Nice to see Ched silencing the doubters

[Pinchy]

With all due respect FB Pedro's view isnt a ' valid footballing ' opinion . If it was then Ched scoring 35 goals in a season would change his view . Furthermore , Pedro's view that the whole Ched situation could undermine the team ethic that's been created and nurtured at the lane does nothing but undermine our manager . CW signed Ched . CW believes he has a lot to offer . But despite CW's numerous statements that no one player regardless of who they are is bigger than the team Pedro insists that Cheds signing will destroy our whole team ethic .

Pedro's views on the whole Ched situation are views based upon issues of morality. To then attempt to draw footballing concerns from his moralistic views is wholly disingenuous and wrong .

Funny thing is , whilst I fundamentally disagree with Pedros opinion i actually admire the courage he exhibits in his convictions . He has a real problem with us signing Ched and he's prepared to stand by this view REGARDLESS of how he plays . But while I admire his tenacity I do wish he wouldn't try to dress his issues of morality up as footballing concerns.

But, CHL, there are a million and one places where the Jean and Johnny Choppers can air their fragile morality crusade in relation to an innocent man. They are all too readily available and needn't and shouldn't, at this stage, feature in a discussion about football.

Perhaps Foxy could provide a "Misguided Holier Than Thou" section?

 

[Pinchy]

He was eventually found not guilty which isn't the same as he did nothing wrong.
The reality is we had a good number of supporters who thought he did nothing wrong regardless of the courts and still do.
The issue with him coming back here is that it plays to those people.

But he's here. That argument is over and now redundant so far as football and United are concerned.

If you want to perpetuate it there are more than enough social media opportunities to do so.

Foxy and Linz should seriously consider whether to call a permanent halt on here, or at least switch it to a non-football part of the forum.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

But there being no morals in football (I think there are still some) doesn't mean I have to accept attitudes I know are wrong or not hold an opinion.
And being found not guilty doesn't magically erase all that's gone before or mean that those attitudes are no longer an issue.
I was at the Lane long before Evans and touch wood will still be after he's gone.
I thought about not going this season but decided I would. If things get ugly I'll have a decision to make on whether it's worth it or not.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. I can't agree with those that try to prevent other people from airing one. But it's not one I can get on board with. The punishment Ched has served has far exceeded the "crime". As far as I'm concerned he had the right to ply his trade even before he cleared his name. The subsequent acquittal, removes the credibility from any opposing argument. Whether you're comfortable with him being a blade or not is a matter for you and as I say, you're quite entitled to feel however you do about that. But I can't see any rational argument with any sound basis to prevent him playing professional football.

From my perspective, it's great that he's back and I really hope he can roll back the years and become the Ched of old.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You are of course entitled to your opinion. I can't agree with those that try to prevent other people from airing one. But it's not one I can get on board with. The punishment Ched has served has far exceeded the "crime". As far as I'm concerned he had the right to ply his trade even before he cleared his name. The subsequent acquittal, removes the credibility from any opposing argument. Whether you're comfortable with him being a blade or not is a matter for you and as I say, you're quite entitled to feel however you do about that. But I can't see any rational argument with any sound basis to prevent him playing professional football.

From my perspective, it's great that he's back and I really hope he can roll back the years and become the Ched of old.

Effectively he's spent time in prison due to a lack of morals.

There but for the grace of God etc

 

[JJBlade]

I'm delighted for him.
Being convicted of rape, serving time and losing a career that was looking like it could take him anywhere must have been difficult enough
Being found not guilty, although very good news for him can never bring back what he has lost, and what we have lost.

He needs game time desperately, but how much can we gamble with him ?

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

The reaction on here is very different to how things were at the game. The match had been extremely dull and low-key, a sub returning to the club came on to a warm reception, changed the game by playing some good football against a tiring league one defence, was able to enjoy a great reaction to his role in bringing about the first and second goals, shared the moments with team-mates and manager, worked hard for the team, and came off at the end to a warm reception. It all felt like normal football, and a step towards him becoming again an important player for United. If all involved handle this well this season, then apart from the stick he will receive from opposition fans, the focus will be on how he plays on the pitch. As a first step on the road to normality, last night could scarcely have been better.

 

[8lade]

Foxy and Linz should seriously consider whether to call a permanent halt on here, or at least switch it to a non-football part of the forum.

I cannot agree more

 

[Hodgyman]

Nobody stood out tonight except for the odd flash IMO

Be careful of saying things like the "odd flash", I was censured just yesterday saying that CW could "swing both ways"

 

[Harrisblade]

I'm delighted for him.
Being convicted of rape, serving time and losing a career that was looking like it could take him anywhere must have been difficult enough
Being found not guilty, although very good news for him can never bring back what he has lost, and what we have lost.

