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dn5 shaun said:
And if we miss out on promotion by 2 pts there will only be one person to blame, Just like the most embarrassing season in our history. Hammered every week with players who couldn't stand up after a hour last season.
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I give you Leeds and Middlesbrough if we’re apportioning blame. Balls up of Warnock/Villa proportions.
 

Carlton Blade said:
Not at all. But unless there's now an endless conveyor of Championship ready teenagers, a couple s season then it's fair to say luck plays a part.

There's good process, ideas and implementation at the academy and really good people in senior positions. It's a shame it wasn't replicated across the whole club
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I forgot this is one of your l know everything issues. Apologies.
 
Carlton Blade said:
Not at all. But unless there's now an endless conveyor of Championship ready teenagers, a couple s season then it's fair to say luck plays a part.

There's good process, ideas and implementation at the academy and really good people in senior positions. It's a shame it wasn't replicated across the whole club
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True. With good people in senior positions, we could be top of the league by now.
 
crazyblade1889 said:
Give your head a wobble son. If we achieve promotion this year (still a long way to go admittedly) it will be 3 promotions to the top flight in 6 years. That would have seemed unthinkable before his arrival.
He’s overseen one of our most successful periods of the club. He’s bought players for big money (numerous 20 million pound buys). He’s backed managers and seems a top bloke. Whatever happens he deserves massive respect
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Couldn’t agree more.
 
Greasy Chap Butty said:
I'm not saying it's flawless. It's been good.

Your comment "1st team success papered over the cracks" sums up your mentality.
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My mentality? The clubs continued existence as a top 2 division entity is entirely dependant on getting promoted and earning parachute payments. Nothing has changed from when he took over 🤷
 
I know he's made a few fuck up in his time running the club, But i cant name a better chairman this club has had and backing he gave us
 
Carlton Blade said:
My mentality? The clubs continued existence as a top 2 division entity is entirely dependant on getting promoted and earning parachute payments. Nothing has changed from when he took over 🤷
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As opposed to what? Debt, or a benefactor billionaire? Maybe you can enlighten us in these other methods he should have employed.
 

Greasy Chap Butty said:
PL level? And for for getting the ground back. As mentioned it's all bleak in Carlton.
You didn't offer other methods btw.
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How is "some good, some not so good" bleak? You seem to think he should get unreserved praise, I don't.

I don't enjoy these sort of conversations on the internet, rarely ends well. The other methods? Put a senior structure in place above the manager that sets a culture and ways of working through the whole club, allowing the manager to concentrate on 1st team only. But base it at the club and make it about the club. The club is way too reliant on 2 individuals
 
McGrath said:
I really don't get the fawning over him.

If him and McCabe hadn't have hired Wilder 8 years ago, then we may still be in the wilderness now.

Most of the infrastructure we have was built before he came along e.g. academy

He's also managed to get us a points deduction, lost players like N'Diaye and drag us through a messy court case with his partner
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He didn't lose n, Ndiaye he left us in shit creek
 
Forgive the cynicism, but there's more than an undercurrent of willing fellatio at play. Abdullah's not the worst we've had but
by gum he's far from the best. I get that an owner will have a self-serving agenda, but last season revealed how unwilling Abdullah
was to invest, and thus an inevitable relegation fight had begun in August. Makes you wonder what the point of promotion was meant to be?
 
jt64 said:
Is this some sort of meme that has flown over my head?
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Ha, not that I know of mate. Was meaning I've held the full range of opinions during his time and probably now think the opposite of what I have done at various points
 
The Prince has learned a lot about himself since he joined the club. He has learned the importance of separating the football side and the business management side of owning a football club club in the English system.
Has he made mistakes? Yes he has. Will he leave the club in a better position than when he started? Yes he will.
The football side is doing well now, and the club assets are all under one ownership. Despite his obvious ambition (United World), the club is on a sound footing financially. He has, eventually found a group suitable for the future investment in SUFC as a Football business.
If he has flaws, they have been his ambition and his lack of football experience.
He goes, having done the best he could for the club and the community under the circumstances. GLTTL.
 
itsinyerblood said:
Forgive the cynicism, but there's more than an undercurrent of willing fellatio at play. Abdullah's not the worst we've had but
by gum he's far from the best. I get that an owner will have a self-serving agenda, but last season revealed how unwilling Abdullah
was to invest, and thus an inevitable relegation fight had begun in August. Makes you wonder what the point of promotion was meant to be?
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Who is the best then ?
 
