Old Photos For No Reason Whatsoever

[XH536]

Bit of a long shot but do any of you football historians know what team this might be? I think it is a Sheffield works team probably around 1889 to 1898 as my great Grandad at the back in the middle, the tall one a goalkeeper looks in his early 20's I would say... Few different looking shirts so could have been made by Errea

I think this is a little clearer.

Who ever they were, had a good season, God Bless E'm.

 

[Highpeaks Blade]

Thanks for doing that much appreciated, best image I have of my Great Grandad as a young man now. Flash so and so with his neckerchief on I was hoping someone might recognise the cups as much as anything.

 

[Highpeaks Blade]

1903, Wendy went on to win the league

It could have been a lot worse as well. Thankfully Man City beat them in the cup semi final.

 

[XH536]

Thanks for doing that much appreciated, best image I have of my Great Grandad as a young man now. Flash so and so with his neckerchief on I was hoping someone might recognise the cups as much as anything.

It's a wonderful photo, in that one can tell every man Jack of them are as proud as punch at their achievements, especially the one doing a good impersonation of 'Manuel', I assume he's the trainer. Don't know about 'flash' but I feel he knows his worth.
Regards the cups, I believe you'll be hard pressed to find out what or where they are, but for heaven sake don't give up.
My grandad played in a final, were runners up, pre 1914. 'Kelley Cup', presented by a Councillor Kelley and the final annually played on the Brunswick ground at Woodhouse. We have his medal and a photo of the team, all with their medals on their watch chains, but I had never seen the cup. Enquiring I located the cup to the school which stands on the former location of the Brunswick Ground but never followed it up like a fool.

 

[Highpeaks Blade]

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I think this clipping is from the same season as the league table and the teams for the match on 12 December 1903. We were first and second at the time.

 

[Pintor75]

We need to get a bigger flag for the top of the South stand

Don't know what year it is, but it's got league champions on it

 

[Highpeaks Blade]

Don't know what year it is, but it's got league champions on it

Pic is from 1903 04 season or at least it is in that seasons programme. I thought I spotted that too, I wonder if it had just been kept up anyway, need a small army to carry that thing down

 

[Highpeaks Blade]

I don't think the board of the day were too happy with how that 03/04 season ended either.

 

[Pintor75]

Pic is from 1903 04 season or at least it is in that seasons programme. I thought I spotted that too, I wonder if it had just been kept up anyway, need a small army to carry that thing down

Looking at the champions list we won in 1897/98, we were second in 1899/ 90 so must have left it up there, btw The Wednesday won the lge in 1902/3
& 1903/4

 

[Highpeaks Blade]

Looking at the champions list we won in 1897/98, we were second in 1899/ 90 so must have left it up there, btw The Wednesday won the lge in 1902/3
& 1903/4

They did yes. Imagine having this in one of our current programmes advertising travel to one of their away games

 

[Pintor75]

They did yes. Imagine having this in one of our current programmes advertising travel to one of their away bet they

Bet they claim to have taken 40 thousand even then!

 

[CambridgeshireBlade]

Bit of a long shot but do any of you football historians know what team this might be? I think it is a Sheffield works team probably around 1889 to 1898 as my great Grandad at the back in the middle, the tall one a goalkeeper looks in his early 20's I would say... Few different looking shirts so could have been made by Errea

Agree probably a works team due to the uniformity in age of the players. However a wild card cup be the hallamshire cup. This is the cups running in that era:
1896 Mexborough Montagu Hospital Cup – still being played for

1896 Sheffield Association Alliance – May have used minor cup

1896 Sheffield Association Lge – now County Senior – Various Cups – at S&HCFA

1897 S&H Thursday Lge

1898 Barnsley Beckett Hospital Cup – Cup in Barnsley Museum


Could also just be a local league, the cups are fancy but no doubt somebody knew a guy that knew a guy who could get you one made in that era

Sheffield & Hallamshire Senior Cup - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[CambridgeshireBlade]

Ernest Blackwell?

Yep.

was kept in the reserves by better keepers sadly. One of three players in that era that refused to play the old Christmas day fixture due to religious reasons. He also threatened to quit the team due to the language on the field.

During WW1 he was sent to the navy to be a physical trainer at the Crystal Palace barracks, where he played inter War testimonials. He wasn't sent to fight due to having limited finger mobility from goalkeeping injuries.

He made a mistake in the semi final against Bolton, who only managed two or so shots on goal. If not we would have been one of the two first teams to play a final at Wembley. It knocked his confidence and he was mortified. he retired from football, deciding not to over come his injury from appendicitis. The club gave him 500 quid to retire on, about 40k in todays money and he used it to set up a successful hire credit firm in Spital and property rentals in Norton. Was very popular with customers as he was extremely methodist so very generous and forgiving.

After football he was a well known preacher in the west of the city and Derbyshire. He used to preach Methodist sermons on the benefits of playing football for the working man and the importance of steel works teams as a way of non alcoholic socialising for the men.

