Patience

[Keen Blade]

Hamer with O’Hare on his shoulders - oh , and in high heels and stood on a stout but medium sized box

Ooh - you ARE awful .... but I like you

 

[Keen Blade]

Have you tried standing on a box in high heels ? If so why ?

Only on a Saturday night , outside certain nightclubs.
If you wanna know why , come up and see me sometime , big boy !

 

[Keen Blade]

Had we stuck with Wilder, we'd have been talking about challenging for top 2 again. Instead, we're talking about patience and maybe aiming for a top 6 finish

But what does this matter ?

We're just fans , nervous of the new season under a new manager.

Or , in my case , completely neurotic.

Those 92 points last season are killing our optimism for this season.

I keep reminding myself just how utterly bored I was , watching us scrape 1-0 wins with a set-up I couldn't fathom.

All I want this season is some attractive entertaining football with a team that looks like it has a plan for attacking.

And can defend when necessary.

Under a manager that doesn't make the most bizarre decisions & omissions.

Forget those 92 points - they didn't get us anywhere in the end

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

You can’t be saying the target is top two for Wilder but if the owners themselves decided to change, then it’s ok to say top 6.

Oh they can mate. This is why we're getting all this rubbish about mid-table being brilliant if we're scoring a few more goals.

They'd absolutely slate Wilder if we were mid table. They'll also be blaming him if we're rubbish next year for saddling us with such an awful squad.

 

[robbiez666]

Which is exactly what was discussed when there was talk of Wilder leaving.

You can’t be saying the target is top two for Wilder but if the owners themselves decided to change, then it’s ok to say top 6.

They must be making a change to make us better or more effective. Otherwise, why make it?

You have to understand that most sustainable change takes time. Years.

Brentford are a good example.

 

[Champagneblade]

You have to understand that most sustainable change takes time. Years.

Brentford are a good example.

But change is the means to the ends. And we can’t expect everyone else to stand still while we make this supposed revolutionary change. They will also be doing the same. What is the change anyway? So far it’s involved selling the spine of the team that we owned and bringing in loans or cheap guys from Bulgaria. That’s not impressive yet let’s be honest. Maybe they’re not so smart. Maybe as fans of a team we’ve been following for years, we’re actually smarter than them?

What I do know is I saw us win 30+ games last season under Wilder. I personally would have not removed him, even if he was far from perfect. I see no reason why he couldn’t have done at least as well having had a season to bed in his new recruits. He had to deal with a lot of change last season.

The goal is the same. Promotion. Next year it will be even harder with less revenue unless these guys are going to dip into their pockets. At the moment the narrative is they have deep pockets and short arms. Hopefully they get us where we need to be by the window closing and they give their manager choice a chance to succeed. We saw with Slav what a waste it is to not support your man.

 

[LurkerBlade]

But change is the means to the ends. And we can’t expect everyone else to stand still while we make this supposed revolutionary change. They will also be doing the same. What is the change anyway? So far it’s involved selling the spine of the team that we owned and bringing in loans or cheap guys from Bulgaria. That’s not impressive yet let’s be honest. Maybe they’re not so smart. Maybe as fans of a team we’ve been following for years, we’re actually smarter than them?

What I do know is I saw us win 30+ games last season under Wilder. I personally would have not removed him, even if he was far from perfect. I see no reason why he couldn’t have done at least as well having had a season to bed in his new recruits. He had to deal with a lot of change last season.

The goal is the same. Promotion. Next year it will be even harder with less revenue unless these guys are going to dip into their pockets. At the moment the narrative is they have deep pockets and short arms. Hopefully they get us where we need to be by the window closing and they give their manager choice a chance to succeed. We saw with Slav what a waste it is to not support your man.

The only question I would have is - IF Wilder had stayed and got us promoted, the board has backed him, do you think we would have had a better chance at survival than what seems to be a long term goal of developing younger players from across Europe for profit and a sustainable model (like Brighton/Brentford etc)

No-one has the answers, I just feel like Wilder had a ceiling and we needed to try something to push above that.

 

[Champagneblade]

The only question I would have is - IF Wilder had stayed and got us promoted, the board has backed him, do you think we would have had a better chance at survival than what seems to be a long term goal of developing younger players from across Europe for profit and a sustainable model (like Brighton/Brentford etc)

No-one has the answers, I just feel like Wilder had a ceiling and we needed to try something to push above that.

There’s every chance with the resources tend to have regardless that the ceiling may not be exceeded unless circumstances are exceptional.

No saying Selles even has Wilder’s ceiling.

 

[Youngand70]

But change is the means to the ends. And we can’t expect everyone else to stand still while we make this supposed revolutionary change. They will also be doing the same. What is the change anyway? So far it’s involved selling the spine of the team that we owned and bringing in loans or cheap guys from Bulgaria. That’s not impressive yet let’s be honest. Maybe they’re not so smart. Maybe as fans of a team we’ve been following for years, we’re actually smarter than them?

What I do know is I saw us win 30+ games last season under Wilder. I personally would have not removed him, even if he was far from perfect. I see no reason why he couldn’t have done at least as well having had a season to bed in his new recruits. He had to deal with a lot of change last season.

The goal is the same. Promotion. Next year it will be even harder with less revenue unless these guys are going to dip into their pockets. At the moment the narrative is they have deep pockets and short arms. Hopefully they get us where we need to be by the window closing and they give their manager choice a chance to succeed. We saw with Slav what a waste it is to not support your man.

Although these owners will have to open their wallets at some stage to a certain extent the way many other clubs are increasing club revenue and value is through forward thinking, proactive commercial deals bringing in large sums via sponsorships and investments. See my post earlier in this thread. Our attitude to the commercial side needs a complete overall to cope with the modern way forward.