His legacy is - club now have all assets back under its control. We own all of it again. Including finally getting back Boundary corner.
We have balanced the books. We have bought substantial amount of land for new training facility. We are top of the championship.
we have had much worse owners, mcabe nearly ruined us. He has put the club in a sound position to be taken to the next level by the new owners.
Cat 1 training facilities incoming
An already strong squad to be built upon
A manager who will take us as far as we can financially compete and then some.
Overall, PA has been very silent, had the odd financial hiccup but he has actually got most things right.
 
More Bladier than thou said:
His legacy is - club now have all assets back under its control. We own all of it again. Including finally getting back Boundary corner.
We have balanced the books. We have bought substantial amount of land for new training facility. We are top of the championship.
we have had much worse owners, mcabe nearly ruined us. He has put the club in a sound position to be taken to the next level by the new owners.
Cat 1 training facilities incoming
An already strong squad to be built upon
A manager who will take us as far as we can financially compete and then some.
Overall, PA has been very silent, had the odd financial hiccup but he has actually got most things right.
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Literally this.

No bad feelings on the prince myself, has done some questionable things. But nothing in comparison to McCabe. He’s taken us as far as possible with the limited wealth he has. For that reason he’s got to call time on his tenure with us.
 
Frank the tank said:
Who is the best then ?
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By that I assume you see Abdullah as a poster boy for what a defining chairperson should be?

My point about a lack of investment at the beginning of last season wasn't answered, so I guess that lets
Abdullah off the hook for what became a thoroughly depressing and record breaking season.
If you think that's worthy of a someone whose responsibility to ensure that our first team does as well as it can
has been met then we'll have to disagree.
 
Carlton Blade said:
As with all owners who don't bankrupt the club or put billions in, 🤷‍♂️

Some good, some bad. The 1st team success papered over the cracks but he spent all the money the club had and apart from the ill fated United World project, spent it on the club.

Bye, keep smiling you charismatic devil

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Always looks like he's just been caught in the bogs in Dempseys by the doorman......
 
On reflection - if he is really selling up - I agree that he has done a lot of good things whilst he has been here - although I’d counter that slightly by saying that he fell lucky with Wilder getting us to the Premier League.

However after 10+ years and with us trying to establish ourselves at the top end of Championship or we hope bottom half Premier League, he simply does not have the funds to take us forward. I have no idea if Rosen and his consortium do or not, but the fact that they have managed to satisfy the new very stringent EFL rules that include evidence of 2 seasons funding past the current one, gives me hope.

In all businesses, eventually it is time for a change at the top…..and that time is now for The Prince. If he does go now he will actually go with a good & impressive legacy behind him.
 
itsinyerblood said:
By that I assume you see Abdullah as a poster boy for what a defining chairperson should be?

My point about a lack of investment at the beginning of last season wasn't answered, so I guess that lets
Abdullah off the hook for what became a thoroughly depressing and record breaking season.
If you think that's worthy of a someone whose responsibility to ensure that our first team does as well as it can
has been met then we'll have to disagree.
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I'm just asking you who is our best ever chairman
As you said by gum he is far from the best
So who is he behind.?
 
Frank the tank said:
I'm just asking you who is our best ever chairman
As you said by gum he is far from the best
So who is he behind.?
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For the sake of making sure that you understand what I inferred, given that like many
I've witnessed many chairman take the reins at SUFC, my take on Abdullah has seen him orchestrate,
if that's the correct term, an apparent solidity with the club's finances. What I've also witnessed is a self-serving
approach that initially saw a gross over-estimation of the club's price then a more realistic valuation was applied.
All the while the supporters, who as usual are little more than bystanders, have no choice than to moan, and there's been plenty of that.

You clearly imagine that Abdullah has been the best owner this club has had, I repeat, how do you square that opinion with last season's
lack of investment when we were a Prem team, thus consigning us to a relegation fight before the season began?
 

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