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Lower Drop Blade said:
Ex Pig.....Tick
Ex Leeds.....Tick
Ex Dingle...Tick
Cack in most managerial jobs....Tick
Cheap.... Double tick

No brainer to me
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I think the cheap option brigade have got it wrong if Heckingbottom gets it he will be the best candidate to take us forward.
The prince has a lot of money riding on where we go from here just taking the cheap option will get us no where fast..
Shall we just wait and see. !!
 

finlaytheblade said:
I think the cheap option brigade have got it wrong if Heckingbottom gets it he will be the best candidate to take us forward.
The prince has a lot of money riding on where we go from here just taking the cheap option will get us no where fast..
Shall we just wait and see. !!
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"Best candidate" fuck me the bog cleaner is on the shortlist after all
 
Farnboroughblade said:
This will be Prince A's biggest ever test. If Bettis has been responsible to shortlist the list of 5, I wonder if the names of Jokonavic, Blessin or Howe would even be included. If they are and Hecky and Tindall are being pushed to the preferred option then the Prince, who I have regarded as being quite switched on with his football knowledge, will need to demonstrate his power in having the final say without being persuaded by others around him. If PA is hell bent on getting us promoted next season then he has to go with HIS preferred option and no one else's no matter at what cost. At this point in time, I'm putting all my trust in him.
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Had a similar convo yesterday with me mate, PA keeps things close to his chest, and I do think it's time we took foreign management and more foreign players, a mix if you like, not unlike Chelsea did..

Is it a myth that we don't sign foreign players though..???
 
finlaytheblade said:
I think the cheap option brigade have got it wrong if Heckingbottom gets it he will be the best candidate to take us forward.
The prince has a lot of money riding on where we go from here just taking the cheap option will get us no where fast..
Shall we just wait and see. !!
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The only way I see Heckingbottom being the best candidate are if the other 4 left on the list are Sunday League Managers

Sorry, all about opinions I know, but if Hecky is seriously being considered then we are fishing in the wrong pond and it sends a few clear messages out to the fans that the board of Directors either don't have the funds to get the "best" man for the job, or that perhaps they do have the funds, but are utterly clueless in their search for the right man, or perhaps in the boards defence, that the original list of 25 candidates, were 24 Sunday League Managers and Hecky is indeed the best candidate.

I just find it odd, that the short list doesn't include Jokanavic. Is it that having spoken to the board he decided we aren't the right club for him? Is it that his salary has put the board off? Is it that he was never on the list?

All of those scenarios leave question marks regards whether the club are indeed serious about getting out of the Championship, or whether this is the beginning of the 10 year cycle of the clubs demise. If they think they can pluck another Wilder out of the lower leagues for a second time, I think they might be disappointed.

I'm here to be proved completely wrong, but I've been around long enough to know this next decision is absolutely critical. Don't fk it up PA
 
Blade58 said:
The only way I see Heckingbottom being the best candidate are if the other 4 left on the list are Sunday League Managers

Sorry, all about opinions I know, but if Hecky is seriously being considered then we are fishing in the wrong pond and it sends a few clear messages out to the fans that the board of Directors either don't have the funds to get the "best" man for the job, or that perhaps they do have the funds, but are utterly clueless in their search for the right man, or perhaps in the boards defence, that the original list of 25 candidates, were 24 Sunday League Managers and Hecky is indeed the best candidate.

I just find it odd, that the short list doesn't include Jokanavic. Is it that having spoken to the board he decided we aren't the right club for him? Is it that his salary has put the board off? Is it that he was never on the list?

All of those scenarios leave question marks regards whether the club are indeed serious about getting out of the Championship, or whether this is the beginning of the 10 year cycle of the clubs demise. If they think they can pluck another Wilder out of the lower leagues for a second time, I think they might be disappointed.

