No announcement until New Year

[Worksop II]

Has anyone considered that the Club regards the decision concerning an appointment to be of such crucial importance that it will not be made in haste

Just because they are taking their time doesnt mean they will get it right, in fact with McCabes track record he may as well draw straws

 

[super_pig]

cheap as chips option coming your way.. at least i'll win the sweepstake though.. i said this would happen.. groan

 

[MobileBlade]

We have 4 games in 8 days, thats potentially 12 points.

How's the job application for Sky Sports News going SB? Think you really could get that analysers job.

 

[Sharpy]

If they go for the cheap option and give it to Carver on the back of a few games, I will be just gutted.

Sadly I expect exactly that to happen.

SOD is the man to change this club and the way it plays football.

Not the cheap option United, just for once.

 

[Micalijo]

It will be obvious if it's SOD as he wont be in charge of Donny on the 3rd either, he will be placed on gardening leave after their New Years Day game.

I've not got a problem with the club taking their time. My only concern is that if a new man isn't appointed until 4th Jan he's then knackered in the transfer window, simply not enought time to asses what he's got and look at alternatives.

Do you really need time to assess that basically all of our contracted players are pathetically lacking in the basic attributes normally associated with professional footballers in the second tier? I think any self respecting manager will know all they need to know about our squad and their individual 'qualities'

 

[SwissBlade]

How's the job application for Sky Sports News going SB? Think you really could get that analysers job.

News just in! I am STILL awaiting a reply to my email. Swiss Said in a statement "I'm still waiting to hear back". You heard it hear first.

Coming up! All the latest reaction to Swiss' statement that he's still waiting to hear back.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I much prefer this approach to the 'quick let's appoint Bryan Robson before we realise he's shit' hasty one we've suffered from previously

Exactly what I thought. It's actually very refreshing that we're taking time over this - I can't recall it happening for quite a while, could be Birch's influence. If we were going to make an easy appointment, like Phil Brown or someone else without a job at present, we'd have done this by now. I don't buy into the Carver as boss theory either. The delay to me suggests either we need more time to consider who to appoint, or that we already know who we want and there is some work still to be done to get him here.

 

[Micalijo]

Exactly what I thought. It's actually very refreshing that we're taking time over this - I can't recall it happening for quite a while, could be Birch's influence. If we were going to make an easy appointment, like Phil Brown or someone else without a job at present, we'd have done this by now. I don't buy into the Carver as boss theory either. The delay to me suggests either we need more time to consider who to appoint, or that we already know who we want and there is some work still to be done to get him here.

Surely it is pretty clear that we want SOD and it is equally clear that at the moment the two clubs are miles apart in compo.

My suggestion would be for McCabe to cut Birch's salary by £200k per annum and use that to settle the compo difference. seems much easier than waiting for Trev to knock £200k off the asking price.

 

[sheffielder]

Wind your neck in man

Is everything just a chance to knock McCabe or Birch? Can't you wait till after the facts?

 

[Torrix1889]

If you take Seths shortlist as gospel then can you assume the following;

Brown - Out of work, if we wanted him, Boots on the Moor would have sold out of perm-a-tan already
Carver - If we are going to take the cheap option and oppint from within then why wait until New Year?
Adams/Scott/Howe - All at lower league clubs, compo wouldn't be a big issue (£100K tops?) and again why wait until New Year.

For me it's all pointing towards SOD and the club doing all they can and exhausting every effort to get him in. Compo will be an issue but the biggest issue for me and the major reason for the delay until New Year would be the fact that we play Donny on 3rd Jan.

 

[bartman]

If they go for the cheap option and give it to Carver on the back of a few games, I will be just gutted.

Sadly I expect exactly that to happen.

SOD is the man to change this club and the way it plays football.

Not the cheap option United, just for once.

you are repetitive aren't you ? You should rephrase by saying 'cheap if you don't do what I think is right'

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Just because they are taking their time doesnt mean they will get it right, in fact with McCabes track record he may as well draw straws

at least we can say KM has took his time making the wrong decision

 

[Sharpy]

you are repetitive aren't you ? You should rephrase by saying 'cheap if you don't do what I think is right'

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at least we can say KM has took his time making the wrong decision

Pot calling the kettle black and all that? Pretty sure you said exactly the same earlier.

Carver would clearly be the cheap option compared to SOD, anybody can see that.

SOD is the right man for the job and the exact type of manager to take this club forward.

We need change, not somebody on the cheap already at the club.

