No announcement until New Year

[grafikhaus]

Pay the club, pay the man, just get the whole thing wrapped up now!

And here's the problem. Who is the right man? I don't recall the hindsight that Robson, Blackwell or Speed attracted at the time of their appointment. I may be wrong, but this prostrating ourselves on the altar of SOD is all wrong - a kind of 'The Apprentice' in reverse. "Pleeese come to us, we'll pay you what you want and Donny compensation." Totally wrong.

Apart from politicians, I can't think of any other job where failure is rewarded by another massively-paid job as football management. As we speak, Allardyce has got the boot (rightly, for a win ratio of just 34%). Avram Grant and Brian Laws will (rightly) be gone soon. And who is leading the 'shock-horror, they must be mad' brigade? That's right, the likes of Shearer, Hansen, Lineker etc. The old-boys club who ensure that the old way of working is maintained.

So (I hear you ask) what is my suggestion? Well, back in t'old days, a manager was a pretty anonymous figure. Nowadays, they've re-invented themselves as media darlings - figures who must be seen ranting and raving on the touchline to show they 'care'. (As if). Now I'm putting myself above the parapet here, but might we just have stumbled upon something here?

On Saturday, Carver put out a sadly-depleted team who did the job. Ellis, who until now was happy to slumber in his seat, looked quite animated on the touchline (don't we all need a kick up the arse now and then?) and Morgs, sat just in front of me, was commitment personified - a guy who knows his playing glory-days are coming to an end, but who knows the players and the dressing room.

Maybe, just maybe.

 

[alcoblade]

Some truth in your post Grafikhaus but I'd take issue with one thing. Everyone I knew thought Robson was a shite appointment at the time. Like many others I allowed myself to become convinced because I was desperate to back the club's decision and for it to be the right one. Sadly, all evidence confirmed what most first thought - he was a disasterous appointment that could easily have been avoided.

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[lenners]

Much as it is rare for you and I to sing from the same hymn sheet Swiss, this is beginning to show all the hallmarks of a club once again not knowing what ferking time of day it is.
You'd have though having a new manager in place for the start of the transfer window would be the most sensible thing to do.

 

[SotonBlade]

Surely getting the right man is the most sensible thing to do len?

I'd rather wait a few days into January to get the right man rather than appoint whoever we can get before the transfer window.

Edit:

Plus if your so keen to get someone in before the window, why do you bang on about us having no money for transfers? If we haven't got any cash, how can a guy brought in before January spend anything??

 

[sitwell]

January 3rd ,following another impressive win Carvers Sheff Utd go above O'Driscolls Doncaster in the league ,despite already having 3 managers this season compared with Donny.

Do we still go after O'Driscoll ?

 

[lenners]

Surely getting the right man is the most sensible thing to do len?

I'd rather wait a few days into January to get the right man rather than appoint whoever we can get before the transfer window.

Edit:

Plus if your so keen to get someone in before the window, why do you bang on about us having no money for transfers? If we haven't got any cash, how can a guy brought in before January spend anything??

Did I say it was just about bringing players in?
It's highly likely any new manager will be expected to offload and it would appear sensible that you allow a new manager as long as possible, ideally before the window even opens, to see what his options are - in and out.
Do we really not already know the right man now but might do next month?
Sorry, but it is already beginning to show the classic hallmarks of Blades fuckupery.
If SOD doesn't want the job, we can't afford him or he's not sure enough, then we ought to be moving now before the Xmas rush of games starts.

 

[alcoblade]

Len, most things in football are subjective. What's not debatable is that whatever the club do, you will criticise them for it.

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[DuncDisorderly]

I am waiting for DD to come in and do a Michael Douglas from Falling Over.

Shit is going to fly

Nope, not me, although there are days...

As for me, I don't see what we're all getting worked up about. For once we're not rushing the decision. Carver is in the saddle and has a chance, what a tragedy it would be if we won four or five games on the spin, proving himself a capable manager and we appointed him. If he doesn't or Birchy thinks there is a better guy then we will have them instead. Is it just me who cant see what the problem is..?

 

[travellingblade]

Nope, not me, although there are days...

As for me, I don't see what we're all getting worked up about. For once we're not rushing the decision. Carver is in the saddle and has a chance, what a tragedy it would be if we won four or five games on the spin, proving himself a capable manager and we appointed him. If he doesn't or Birchy thinks there is a better guy then we will have them instead. Is it just me who cant see what the problem is..?

Dunc, I fully agree, PROVIDED that we don't give him a super long contract. (maybe just to the end of the season, and with options for additional years)

 

[Worksop II]

Is it just me who cant see what the problem is..?

Sun in your eyes ?

 

[alcoblade]

Nope, not me, although there are days...

As for me, I don't see what we're all getting worked up about. For once we're not rushing the decision. Carver is in the saddle and has a chance, what a tragedy it would be if we won four or five games on the spin, proving himself a capable manager and we appointed him. If he doesn't or Birchy thinks there is a better guy then we will have them instead. Is it just me who cant see what the problem is..?

The trouble is, if you put a mokney in charge, there's a chance that we'd win 4 on the bounce. Small, but enough to concern ourselves about becoming the proving ground for a new manager.


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[yorkshirecoast]

I think we are in danger of getting carried away with how good SOD is. Perhaps he is marginally the best of those availaible, but he's no world beater. He's done well with a small club with little expectation/pressure - although lets not forget the Donny fans wanted him out in his earlier days. Managing the Blades is a far tougher proposition - bigger club, bigger expectation, bigger pressure. And he wouldn't have the luxury of the time he had to get things right at Donny - as we need someone to have an instant impact to make sure we stay up.

