Ramsdale--our worst signing ever?

[FMBlade1]

Wilder will never drop him as doing so is an admission that it was a mistake for him to have signed him.

We're going to have to deal with Ramsdale's crap performances for as long as Wilder is here.

 

[alcoblade]

And if we get relegated is it going to be the biggest footballing shock of all time? Not really.

Dean Henderson wouldn’t have kept us mid table this season. There are a whole variety of issues as to why we are where we are. Not just Ramsdale.

if we play next season in the championship we are not under achieving. That is our level. On a good day we are a premier league side. JUST.

The bottom line is Ramsdale is still in the top half of championship goalkeepers, the bottom line is the haters and scape goat lovers can’t take it.

We wouldn’t have been mid table, but we would definitely be in with a chance of staying up.

 

[Chris53153]

Said it on another thread. If the keepers we have aren't kicking the managers door down asking when they get their chance loan someone who is capable of applying some healthy competition. Sticking with a confidence shot keeper isn't going to help us or the keeper, whoever it is. This season is heartbreaking to watch but accepting it, rolling over and potentially beating derbys record is unforgivable.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Dean Henderson wouldn’t have kept us mid table this season. There are a whole variety of issues as to why we are where we are. Not just Ramsdale.

With all due respect mate, they are distinct and separate points. I believe it's called presenting a strawman argument?

Would Henderson have kept us in mistable? Probably not.

Has Ramsdale done enough to warrant a starting place? No, not on current evidence.

I agree, the issue is much bigger but it is one area that we need to improve.

 

[JS Blade]

Agreed, because Henderson is a better goalkeeper.

Ramsdale was signed because he was cheap.

Bournemouth had money owed to us wiped clean which is in essence a money voucher.

For money we didn’t have.

If we didn’t take that offer they may have been paying for Ramsdale another 5 years. We also wouldn’t have had that money to pay for another goalkeeper.

The Management and Board felt it was the right decision and in return we would get a young, upcoming, good standard goalkeeper.

It’s not worked out as they envisagedeveryone makes mistakes.

let’s not all turn our backs and turn into keyboard warrior armchair football managers. Like a portion of the idiots already do on this forum.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

I’ve defended this kid to the hilt and would say he and Brewster will probably come into their own next season at a lower level. But even I, (the eternal optimist) can’t see a way forward for Ramsdale. If he’s low on confidence now, lord knows how he would be with a grumbling crowd on his back.

 

[alcoblade]

Agreed, because Henderson is a better goalkeeper.

Ramsdale was signed because he was cheap.

Bournemouth had money owed to us wiped clean which is in essence a money voucher.

For money we didn’t have.

If we didn’t take that offer they may have been paying for Ramsdale another 5 years. We also wouldn’t have had that money to pay for another goalkeeper.

The Management and Board felt it was the right decision and in return we would get a young, upcoming, good standard goalkeeper.

It’s not worked out as they envisagedeveryone makes mistakes.

let’s not all turn our backs and turn into keyboard warrior armchair football managers. Like a portion of the idiots already do on this forum.

You keep making the point that we got him cheap because Bournemouth owed us money.

This is just factually incorrect.

 

[alcoblade]

I’ve defended this kid to the hilt and would say he and Brewster will probably come into their own next season at a lower level. But even I, (the eternal optimist) can’t see a way forward for Ramsdale. If he’s low on confidence now, lord knows how he would be with a grumbling crowd on his back.

Forget the crowd (though I agree), many of the errors being made are nothing to do with the level he’s playing at.

He doesn’t look like a keeper at any level at this present time.

 

[andy m]

Wilder will never drop him as doing so is an admission that it was a mistake for him to have signed him.

We're going to have to deal with Ramsdale's crap performances for as long as Wilder is here.

And I thought your posts about Ched Evans were boring.

 

[JS Blade]

In a sense that we saved money, yes it is factually incorrect. We didn’t.

The same amount of money was spent regardless of wether we wrote off debt from a previous transfer. Your right , well done.

The fact it handed us money we didn’t have in the bank, which then led the club to believe we were getting a higher calibre keeper than the ones we had straight funds for and could afford is also correct.

The club/manager bought the goalkeeper they wanted at the time. Everyone is allowed an opinion on this.

Another fact is - He isn’t our worse signing.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Sticky period? He’s been absolutely abysmal in just about every game for us. Standing by him is costing us goals and in league games, points too. He has been shown lacking in all the goalkeeping basics.

Only Wilder’s stubbornness is keeping him in the team.

Wish he had sticky gloves.

 

[bypassblade]

Ramsdale & Brewster are both on zero confidence TBH the goal today Ramsdale should have thrown his cap on it, instead it squirmed embarrassingly under him. I just think that Brewster is trying too hard to score now and nothing is happening, both are young but unless Wilder acts they both look like neither being able to regain confidence. I will also add that neither player tho can be called our worst ever signing, there have been a lot worse.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Ramsdale & Brewster for ~£40m have been to date a complete waste of money. Ramsdale is heart in mouth time evertime the ball goes near him and Brewster, well god knows what he's all about but Klopp has had our pants down big time.

 

[steve26272]

Take it you never saw Brian Howard or Steve Simonson or George long.. the list goes on but you get my point. Fwiw, rammers in the net last season (with the defence from last season) would be almost as good as hendo. People forget Henderson has his weaknesses... Near post for a start.