I for one will think twice about going if we appoint Carver, would hardly be an inspiring choice.

 

[bartman]

Surely we should be getting the right manager at a price we can afford.? If SOD (and Ryan) make the cost to high we will have to look elsewhere.

There is an arguement that if Carver was in charge,there would be more money on the wage bill available for players (i don't want Carver by the way). The point is,the manager who costs less than others to get in doesn't necessary mean he will be the worst option.

Glad to see you have now not included Adams as a 'cheap option' as you did on another thread

 

[syd]

Just had a txt off a big Huddesfield fan, they are talking about losing him to Sheff Utd.

Anyone know anything on this?

 

[lenners]

Can we realistically be waiting until after we've played Donny to appoint SOD?
As in we'd play them on the 3rd and then the day after or a few days after he'd say he was off to the Lane?
How would he be able to insist he'd given it his all if he walked a couple of days later?

 

[Torrix1889]

If that was the case he wouldn't be there either Len, he'd be gardening...

 

[lenners]

If that was the case he wouldn't be there either Len, he'd be gardening...

Indeed, sounds less like SOD if the New Year bit is true.
They'll probably find the cheap option of Carver irresistible if he grinds out another 1-0 in the meantime.

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Just had a txt off a big Huddesfield fan, they are talking about losing him to Sheff Utd.

Anyone know anything on this?

No, but glad he's seen the light.

 

[God]

On o/s now, definitely no announcement before Christmas and Carver expected to be in charge until early New Year. Saying will not rush a decision.

http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10418~2248169,00.html

If it is going to be SOD will it be before or after the 3rd Jan game at home v Donny.........

The board said they would not rush into a decision, and thats fair enough I reckon. Besides you only get 2 outcomes with rushing things.

1. Ulcers
2. Kids!

 

[alcoblade]

Aye, I expected better from United, and lets be fair we've all known for over a week about Speed going, United have the inside track on Wales approaching Speed so why haven't we acted faster?



Personally I think that any new manager (whoever it may be) needs the full January window to exploit the transfer market AND play both league and cup game(s)

To give ourselves the best chance possible we should get the man in now, not after 3rd Jan. We have 4 games in 8 days, thats potentially 12 points.

I don't share your concern here. We've always rushed these things and been rightly criticsised. Now we'e tking few weeks. I don't think there's a sweet spot of a week or anything where it's just right. There is no way of knowing what restrictions are in place with various managers clubs / contracts, or how soon we can sit around the table with them all and assess their beliefs, or how long a manager might like to consdier his options.

All 6 on any shortlist, if they want the job, will be doing their homework about what's required and what they'd do about it. In fact that information will form part of any interview process. There's no reason why the new manager couldn't hit the ground running.

The only "problem" I see is that we have a purple patch for a few games and appoint Carver. I've never understood appointing unproven managers after a few results in a caretaker role. He might be the next best thing, but Backwell appeared so after a much longer trial period.

UTB

 

[Crazyblade]

Well, I'm in the 'glass half empty' camp I'm afraid. Delaying this decision means that whoever comes in will have less time to assess his squad, right at the start of the January transfer window. That'll mean that, quite likely, very little will be able to be done and we'll be left with the squad that we have now. I cannot see O'Driscoll coming under those circumstances.

We all know what's gonna happen - Carver will be given the job, he'll maybe get a loan signing in January if he's lucky, and we'll flirt with relegation for the rest of the season. I, for one, am disappointed that we couldn't be given a better outlook, and am worried for the coming weeks and months.

CB

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Is it possible that we're waiting till January to sell someone to fund the SOD compensation?

 

[Torrix1889]

Assuming Carver is in charge until and including the Donny game he will have a 5 match tenure;

Swansea - H (won 1-0)
Hull - H
Norwich - A
Burnley - A
Donny - H

I reckon if Carver gets 7 points from the 4 remaining games of his spell in charge, he will get the job until the end of the season. And to be nonest 10 points from those 5 games would be an excellent haul and you would have to say he deserved it. Personally I can see us struggling to get ANYTHING from those 4 games. Hull are on a decent run, we always struggle against Burnley, Norwich are flying at home and Donny will be difficult, SOD in charge or not.

I think it's fair to say that due to the fixtures we have Carver will be hard pressed to get the results.

 

[lenners]

Another internal appointment would be a bloody stupid thing to do.
That he's been closely allied to Blackwell and Ellis throughout his coaching career would put the tin hat on it.
All in all, it's got to be Carver..