I'm here to be proved completely wrong, but I've been around long enough to know this next decision is absolutely critical. Don't fk it up PA
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I dont think Heckingbottom will get the job ! If he does we as fans have to get behind him not against him.
He impresses with his knowledge and attitude in press conferences obviously that's not the important thing .
As I said the prince has to get it right he knows of our history : getting lost for years in mediocrity:. The cheap option will return us to that again.
 
finlaytheblade said:
I dont think Heckingbottom will get the job ! If he does we as fans have to get behind him not against him.
He impresses with his knowledge and attitude in press conferences obviously that's not the important thing .
As I said the prince has to get it right he knows of our history : getting lost for years in mediocrity:. The cheap option will return us to that again.
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Wasn't Wilder a cheap option ?
 
CarlMcBlade said:
All this pussyfooting around, is ultimately going to end in underwhelming disappointment...You can see it coming a mile off.
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You mean fans will pissed off if the board dont employ their choice of manager no matter how unrealistic it is ?
 
Blade58 said:
The only way I see Heckingbottom being the best candidate are if the other 4 left on the list are Sunday League Managers

Sorry, all about opinions I know, but if Hecky is seriously being considered then we are fishing in the wrong pond and it sends a few clear messages out to the fans that the board of Directors either don't have the funds to get the "best" man for the job, or that perhaps they do have the funds, but are utterly clueless in their search for the right man, or perhaps in the boards defence, that the original list of 25 candidates, were 24 Sunday League Managers and Hecky is indeed the best candidate.

I just find it odd, that the short list doesn't include Jokanavic. Is it that having spoken to the board he decided we aren't the right club for him? Is it that his salary has put the board off? Is it that he was never on the list?

All of those scenarios leave question marks regards whether the club are indeed serious about getting out of the Championship, or whether this is the beginning of the 10 year cycle of the clubs demise. If they think they can pluck another Wilder out of the lower leagues for a second time, I think they might be disappointed.

I'm here to be proved completely wrong, but I've been around long enough to know this next decision is absolutely critical. Don't fk it up PA
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I think you are right. We will have considered SJ but there is an issue ( money ? He has another club lined up ?)
 
Since Bassett we've had 5 interim/ acting / temporary managers. Russell Slade, Steve Thompson, Russell Slade, John Carver, Chris Morgan, Chris Morgan and Paul Heckingbottom.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to say with certainty on all those names but l do recall Carver, Morgan and now Hecky being given the courtesy of being in the conversation regarding the Managers job. If memory serves, Morgan even having a formal interview.

None of them got the job. Relax. We lost Wilder and that's shit but that doesn't automatically mean it's a race to the bottom. The levels of pessimism are staggering, even for Blades.
 

Millhousesblade1889 said:
We wasted the best chance of an immediate return last time by appointing Robson. We need to get this right straight away. No testing someone because they won one game and the players like him
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The thing is there has been no material difference between when CW was in charge to when Hecky took over. We are playing the same way with the same players and showing the same weaknesses and getting the same success rate. It even took about 6 games before he realised Lunny is a liability not an asset. Perhaps if Hecky had tried something different, showed some different traits to convince fans he has something different to offer, then he may get more support
 
There's two theories with Jokanovic for me.

He's either never been on the shortlist to begin with and his name was just being thrown around by his agent/press.

Or he's been talked to, he's told the board he'll need £20-30m to realistically challenge next season on top of being the best paid manager in the championship and the board have crossed his name off before he'd even hung the phone up.

My guess would be the latter
 
Blade58 said:
The only way I see Heckingbottom being the best candidate are if the other 4 left on the list are Sunday League Managers

Sorry, all about opinions I know, but if Hecky is seriously being considered then we are fishing in the wrong pond and it sends a few clear messages out to the fans that the board of Directors either don't have the funds to get the "best" man for the job, or that perhaps they do have the funds, but are utterly clueless in their search for the right man, or perhaps in the boards defence, that the original list of 25 candidates, were 24 Sunday League Managers and Hecky is indeed the best candidate.

I just find it odd, that the short list doesn't include Jokanavic. Is it that having spoken to the board he decided we aren't the right club for him? Is it that his salary has put the board off? Is it that he was never on the list?

All of those scenarios leave question marks regards whether the club are indeed serious about getting out of the Championship, or whether this is the beginning of the 10 year cycle of the clubs demise. If they think they can pluck another Wilder out of the lower leagues for a second time, I think they might be disappointed.