Long came through the youth, Simmo was a free and Howard about £500k
cost is a massive contributor to value for money

just 2 years before we bought Ramsdale, Arsenal paid £19m for Bernd Leno, champions league player, full international
let that sink in, give or take a bit of loose change in football terms, we paid the same for Ramsdale as Arsenal paid for Leno?!

and not a chance, Hendo filled the defence with confidence, made some ridiculous saves and will go on to be England’s number 1 for many years
Ramsdale will struggle to be number 1 for championship Blades if CW walks and he looses his guaranteed start status

he doesn’t command the area, poor distribution, dives over the ball, and on crosses, ‘kin hell he develops thalidomide arms

so yes, goods received against cost outlayed , worse ever

 

[1066blade]

£130 million? And we're worse now than back then,.....

Think about it.....

Go on Chris, have a fukin go at your critics now.

 

[tyneblade]

just 2 years before we bought Ramsdale, Arsenal paid £19m for Bernd Leno, champions league player, full international
let that sink in, give or take a bit of loose change in football terms, we paid the same for Ramsdale as Arsenal paid for Leno?!

Arsenal paid 19m for the right to give Leno a contract. My guess is that Leno is on three times Ramsdale's wage, at least so the costs to the respective clubs are not comparable.

Guessing that the same is true of Brewster and McBurnie, ultimately our wage structure is the constraint on getting proven low risk players.

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

Hi Stegosaurus here,


Time for a bump I think given Rammers keeps dropping clangers

Hi Sportbilly here,

Better than Martin Hodge?

 

[ZLB]

Far from our worse signing. I wasn't convinced when we signed him but worst, nope. I've never done this before but I smell pork and I hate it when people call out people as pigs on here but given you signed up on the 1st December I'll stand by what I said.

Pork? Hmm. Very astute. Apply for a job in CID.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Genuine question based on a hunch.

Does the kid have eye sight issues ??

Not ideal for a keeper if so !!!

UTB

 

[Houston_Blade]

Genuine question based on a hunch.

Does the kid have eye sight issues ??

Not ideal for a keeper if so !!!

UTB

You’d probably need his optician to tell you that.

I’m more worried about the holes in his body that the ball keeps going through.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Genuine question based on a hunch.

Does the kid have eye sight issues ??

Not ideal for a keeper if so !!!

UTB

I think he wear contacts. Looked like he needed help with one against Brizzle Rovers.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

In terms of number of incidents of elevated heart rate, Rammers is one of the most exciting players we’ve had.

 

[DronnieBlade]

I think he wear contacts. Looked like he needed help with one against Brizzle Rovers.

That’s where my hunch originates fella.

Eye sight issues in a very young keeper having, let’s be brutally honest, a mare, raises significant questions, once again, about our recruitment process.

UTB

 

[sportinguista]

I wouldn’t be too concerned if Ramsdale was as well tbh.

Can’t believe I’m defending him to this extent but if it wasn’t for Simonsen we’d have lost that Huddersfield play off in normal time.

However, it it also wasn’t for Simonsen we’d probably still be taking the penalties now and half of us would be dead from sun stroke.

Fuck me wasn't that a tedious day out?

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

That’s where my hunch originates fella.

Eye sight issues in a very young keeper having, let’s be brutally honest, a mare, raises significant questions, once again, about our recruitment process.

UTB

You’d think they would have checked something so basic though...
If Rammers calls me I can always lend him my beer goggles. They’re fookin’ foolproof.

 

[steve26272]

Arsenal paid 19m for the right to give Leno a contract. My guess is that Leno is on three times Ramsdale's wage, at least so the costs to the respective clubs are not comparable.

Guessing that the same is true of Brewster and McBurnie, ultimately our wage structure is the constraint on getting proven low risk players.

Agreed on wages, but doesn’t alter the fact that’s he cost us the same in transfer fee,

But £18.5m across a 4 year contract is £89k per week, added to his wages- £30k per? Means if he sees out his contract and goes on a free he will have cost us £120k pw, sure we could have picked up a free transfer and given him a lower basic for a better keeper,

But yes our wage structure is a hamstring

However I suspect that Berge, Ramsdale and Brewster are all on more than our established players, and they finished 10th last season

For what it’s worth, Matt Ryan was on £35k at Brighton, and we could have probably got for less than £5m in the summer

For someone (CW) who alleges no sentiment, the purchase, and continued playing of crisp packet hands / cullinder body seems a bit rich

 

[DronnieBlade]

£50 grand a week.

Eek emoji !!!!!!

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

In a sense that we saved money, yes it is factually incorrect. We didn’t.

The same amount of money was spent regardless of wether we wrote off debt from a previous transfer. Your right , well done.

The fact it handed us money we didn’t have in the bank, which then led the club to believe we were getting a higher calibre keeper than the ones we had straight funds for and could afford is also correct.

The club/manager bought the goalkeeper they wanted at the time. Everyone is allowed an opinion on this.

Another fact is - He isn’t our worse signing.

Hardly any, if any, fees are paid up front.

The fact that Bournemouth still owed us has nothing to do with the transfer. We were getting that money on a scheduled timeframe.

We could (and possibly have) borrowed against it if we needed to.

Your point just doesn’t make any sense.

 

[Houston_Blade]

It should have given the game away when he turned up to the medical like this.

 

[GEARYstolemyBEER]

Agreed on wages, but doesn’t alter the fact that’s he cost us the same in transfer fee,

But £18.5m across a 4 year contract is £89k per week, added to his wages- £30k per? Means if he sees out his contract and goes on a free he will have cost us £120k pw, sure we could have picked up a free transfer and given him a lower basic for a better keeper,

But yes our wage structure is a hamstring

However I suspect that Berge, Ramsdale and Brewster are all on more than our established players, and they finished 10th last season

For what it’s worth, Matt Ryan was on £35k at Brighton, and we could have probably got for less than £5m in the summer

For someone (CW) who alleges no sentiment, the purchase, and continued playing of crisp packet hands / cullinder body seems a bit rich

And Ryan is one of Berge’s best mates, going back to their Gene days. Went on holiday together during the summer!