He needs game time desperately, but how much can we gamble with him ?

If last night was anything to go by - a while longer yet

 

[JJ Sefton]

Seven pages is beyond my expectations.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Seven pages is beyond my expectations.

I think it's still got some serious legs.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Seven pages is beyond my expectations.

You cheeky scamp, I know full well you posted expecting a minimum of 10 pages and at least one flounce!

 

[Blend-it-like-Harris]

The bad taste in the mouths of the moralisers probably causes them embarrassment when standing close to others and having to speak with one hand cupped just below their noses. However, I'm confident that life will taste a tiny bit sweeter for them once Ched regains full fitness. For the rest of us, life will taste a lot sweeter - especially if Ched manages to get near that fitness level by September 24th.
Have some sympathy though for the extreme bad-breath brigade; it's going to be especially tough for them when he's scoring goals and they won't know whether to cheer or jeer.

 

[Blade 62]

I'm really made up for the lad.
Got brought on from the bench and took his chance (unlike others)
I think we will be seeing more to come in the following months.
Good luck Ched, I'm looking forward to your contribution.


P.S ( some of you really need to put that pitch fork away, or stick it in mrs hatchet. it's over )

 

[Fanny magnet]

He's 3rd choice out of 5 now so balls in his court

 

[Sheffsteel]

He's 3rd choice out of 5 now so balls in his court

It's pretty incredible when you think about.
He's hardly kicked a ball in a proper match for 5 years but he comes back and although he didn't do a right lot last night in his few touches he already looks a class above league 1 (Walsall) level and better than both Lavery and Hanson.

He's hardly firing yet and only on the first rung of the ladder of his developement.
It's scary how good he could be, doubt he's even at 50% of his abilities yet.

 

[JJBlade]

That's the kind of attitude that is part of the problem.
You can only see it through Evans's eyes and not the woman.
The only person wronged, somehow, is Evans.
And that's what United are playing to.

Bullshit
The woman never cried rape, and there was no case to answer apart from her saying "she couldn't remember,"
Probably to hide her embarrassment the morning after

By saying "she couldn't remember" it played straight into the hands of various women's groups (evil womens groups) with a sheer hatred of men, and they did the rest for her.

The court was weak in pandering to the women's movement, completely ignoring the fact that two men fucked her because she's a slag.

One was deemed innocent and one was deemed guilty because he turned up later and had a pop, by which time she was sobering up

The alcohol or other substance level in her system was proven to be not of a level consistent with a total mind blank

She lied about not being able to remember and the whole case kicked off because of it, by then it was too late to change her story, especially after being egged on by the said women's groups.

She was a bit pissed but that's all, she walked quite normally to the hotel room, she wasn't kept there against her will and McDonald or whatever his name is swore in court that she agreed that he should call Ched Evans.

The hotel staff said there was no struggle or fight or argument in the room and the woman was not out of her mind

All that was dismissed in favour of believing somebody that couldn't remember.............wow!!!

The court bottled it because of its fear of upsetting the women's movement in the same way the US Court bottled it in OJ case, fearing the black community

Nobody will ever know the absolute truth of what went on in that hotel room, but two people said nothing untoward happened and one said she couldn't remember

In this country we are supposed to have proof before sentencing otherwise the verdict has to be innocent

 

[nopigfansintown]

My view isn't a footballing opinion on his ability though it's fair to say he did nothing for two years and then had one very good season at League One level.
My view isn't that Evans or anyone else shouldn't have the ability to go back to work after they've been in prison or done what he did.
My view is that by coming back here United play to the gallery that always thought he did nothing wrong and also that we do run the danger of everything becoming focussed on someone who had absolutely nothing to do with last season and the rebirth of the club.

"The gallery that always thought he did nothing wrong" were fully vindicated in the end. Vindicated In a legal sense at least. Nobody has the right to be a moral arbiter, so individual fan's opinions on Evans' moral conduct is worthless. I also don't see the type of focus on Evans you elude to. I'd forgotten all about him until last night.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I'm delighted for him.
Being convicted of rape, serving time and losing a career that was looking like it could take him anywhere must have been difficult enough
Being found not guilty, although very good news for him can never bring back what he has lost, and what we have lost.

He needs game time desperately, but how much can we gamble with him ?

I think we need to handle him with kid gloves for a bit. I think Chessy kept rushing him back because they were desperate and it only exacerbated his problems. I’d like to see him on the bench for the next few games getting 20 minutes here and there. Maybe playing 60-70 minutes of an U23 match or 2 to build his fitness further. Hopefully, by the time we venture into deepest darkest South Barnsley, he will be fully up and running and a genuine option to start (but only if he’s looking better than Billy/Leon).

