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I should coco said:
The developers, Urban Splash aren't that flush. I think they may need to shift a few dozen units to generate the readies to do up a few more.

A mate's daughter has bought one and is reasonably happy so far although I think some of the services leave a bit to be desired.

Strangely fond memories of the place. As a teenager, I did holiday cover the S&E Co-op and spent a summer on Park Hill in the early 80s. The clientele were rough and ready but mainly decent folk. More frozen food sold there than any other S&E including much bigger shops. Useless fact and unlikely to be that helpful in all but the most obscure pub quizzes.
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Urban Splash ran out of money early in the development and went bust, re formed and carried on
 

Sean Thornton You can how much of Hyde Park flats has disappeared by comparing this view below with what you see today, I tried to get a similar view on google maps but the Island is now blocking most of the view.

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Sean Thornton said:
Pub Quiz in the Parkway, first question, "who are you fucking looking at?"
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I saw a film a couple of years ago where Park Hill was used as the film set to recreate the Divis Street flats of N Ireland in the 70s. The boarding was ripped off the doorway off a derelict Parkway so someone could take cover from the shenanigans going on outside. Whilst this brought about some nostalgia it also pissed me off that Park Hill (and Sheffield) was seen as a suitable representation of the troubles in the 70s.
 
snootyfenooty said:
I saw a film a couple of years ago where Park Hill was used as the film set to recreate the Divis Street flats of N Ireland in the 70s. The boarding was ripped off the doorway off a derelict Parkway so someone could take cover from the shenanigans going on outside. Whilst this brought about some nostalgia it also pissed me off that Park Hill (and Sheffield) was seen as a suitable representation of the troubles in the 70s.
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Also used in one of the "This is England" series and on an album cover.

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You've no doubt seen the documentary?
 

Hamburg Blade said:
I once went on a tour of the brewery in Leeds, a good day out, they made some very good bitters and stouts. I believe it has now been replaced by an IKEA.

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Close, there is now a bar, kitchen and art gallery on the old brewery site, although you are correct in so much as Ikea actually bought the site from Carlsberg.

They have however stated that they have no plans to open an Ikea store there.
 
I should coco said:
The developers, Urban Splash aren't that flush. I think they may need to shift a few dozen units to generate the readies to do up a few more.
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All the residential units are pretty much sold, I believe. I think most of the commercial space is now let also.

Phase 2 (or 3 in my mind) is due to start next year. Hopefully it will eventually be completed as it's a such a unique site that deserves better.
 
snootyfenooty said:
I saw a film a couple of years ago where Park Hill was used as the film set to recreate the Divis Street flats of N Ireland in the 70s. The boarding was ripped off the doorway off a derelict Parkway so someone could take cover from the shenanigans going on outside. Whilst this brought about some nostalgia it also pissed me off that Park Hill (and Sheffield) was seen as a suitable representation of the troubles in the 70s.
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On a trip to Belfast a few years ago, I took a rookie salesman with me, and was heading to the motorway from the City Airport. As we reached the junction, I said “there’s the Divis Flats, by the way”

Total silence until I told him to stop fucking about and get out of the footwell......
 
bornablade said:
There's something fundamentally wrong when a person remembers a building being constructed and then is still alive when its pulled down.
Fire station here on Division Street was replaced by a brand new build on Wellington Street. In next to no time that fire station was reduced to rubble and a new one built on the other side of the Moor.
Similarly, as much as we all hated the 'egg box' Town Hall it's criminal that a building is built and then pulled down in such a short space of time.
If it's a private developer wanting to do this then fine. Their money they can do as they wish. But when it's public money then it's treating all of us who put a shift in to pay our taxes with so little respect. Decisions being made by those who have no real understanding of the value of money.
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In some cases, such as the flats, they were an affordable solution to a pressing problem. Unfortunately, we didn't fully understand how to build the flats or what could go wrong with them in the future. As others have said, they initially provided far better accommodation than the properties they replaced. It was short sighted to an extent but I suspect the money to build that many properties out of traditional bricks and mortar just wasn't there.

I can't comment on the fire stations and the egg box as I'd just be guessing, I don't know what their rationale was but it may have been driven by technology, for example modern offices need much greater floor to ceiling heights than old ones to accommodate aircon, computer cables etc. in some cases it's just cheaper to demolish a building and start again than it is to try to adapt one.
 