Personally I'm more concerned about McCabe pulling his finger out than I am about the next manager. Any manager is going to struggle under McCabe's current way of operating.

 

[beightonblade]

can someone remind me why 'cheap as chips' contract was extended ? ............ talk about wasted money

 

[bladesadviser]

Don't rush into like we did with Speed or Robson but don't give Carver the job either on the back of a few results

 

[Toronto Blade]

We are into December a few managers could lose their jobs in the next two weeks are we keeping Carver until an employed becomes unemployed.

 

[SwissBlade]

We are into December a few managers could lose their jobs in the next two weeks are we keeping Carver until an employed becomes unemployed.

Avram Grant? No thanks

 

[Trigger Blade]

Did I say it was just about bringing players in?
It's highly likely any new manager will be expected to offload and it would appear sensible that you allow a new manager as long as possible, ideally before the window even opens, to see what his options are - in and out.
Do we really not already know the right man now but might do next month?
Sorry, but it is already beginning to show the classic hallmarks of Blades fuckupery.
If SOD doesn't want the job, we can't afford him or he's not sure enough, then we ought to be moving now before the Xmas rush of games starts.

It's a relief to see you posting again len, I'm sure I'm not the only one that's been worried, although I assumed the usual post-win PC crash. This was exacerbated by you being unable to comment on the AGM, though you could have made something up, facts not being a general requirement in your posts.

To summarise:-

A quick appointment would indicate the BOD having no idea what they're doing
A considered appointment would indicate the BOD having no idea what they're doing

 

[marshy]

I've not got a problem with the club taking their time. My only concern is that if a new man isn't appointed until 4th Jan he's then knackered in the transfer window, simply not enought time to asses what he's got and look at alternatives.

And here we have it......

 

[sheffielder]

Did I say it was just about bringing players in?
It's highly likely any new manager will be expected to offload and it would appear sensible that you allow a new manager as long as possible, ideally before the window even opens, to see what his options are - in and out.
Do we really not already know the right man now but might do next month?
Sorry, but it is already beginning to show the classic hallmarks of Blades fuckupery.
If SOD doesn't want the job, we can't afford him or he's not sure enough, then we ought to be moving now before the Xmas rush of games starts.

I have to disagree and I have been thinking about this since it was announced. With all these games coming up is it wise to rock the boat with a new manager and ideas. New managers don't come in and win straight away especially as it's O'Driscoll. We have some tricky games coming up

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Falling Over could be the Richard Curtis directed, British set re-make.

Starring Hugh Grant as a demoralised and bitter landscape gardener (D-Forest).

That's very clever Oreyt, although you have to know the film quite well or watched it recently.
Even if no one else notice, que dos to you for the name and reference.

 

[gavtheblade]

I`d still be in absolute shock if o`driscoll takes the job,why would he want to leave a stable well run club to join an un-stable,crapply run club.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

potential, and he's gone as far as he can with Donny.

For how much longer can he sell his best players at Donny because they can't afford to keep them while maintaining their league position.

He has to jump sometime, its just a case of is United the right job at the right time.

 

[sheffielder]

I`d still be in absolute shock if o`driscoll takes the job,why would he want to leave a stable well run club to join an un-stable,crapply run club.

Sure your a Blade? lol

 

[Coily]

As we speak, Allardyce has got the boot (rightly, for a win ratio of just 34%).

Just a thought, but a 34% win ratio over a 38 game season is 13 wins, or 39 points. And that's before draws. Not that bad actually.

 

[Tuns]

I have to disagree and I have been thinking about this since it was announced. With all these games coming up is it wise to rock the boat with a new manager and ideas. New managers don't come in and win straight away especially as it's O'Driscoll. We have some tricky games coming up

You being serious?

Do you not know of the 'new manager effect' or does that only ever work against us.

 

[Bert]

Many years ago Bert was offered a job, at the time he was working for a company and his reputation attracted the attention of another company, both companies were in the same line of business and they were deadly rivals.
He did eventually take the job and it turned out to be the best move he ever made but the one thing he does remember about the negotiations and meetings that took place before he took the job is that THEY TOOK A BLEEDING LONG TIME.

 

[AlienWoodward]

Many years ago Bert was offered a job, at the time he was working for a company and his reputation attracted the attention of another company, both companies were in the same line of business and they were deadly rivals.
He did eventually take the job and it turned out to be the best move he ever made but the one thing he does remember about the negotiations and meetings that took place before he took the job is that THEY TOOK A BLEEDING LONG TIME.

Hey it's good to have you back with us lesser mortals,Bert.
Where have you been hiding and did you ever get that £20 off of dear old Curtis ?

 

[Bert]

Bert never got a penny off Curtis or Claude's Forehead but the biggest gobshite (good word that) was the idiot Wednesdayite, Grandad who owes Bert £1,000. Apparently he's still around on the Owls sites spouting his crap.

Bert never acutually expected any of them to pay up but they were taught a lesson and all promptly fled.

 

[AlienWoodward]

Bert never got a penny off Curtis or Claude's Forehead but the biggest gobshite (good word that) was the idiot Wednesdayite, Grandad who owes Bert £1,000. Apparently he's still around on the Owls sites spouting his crap.

Bert never acutually expected any of them to pay up but they were taught a lesson and all promptly fled.

I actually know grandad. What was this bet about , I would love to take it up with him.

 

[Bert]

He insisted that Wednesday wouldn't get relegated, it was about 5 or 6 years ago. Bert bet him that they would, he lost, Bert won, he promptly vanished.

PS there will be a few people on here who remember it.