New stadium at the Lane?

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Fulwood Blade said:
Indeed it was - I am sure there were 40,000 of those on the bloody kop that night !

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Yeh , I counted 'em all .......being a 14 yr old who'd just got specs for myopia , who was sitting with his Dad in Row O Seat 82 of the BLS.
Them were t'days , "You can do Magic" & "Rose Garden" on the tannoy , getting secretly high on pipe smoke & Bovril fumes.
 

Sheffsteel said:
I'm sure I remember the plans said that the design to build at the back of the Kop meant that much of the Kop could still be used during all the preparatory work. So only the back of the Kop would need closing off and we wouldn't lose that much capacity (maybe 3K).

All the major work, replacing the pillars and the roof would be done during the Summer.

Of course if we built a totally new stand then the capacity would be massively reduced for a full season.
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That's the problem with those designs right there; existing Kop essentially remains and all we do is stick an extension on the back and a new roof, brilliant!
 
metalblade said:
The kop really is crap if you sit anywhere further back than row z you will only see the six yard line not a chance of seeing the goal line it really does need bulldozing and starting again from scratch, anything else is just making future problems. Making the rake steeper will increase the height but at the same it will not move the structure closer to the houses on Shoreham street by much if at all. As others say it is a waste of space the kop sitting on a muck heap we should be using that space for club shops and offices rather than sticking them in the kop/south stand corner which should be used for more seats, it is after all a football stadium not a office cum retail park cum student accommodation complex. It will cost more but most of us know that any offices, student flats, shops or hotels will not put a penny into the team they will more than likely be sold off.
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If you go on Row Z or above you should be stood-up and singing like me !
 
Sean Thornton said:
Catering rights are sold on. The licensing fee would increase but I doubt anyone would make a bid on us based on 40k gates initially.
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I never said anything about 40,000 gates ...........just that I can never get a drink at half-time , like 7,000 others on the Kop !
 
Sheffsteel said:
Cant see SU ever rebuilding the Kop from scratch, makes no business sense.

Why would anyone invest so much in a stadium upgrade with such a small return which could take decades to recoup the costs. It's not a vanity project, any stadium upgrade must have a business plan.

The present plans was a low cost project that DOES the most essential upgrades and that is removal of the pillars freeing up 100's of restricted view seats and making bigger concourse areas under cover in shelter away from the elements.

If facilities were improved then should SU increase prices to match the South stand?
I say keep it the cheapest part of the ground with inferior but better facilities and give people choice.

Even with the bolt on design there would still be loads of space in the concourse area for better toilets and food bars, etc because of all the building space at the back of the Kop.

Also if anyone isn't happy with the Kop space then wouldn't you just move to another part the ground with more space. It was standing for decades, surely that was more uncomfortable than now.
Although when I've been on the Kop in some areas it's almost compulsory standing anyway.
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Never mind shops and offices under the Kop, a casino is what we need, the ultimate in ROI. The stand will be in profit within twelve months. Problem solved.
 
Dkc said:
Been saying that for years. It's a massive missed opportunity. Why does the club think that so many fans on the kop turn up to the game late? It's because you can't get any food or drink in the ground without queuing for half an hour.

Let's turn the waste ground by the kop into a massive Munich-style beer hall and open the doors at 11.30am. Double revenue on match day, that would.
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This is the best idea yet - have you got any capital laying about DKC ?
We could be the best stadium in the world for pre-match drinking.
Maybe we could throw up a replica of the Old Pavilion (what was that bar called that Harold Rumsey put in there in the early 70s ?).
Tony Currie could be drinking and blowing kisses in a replica of the Penny Black.
 
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penthouseblade said:
Never mind shops and offices under the Kop, a casino is what we need, the ultimate in ROI. The stand will be in profit within twelve months. Problem solved.
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Not if Strappy gambles there. Be bankrupt in a week!


Only joking Mike! (Even though you won't see it)

:)
 
Keen Blade said:
If you go on Row Z or above you should be stood-up and singing like me !
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Still wouldn't see the goal line stood up though, especially if you were over to the side where the kop has sunk a few inches.
 
Sheffsteel said:
I'm sure I remember the plans said that the design to build at the back of the Kop meant that much of the Kop could still be used during all the preparatory work. So only the back of the Kop would need closing off and we wouldn't lose that much capacity (maybe 3K).

All the major work, replacing the pillars and the roof would be done during the Summer.

Of course if we built a totally new stand then the capacity would be massively reduced for a full season.
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Spend it all on players.
 
Tyler Durden said:
I'm not 100% sure but I think that the local authorities have some degree of power when it comes to implementing it. You can bet that Sheffield Council will dig their heels in hard and use Hillsborough as an excuse not to allow it. Plus the club themselves have to be inclined to make it happen and there's no evidence yet that they are.

I just believe that the arguments in favour of standing are stronger than ever and common sense dictates that it's the right way to go. We've seen the start of that already with Celtic Park putting a terraced section in one of their stands.
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We know the lessons from Hillsborough now but the scars from then are obviously too painful for some to consider safe standing, but safe standing is as safe as it gets and also safer than people standing in seated areas.
 