The flats were a partial solution to old terraced housing without bathrooms or inside toilets and the moving of communities as a whole. When you'd lived in the old housing, the flats were incredible.
 
in terms of their refurbishment, I think the main problem has been that the floor to ceiling heights were too low ..... now that so much more sound insulation is required than then (and I believe they were very noisy? after all who fancies a milk float driving across the ceiling at 4 in the morning? ).

I suspect its just because they were listed that they have got away with such low beams in the flats or because they were already flats therefore no change of use?

Phase one of the refurbishment was too thorough going, I am led to believe that the next phases will use much more of the original fabric.

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Sean Thornton said:
Target, Crows Nest, Samuel Plimsoll and Earl Francis on HP. Link, Parkway, Scottish Queen and Earl George on PH.
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Used to go boxing at that youth club under the Target, Hyde Away think they used to call it early 70s
 
I know its clichéd to say that the planners demolished what the Luftwaffe had missed but don't underestimate just how fashionable grand projets like Park Hill, Hyde Park etc. were - as opposed to the rejection of old fashioned terraced housing and indeed rejection of the idea of a 'street' lined by buildings as opposed to blocks of flats in parkland.

For me the worst legacy of these mid 20th century fads in Sheffield is the destruction of the old grid-iron street plans and their replacement with inner-ring roads and blocked off streets with*, what remains as a result of traffic planners thinking they know best. I suppose I could throw in the ripping up of tram lines in the 1950s (1960s in Sheffield??) - the development of cities in Britain has been desperately short-sighted.

Worst thing for me is that to walk up from the station to Peace Gardens involves grubbing about up steps or through an art-gallery around one of 2 hotels traversing 2 inner-ring roads in the process, instead of walking straight up Howard Street towards St. Paul's church and STRAIGHT into the city-centre.

Trouble is, planners are

* Bollards
 
Tunstall Fred said:
Which set of flats was the Target on?,can remember playing them once in a pre season friendly,dirtiest team I have ever played against
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Played against Target in the Friendlies League in the 1980-81 season at Norfolk Park. My team were winning 2-1 but got beaten by two late goals!
 
Cutbush City Limits said:
TK will love this......must have been a warm day.
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Oddly enough I've a photo (somewhere hidden away in my house) of TK presenting me with some end of season football trophy and he has the exact same sweat patches on my photo.
I remember the evening being a particular hot sultry one in July and the boozer (Windsor Hotel), packed to the rafters.
He brought Terry Curran with him too, he was just loppy...
 
BushBlade said:
In some cases, such as the flats, they were an affordable solution to a pressing problem. Unfortunately, we didn't fully understand how to build the flats or what could go wrong with them in the future. As others have said, they initially provided far better accommodation than the properties they replaced. It was short sighted to an extent but I suspect the money to build that many properties out of traditional bricks and mortar just wasn't there.

I can't comment on the fire stations and the egg box as I'd just be guessing, I don't know what their rationale was but it may have been driven by technology, for example modern offices need much greater floor to ceiling heights than old ones to accommodate aircon, computer cables etc. in some cases it's just cheaper to demolish a building and start again than it is to try to adapt one.
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Wasn't a major reason behind the initial move of the fire station to Wellington St that it improved access as some of the newer appliances struggled getting in and out on Division St? Then it was simply that traffic was a nightmare for them coming out of there so they moved again, may be wrong on that but sure I heard that from an ex firefighter
 
oaklandrdblade said:
Wasn't a major reason behind the initial move of the fire station to Wellington St that it improved access as some of the newer appliances struggled getting in and out on Division St? Then it was simply that traffic was a nightmare for them coming out of there so they moved again, may be wrong on that but sure I heard that from an ex firefighter
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The policy changed to locating more smaller firestations on the outskirts of Sheffiled which allowed the fire crews easier movement into and out from their locations hence that is why there is a firestation off the Parkway at Handsworth one at Hackenthorpe/Birley and one at Aston near the M1 junction.
 
oaklandrdblade said:
Wasn't a major reason behind the initial move of the fire station to Wellington St that it improved access as some of the newer appliances struggled getting in and out on Division St? Then it was simply that traffic was a nightmare for them coming out of there so they moved again, may be wrong on that but sure I heard that from an ex firefighter
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No idea I'm afraid, I've lived down south for a long time.
 

snootyfenooty said:
And all the while whilst Germany are trying to fuck us up the arse over Brexit there's still plenty queueing up to buy one of their fucking cars. Makes me weep.
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Probably because they are quality engineered vehicles and every British car made was shit.
 
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