 

[SotonBlade]

I think the fact the decision has been left till the new year is down to several reasons:

a) The wrangle over compensation
b) A busy fixture list
c) The January game
d) The guy's kids are in Hampshire, i assume he'll want to fit in seeing them over this period too.

Not surprised that it's been put off till then.

I still think it'll be him in January, if it was to be anyone else, it would have happened by now.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

What suprised me yesterday were the first two Blades on FH, both said appoint Carver.

Fuck me, he's never been a manager and has won one game.

Same dickheads that wanted Speed cus he'd played over 400 games in the Prem but couldn't see he was past it for us.

And while we're at can we get Cresswell to fuck off, another thats past it.

 

[grafikhaus]

Is it possible that we're waiting till January to sell someone to fund the SOD compensation?

Or, and here's a thought, Carver has a good Christmas spell so SOD suddenly realises that he can't dictate terms any more?

 

[bartman]

I think if it was going to be Carver,he would have been appointed already as there would be no point waiting for 4 games.

The club has said no announcement before Xmas (i.e. not the New Year)...this may give time for Donny/Port Vale to find a replacement for their manager(s).

 

[SwissBlade]

Can we realistically be waiting until after we've played Donny to appoint SOD?
As in we'd play them on the 3rd and then the day after or a few days after he'd say he was off to the Lane?
How would he be able to insist he'd given it his all if he walked a couple of days later?

Lenners - I'm with you all the way on this one. I also believe that the delays mean that we're both dithering and are frankly not in control of the situation.

Where is the statement from Donny/ Port Vale etc which says that "we've given manager x permission to talk to Sheffield United"

Come on United we all want the same (despite the timing and our squad, plus given the lack of other affordable managers out there), get SoD in before Friday and we'll all have a decent Christmas (until Boxing day at least)

I don't share your concern here. We've always rushed these things and been rightly criticsised. Now we'e tking few weeks. I don't think there's a sweet spot of a week or anything where it's just right. There is no way of knowing what restrictions are in place with various managers clubs / contracts, or how soon we can sit around the table with them all and assess their beliefs, or how long a manager might like to consdier his options.

All 6 on any shortlist, if they want the job, will be doing their homework about what's required and what they'd do about it. In fact that information will form part of any interview process. There's no reason why the new manager couldn't hit the ground running.

The only "problem" I see is that we have a purple patch for a few games and appoint Carver. I've never understood appointing unproven managers after a few results in a caretaker role. He might be the next best thing, but Backwell appeared so after a much longer trial period.

UTB

The only restrictions are of our making. I've never criticised United for rushing in. If the right man is there (Robbo, Blackie and Speed were the right men for McCabe at the time) go get him.

Theres also other talk of Dave Jones perhaps to Blackburn and other positions looking likely to crop up soon.

Why if we were going to delay it, couldn't we keep Speed in place until say 5th Jan. Its not like Wales have a game anytime soon.

We got walked over in letting Speed go and we're now messing around when we could be bringing in SoD or another.

Pay the club, pay the man, just get the whole thing wrapped up now!

 

[alcoblade]

The only restrictions are of our making.

Again, I just don't get this. Do you know that O'Driscoll hasn't asked for time? Would you discount him if he's asked for a week to consder? Do you know that Doncaster have come forward with exactly the terms of the compensatioon required and that we're not waiting fo clarification of some sort? Do you know we have the cash sat waiting to cover it?

For someone usually so well reasoned, I can't see any back up for your "extreme" stance.

UTB

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Why if we were going to delay it, couldn't we keep Speed in place until say 5th Jan.

I don't know, do you? Perhaps given all the evidence they'd seen, they were very happy to get a £2M contract, plus compensation, off the table. Who knows how patient Wales would be? Do you really think our survival prospects have been so diminished by Carver taking over from Speed? I certainly don't.

UTB

 

[sheffielder]

I think in the short term we are in safe hands with Carver, although if we lose to Hull on Sunday things might change quickly.
Just because we don't get anyone in till January does not mean we will be behind with any transfer targets. Everyone interviewed has to sell themselves and their ideas.

1. Tactics
2. Ethos
3. Transfers

I would hope whoever the 4 people McCabe has said we are look at have looked at the squad and our weaknesses and have already identified players they would like to bring in if given the job. The good thng about taking time is that McCabe and Birch will be getting ideas from all angles and they will bring stuff to the table which we can use and take forward with the right guy

etc;