 

[snootyfenooty]

Perhaps Foxy could provide a "Misguided Holier Than Thou" section?

The rest of the forum would become redundant if we did that.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Some of us remain of the view Evans shouldn't be playing in a United shirt and that won't change whether he scores 35 or 5 goals this season.
Hopefully we aren't about to become defined by a player instead of the team we once again became last season.

You are of course fully entitled to that opinion.

If you do actually GO to see United play what will you do if Evans scores a goal? Which he ultimately will.

UTB

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I wonder if Pedro felt so strongly about Marlon King who sexually molested girls in public and smashed their face in when they complained?

I know which I think was worse.

If you deny a man the right to rebuild his life after having it ruined by the Courts of Justice, what kind of person are you?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

My view isn't a footballing opinion on his ability though it's fair to say he did nothing for two years and then had one very good season at League One level.
My view isn't that Evans or anyone else shouldn't have the ability to go back to work after they've been in prison or done what he did.
My view is that by coming back here United play to the gallery that always thought he did nothing wrong and also that we do run the danger of everything becoming focussed on someone who had absolutely nothing to do with last season and the rebirth of the club.

I wonder if Pedro felt so strongly about Marlon King who sexually molested girls in public and smashed their face in when they complained?

I know which I think was worse.

If you deny a man the right to rebuild his life after having it ruined by the Courts of Justice, what kind of person are you?

Somebody who does not support Sheffield United for starters,he only ever comments about Ched Evans,never about anything else United related

 

[Sheffsteel]

Somebody who does not support Sheffield United for starters,he only ever comments about Ched Evans,never about anything else United related

Just checked the post history and he seems pretty obsessed with Ched.

It's all very similiar to the vitriol aimed at Justine Gatlin.
Gatlin is the poster boy for everything evil within Athletics, other drug cheats just slip under the radar.
Ched WAS made the poster boy for everything evil within football. He became the devil incarnate.
Any negativity, frustration or anger it became very easy to take a punch at the human punchbag Ched Evans.

He was found not guilty...this changes everything.
Put the pitch forks away and let him live his life in peace.

 

[BigBed]

Some of us remain of the view Evans shouldn't be playing in a United shirt and that won't change whether he scores 35 or 5 goals this season.
Hopefully we aren't about to become defined by a player instead of the team we once again became last season.

Why???

 

[BigBed]

My view isn't a footballing opinion on his ability though it's fair to say he did nothing for two years and then had one very good season at League One level.
My view isn't that Evans or anyone else shouldn't have the ability to go back to work after they've been in prison or done what he did.
My view is that by coming back here United play to the gallery that always thought he did nothing wrong and also that we do run the danger of everything becoming focussed on someone who had absolutely nothing to do with last season and the rebirth of the club.

He did nothing wrong other than cheat on his missus, proven fact.

 

[BigBed]

He was eventually found not guilty which isn't the same as he did nothing wrong.
The reality is we had a good number of supporters who thought he did nothing wrong regardless of the courts and still do.
The issue with him coming back here is that it plays to those people.

He plays FOR those people and those people are blades, like WE ALL ARE!!! Allegedly!!

 

[BigBed]

WE LOVE YOU CHEDWYN!

 

[adebo]

As has been said before he is a good player and he changed the game on Tuesday regardless of the opposition. But there is a massive difference between a good player and a good man! I am coming round to the fact he plays for us. In my red and white shirt so I support him and the team. I don't think I'm the only one who finds it difficult to like the situation, but I also feel 2years in jail for his actions is punishment enough! But still I honestly feel conflicted I have a teenage son and my attitude if he was to follow this example would be very different to my view of how I would react if either of my daughter's had been involved in this incident. Ched is a blade, so has my support, but yes I'm conflicted! But he has quality no doubt!

 

[bornablade]

As has been said before he is a good player and he changed the game on Tuesday regardless of the opposition. But there is a massive difference between a good player and a good man! I am coming round to the fact he plays for us. In my red and white shirt so I support him and the team. I don't think I'm the only one who finds it difficult to like the situation, but I also feel 2years in jail for his actions is punishment enough! But still I honestly feel conflicted I have a teenage son and my attitude if he was to follow this example would be very different to my view of how I would react if either of my daughter's had been involved in this incident. Ched is a blade, so has my support, but yes I'm conflicted! But he has quality no doubt!

'...I also feel 2 years for his actions is punishment enough'.

2 years for cheating on his girlfriend !!!!

Prisons are overcrowded enough.