lucky” that the expense of Archer and McAtee will be gone, but beware the sale of the valuable and saleable assets of the club like Arblaster and Hamer to fund even more foreign league hopefuls. I certainly am.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

You know Prince Abdullah the Agent won’t change his plans. He’s in it for the money though his commercial judgment in relation to value of a yo yo club in need of investment to realistic honest and solvent buyers is way off. May be wrong but I suspect we’ll see more of the same of looking to buy cheap, showcase and sell on. Works well if you can spot a player like Leicester’s Mavididi or you get lucky with an Ndiaye. But whoever is responsible for Traore Larouchi Grbic and even Souza is not serving Princes interests nor our interests at all. As it stands, we are “lucky” that the expense of Archer and McAtee will be gone, but beware the sale of the valuable and saleable assets of the club like Arblaster and Hamer to fund even more foreign league hopefuls. I certainly am.

Arblaster won't be going anywhere this summer. He's got potential but he's nowhere near ready for other Premier League clubs to poach him. I could possibly see Hamer leaving if the price was right or he put in a transfer request. I'd rather offload De Souza and keep Hamer, but I can't see who would prefer De Souza over Hamer. The one thing in our favour is that Hamer has hardly stood out in the Premier League. Promoted clubs would consider him a risk to that extent and might be put off.

I have no problem with foriegn recruitment as many clubs such as Brentford and Coventry have gotten it so right in the Championship with good scouting. Our scouting sucks with the exception of finding good young players for the academy.

 

[Pedro Verde]

I worry about our clubs short sightedness.

There could be a player in League One capable of replacing Norwood long term. Let's say Norwood was on £30k per week. If we didn't re-sign him we now have £30k per week to play with. Let's say the League One player was on £10k per week and we paid him £18k per week, now we've replaced Norwood and saved £12k per week, which could potentially pay another player or help reduce the overall wage bill.

Which League One player we talking about ? If there is one who says we are not in conversations

On top of that we're allegedly paying Holgate £70k per week.

Cant see us paying 70k per week for Holgate

This next window is arguably the most important one in our recent history, and I for one am worried, as we have a poor record for wasting money on dross who we can't offload,

I have to agree with you on that point

wasting big money on expensive loan signings leaving us short when they leave, and generally just making a mess of recruitment through short sightedness and no clear and obvious long-term transfer strategy.

The only big loan signings we have made this season have been McAtee and BBD both have been a success
I also think Holgate as done well recently

 

[Shawy24]

Calvert Lewis wasn’t going anywhere either. Bye! If he’s valuable and his agent recommends it, he’s gone. The only thing in our favour is that he’s not been tested over a season. However don’t expect clubs like Leeds Leicester with Premiership money or Everton not to tempt him.

 

[BalticBlade]

Calvert Lewis wasn’t going anywhere either. Bye! If he’s valuable and his agent recommends it, he’s gone. The only thing in our favour is that he’s not been tested over a season. However don’t expect clubs like Leeds Leicester with Premiership money or Everton not to tempt him.

To be fair, Everton came in with a huge bid for Calvert Lewin that we couldn't refuse. £800k.

 

[Shawy24]

To be fair, I thought they over paid for Calvert Lewin. Shows what I know. Now Calvert Lewis,……

 

[bertieblade]

To be fair, Everton came in with a huge bid for Calvert Lewin that we couldn't refuse. £800k.

We were not to know he would be worth the money he was going to be and we were in need of valuable funds to rebuild the squad.
we could be critical of some deals with McCabe involved but not that one