Booker4 said:
We know the lessons from Hillsborough now but the scars from then are obviously too painful for some to consider safe standing, but safe standing is as safe as it gets and also safer than people standing in seated areas.
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The thing is there is a misconception that safe standing will increase the amount of people that you can get in the ground it wont the seats and fittings are still there they are just not in use.
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metalblade said:
The thing is there is a misconception that safe standing will increase the amount of people that you can get in the ground it wont the seats and fittings are still there they are just not in use.
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I think in Germany they do allow an increase in capacity with a 1 to 1.6 increase.

However all the talk in England is to initially use a 1 to 1 ratio with no increase over a normal seats.

They use a 1 to 1 ratio up at Celtic and will be a few years before clubs are brace enough to ask for an increase in capacity. Also I heard it costs £1000 per seat to buy a safe standing seats so it's expensive to implement.

Regards safe standing I think the only reasonable possibility is maybe converting the Kop corner and have 1.5K standing.
 

Sheffsteel said:
I think in Germany they do allow an increase in capacity with a 1 to 1.6 increase.

However all the talk in England is to initially use a 1 to 1 ratio with no increase over a normal seats.

They use a 1 to 1 ratio up at Celtic and will be a few years before clubs are brace enough to ask for an increase in capacity. Also I heard it costs £1000 per seat to buy a safe standing seats so it's expensive to implement.
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Yes the cost is the reason it won't happen unless part of a total rebuild.
 
metalblade said:
The thing is there is a misconception that safe standing will increase the amount of people that you can get in the ground it wont the seats and fittings are still there they are just not in use.
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Very true mate, but it would mean people would stand (if the seat safe standing was designated as a standing area for the game). I just think safe standing would create a better atmosphere and cheaper tickets too. I'd rather pay for a standing price than a seating one and stand anyway!
 
Booker4 said:
Very true mate, but it would mean people would stand (if the seat safe standing was designated as a standing area for the game). I just think safe standing would create a better atmosphere and cheaper tickets too. I'd rather pay for a standing price than a seating one and stand anyway!
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Standing without a doubt would make for a better atmosphere, I don't see why you would think standing would be cheaper trust me it won't be not unless we were allowed to put more people into the same amount of space.
 
metalblade said:
Standing without a doubt would make for a better atmosphere, I don't see why you would think standing would be cheaper trust me it won't be not unless we were allowed to put more people into the same amount of space.
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I would hope that McCabe and co would realise that standing isn't as comfortable as seating but you could be right, its still the same number of people. Until the Premier League/clubs and or government steps in to determine a fair price for ticket fees then we're stuck with high prices, even though the Premier League latest TV deals are ridiculous. Of course the football league TV deal is small in comparison and ticket revenue is more important.
 
metalblade said:
Standing without a doubt would make for a better atmosphere, I don't see why you would think standing would be cheaper trust me it won't be not unless we were allowed to put more people into the same amount of space.
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^^^^^ This

Implementing safe standing obviously has a financial cost but cheaper tickets for it makes no financial sense at all unless crowds increase fairly significantly. And the increase is permanent. If crowd numbers remain much the same , or rise just enough to finance the initial outlay, people transferring from more expensive seats to cheaper standing costs the club money. Even Uniteds finance department could see that.
 
Remember significant stadium imorovememts are rarely a vanity project.

There must be a really strong business case proving that costs is x amount but then gauranteed income over x amount of years will show the number of years it will take to recoup that investment.

Most clubs that build new stands make sure there's plenty of executive boxes, prawn sandwich banqueting facilities as that is the BIG money earner.

Imagine the current proposal: option A (figures not accurate, just given as an example)
We could expand the Kop on the cheap for £8 million increasing capacity of that stand by 3,000
Which if we get in the PL should bring in an extra £60,000 per match gate receipts x 19 matches = 1.1 million per season. So would take 7 years to get our money back (as long as we can stay in the PL for 7 years) then ongoing its profit.

Or we could choose option B
We could clear the lot and build a brand new Kop costing £16 million increasing capacity by only 2,000 (due to a steeper rake it can't be as big). If we get in the PL it should bring in extra £40K per match x 19 = £760 per season. So that mean using this option is would take 21 years to recoup the investment (as long as we can stay in the PL for 21 seasons).

Option C, which most clubs use
Is to make the Kop 2 tier, put a full suite of executive boxes charging Sky high prices in the middle.
The is might cost £20million to build and match day income could potentially triple.
However I'm not sure that there are loads of businesses in South Yorkshire will to spend £1000's on corporate entertainment and we already have corporate facilities in the John Streer so I doubt there'd be massive demand.

Personally I'd want us to choose option B and do a proper Kop but there's no way any sane businessman would do it for a high costs with so little additional income.

Unless anyone knows different surely we'd choose option A and do it on the cheap
But putting in 3000 extra seats, removing the pillars and covering up all the concourse areas, making then bigger with much bigger and improved toilet facilities, food and drink bars WOULD be a massive improvement on what's there now. Also due to the smaller leg room the club could justify keeping matchday prices lower and less than the South stand.
 
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Cyprus Blade said:
A waiting list for season tickets may have informed their decision. I had a mate who told me it was 3 years long before the move to the Emirates.
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yes
but why was there a waiting list for the new stadium when there wasnt one before for highbury

build it and they will come
 
Deano's Shorts said:
^ Now that would be the finishing touch. An Kop expanded back, flanked with two corners.
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Doing exactly as shown in that pic would reduce the capacity on the Kop.
The current Kop goes well pass the corner flag, almost behind the South stand.
So SU are not going to pay out a few milllion to have a reduction in income.
 

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