He also scouted for the blades in the late 20s especially around the peaks and Chesterfield. Hilariously using terms in his reports we still use like 'turns on a sixpence' and 'pacy winger with tricky feet'.

He retired to Woodseats, regularly walking his terrier in Graves Park and chatting on the bench near the cricket pitch with former methodist parishioners.

He was brother of Harry Blackwell who played GK for Aberdeen, famously playing a rainy fixture in a coat with an umbrella he borrowed from a fan.

He was cousin of Sam Hardy, goalkeeper for Liverpool and England

Source: twenty years spent looking him up as it's my great grandad. We have his semi final medal. Spend most of my time buying anything with him on from greasy collectors. I appreciate them preserving stuff but they are massive rip off merchants.

I keep meaning to write a book about the early 20s teams. Blackwell and Gillespie and the others lead such alien lives and it's hard to imagine today pro footballers having personalities, full Time jobs and moral convictions.

 

[CambridgeshireBlade]

this was in the Lahore (Pakistan) Military Gazette from 1925, announcing Ernest Blackwells retirement.

If anyone is interested in looking up their relatives or football history, I found almost everything in my above post on the British Newspaper Archives. I think it cost me 15 quid for the month but well worth it IMO. It even had Ernests wedding photo on there. You can search by keyword or date and its been pretty intuitive. And no I don't work for them lol

 

[XH536]

Agree probably a works team due to the uniformity in age of the players. However a wild card cup be the hallamshire cup. This is the cups running in that era:
1896 Mexborough Montagu Hospital Cup – still being played for

1896 Sheffield Association Alliance – May have used minor cup

1896 Sheffield Association Lge – now County Senior – Various Cups – at S&HCFA

1897 S&H Thursday Lge

1898 Barnsley Beckett Hospital Cup – Cup in Barnsley Museum


Could also just be a local league, the cups are fancy but no doubt somebody knew a guy that knew a guy who could get you one made in that era

Sheffield & Hallamshire Senior Cup - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Regarding the cups, they are beautiful works of art and a pound to a penny they were silver.
Mi grandad had three medals, all are silver two pre 1914 and a umpires medal from the 1930's and they are really exquisite. that's how it was done in past times. I have a football r u medal 1958-59, piece of tat by comparison.

 

[Highpeaks Blade]

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[Highpeaks Blade]

Bet they claim to have taken 40 thousand even then!

 

[Silent Blade]

 

[Greenwich Blade]

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The two scorers from my first ever game, Oct 30th 1971, United 1-1 Liverpool, fact fans.

 

[ancientblade]

The two scorers from my first ever game, Oct 30th 1971, United 1-1 Liverpool, fact fans.

yeah great goal from tc scruffy equaliser from keegan

 

[Greenwich Blade]

yeah great goal from tc scruffy equaliser from keegan

Like their hair: TC golden and flowing, KK a mess.

 

[HarryHaslam]

 

[jim2007]

They did yes. Imagine having this in one of our current programmes advertising travel to one of their away games

Got me wondering how much that would have been. VERY approximately £18 in today's money, so perhaps not miles off the mark for a one-off special to Birmingham and back.

 

[HarryHaslam]

 

[HarryHaslam]

 

[HarryHaslam]

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

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Great photos. Any idea what the photos dated Nov 30, 1901 are about?

 

[HarryHaslam]

Great photos. Any idea what the photos dated Nov 30, 1901 are about?

I assume it was some sort of build up to the FA Cup final that year, looks like the players staying in a hotel, final was at Crystal Palace which was drawn but the replay was at Bolton so maybe we stayed in Blackpool prior to the replay as the hotel name is Sea View. Just a guess but maybe Silent knows.

 

[XH536]

Great photos. Any idea what the photos dated Nov 30, 1901 are about?

Are not they just showing the workings of the club and players at leisure.
After all, and it's hard for folk of our generation to comprehend, Blades were one of, if not 'the', top club/s of the day.
My grandad was eleven then and pestering his dad to take him to games, walking there and back from Hollinsend.
I've seen HH's post, looking at the actual fixture dates the dates in the book don't seem to correspond.
Example, the Villa date shows April the 27, where as the two games were played April the 6th & 11th.
Also the two Spurs games as, May 4th &11th where as they were played 20th & 27th of April, at least that's what my bible says.

 

[HarryHaslam]

Are not they just showing the workings of the club and players at leisure.
After all, and it's hard for folk of our generation to comprehend, Blades were one of, if not 'the', top club/s of the day.
My grandad was eleven then and pestering his dad to take him to games, walking there and back from Hollinsend.
I've seen HH's post, looking at the actual fixture dates the dates in the book don't seem to correspond.
Example, the Villa date shows April the 27, where as the two games were played April the 6th & 11th.
Also the two Spurs games as, May 4th &11th where as they were played 20th & 27th of April, at least that's what my bible says.

I believe the dates in the corner are the dates the magazine were published not the dates of the games.

The Black & White Budget was a weekly magazine I believe.