I'm here to be proved completely wrong, but I've been around long enough to know this next decision is absolutely critical. Don't fk it up PA
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The short list should only contain those who are realistically available, so will not include any who may have been approached and indicated no interest.
Similarly when it comes to making an offer then none on the short list may accept. Just look at Spurs
 
Blade58 said:
The thing is there has been no material difference between when CW was in charge to when Hecky took over. We are playing the same way with the same players and showing the same weaknesses and getting the same success rate. It even took about 6 games before he realised Lunny is a liability not an asset. Perhaps if Hecky had tried something different, showed some different traits to convince fans he has something different to offer, then he may get more support
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The last match showed a different set up and a different approach ! He can do little about the players available without risking the careers of youngsters.
 
I'm not bothered who the board appoint as our next manager.

Every job in football is unique and so many outside factors influence events that a previous record of success is absolutely no indicator of future performance.

The most important factor is that the manager has a good working relationship with the board and that all levels of staff associated with the club are rowing in the same direction.

In these circumstances it's possible for anyone to succeed, as did Wilder in his early days, but once key employees start trying to row against the tide like Wilder in his latter days, then failure is inevitable.

The owners of the club set the course, as they are quite entitled to do, and it's up to the managers and coaches to get everyone pulling in the same direction and if they can do that then success is more likely than failure.

Players and managers come and go but the structure and direction should be for the long term so the board need someone with a long term vision most aligned with theirs, and that could be anyone, including Heckingbottom.

At the moment he has a very limited pool of players to choose from so it simply not right to judge him by recent results with Wilder's "broken" team.

Whoever is appointed will have my best wishes and full support.

The Prince is no mug, he needs this to work more than any of us, and I'm sure that he will do whatever he believes to be in the long term interests of all party's.
 
Mouth of the South said:
Would you really want last season's Wilder back? Awful recruitment, demands full control of transfers, inability / unwillingness to change starting formation, inability to address glaring areas of weakness etc. etc.

Unfortunately, after four unbelievable years, he looked like a man that had run out of ideas, as well as energy to me. I hope the break does him good as he performs at his next club whoever that may be but it certainly won't be Utd.
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In years to come people will realise the cards we stacked against him and the prince manoeuvred him out. Not actively I don't think but with his actions or sometimes lack of.

People talk about awful recruitment but last season we signed ramsdale, Brewster, Bogle, Burke and Lowe.
Of those it's fair to say now that Ramsdale and Bogle are good recruits. And Brewster still has the potential. Lowe need to see more of.

But essentially as the season went on, struggle for form, and as discussions did/didn't happen at boardroom level etc. It effected his mental health, look at the figure cut towards the end of his time compared to even last September. Looked a different man.
 
Blade58 said:
The thing is there has been no material difference between when CW was in charge to when Hecky took over. We are playing the same way with the same players and showing the same weaknesses and getting the same success rate. It even took about 6 games before he realised Lunny is a liability not an asset. Perhaps if Hecky had tried something different, showed some different traits to convince fans he has something different to offer, then he may get more support
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What's he supposed to do different with the same small pool of players in a completely unbalanced squad?
 
Hecky's on the list so we can announce someone who's cheap and crap,but a slight upgrade on Hecky.
That way we'll all feel relieved .......
 

Snowflake said:
The short list should only contain those who are realistically available, so will not include any who may have been approached and indicated no interest.
Similarly when it comes to making an offer then none on the short list may accept. Just look at Spurs
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Fair points, but didn't Jokanavic say he was interested? The Star: "Slavisa Jokanovic has indicated he would be interested in taking charge of Sheffield United if the Premier League club’s board of directors approach him about the managerial vacancy at Bramall Lane."

Assuming he was, then I assume he probably wanted too much money. The £4m salary banded about may be close to the truth, but if that is frightening off the board, then I have concerns about the seriousness of the task ahead for the club.

High salaries don't get you promotion. The quality of the Manager appointed may do though and I suppose there is a correlation between the quality of Manager and salary
 
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